17:01:11 <dustymabe> #startmeeting Fedora Cloud WG
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17:01:17 <dustymabe> #topic rollcall
17:01:26 <dustymabe> .hellomynameis dustymabe
17:01:28 <zodbot> dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' <dustymabe@redhat.com>
17:01:31 <scollier> .hello scollier
17:01:32 <zodbot> scollier: scollier 'Scott Collier' <emailscottcollier@gmail.com>
17:01:47 <maxamillion> .hello maxamillion
17:01:48 <zodbot> maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' <maxamillion@gmail.com>
17:01:49 <jzb> .hellomynameis jzb
17:01:50 <zodbot> jzb: jzb 'Joe Brockmeier' <jzb@redhat.com>
17:02:07 <trishnag> .hello trishnag
17:02:08 <zodbot> trishnag: trishnag 'Trishna Guha' <trishnaguha17@gmail.com>
17:02:27 <dustymabe> glad to see everyone here!
17:02:34 <scollier> Hi dustymabe
17:02:39 <jberkus> .hello jberkus
17:02:39 <trishnag> Hi dustymabe :)
17:02:39 <zodbot> jberkus: jberkus 'Josh Berkus' <josh@agliodbs.com>
17:03:16 <dustymabe> ok so I don't know if we need to go over every ticket today - do we want to go through all of the tickets or just specific ones:
17:03:20 <dustymabe> https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/report/9
17:03:27 <coremodule> .hello coremodule
17:03:31 <zodbot> coremodule: coremodule 'Geoffrey Marr' <gmarr@redhat.com>
17:03:42 <dustymabe> coremodule: hiya
17:03:49 <coremodule> Hey!
17:04:12 <dustymabe> #chair scollier maxamillion jzb trishnag jberkus rtnpro_ coremodule
17:04:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: coremodule dustymabe jberkus jzb maxamillion rtnpro_ scollier trishnag
17:04:25 <jberkus> where's the mojo page where we're scheduling the folks who run this meeting?
17:04:34 <dustymabe> jberkus: mojo page??
17:04:40 <dustymabe> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud
17:04:44 <dustymabe> more like public wiki
17:04:54 <jberkus> right, wiki Imean
17:05:34 <dustymabe> I just added in dates for the rest of july
17:05:39 <dustymabe> we should probably add august
17:05:43 <dustymabe> and have people sign up!
17:05:55 <dustymabe> so please go grab a date if you don't have one already
17:06:07 <jberkus> yeah, just added myself for next week
17:06:11 <dustymabe> cool
17:06:22 <jberkus> lemme add august dates
17:06:35 <jzb> let's go ahead and assume no meeting during the week of Flock?
17:06:39 <dustymabe> ok I'm going to pick/choose topics for now and then we can go over any that are left if anybody has any items that they want to discuss
17:06:46 <jzb> so the 3rd I think
17:06:49 <dustymabe> jzb: yes, that is safe to say
17:07:07 <dustymabe> ok let's get down to business
17:07:16 <jberkus> what about the 10th?
17:07:16 <dustymabe> #topic Fedora 24 Atomic Release
17:07:23 <jzb> I expect then yes
17:07:34 <dustymabe> I think this is the biggest item to discuss
17:07:42 <dustymabe> where do we stand on this?
17:08:01 <jbrooks> .hello jasonbrooks
17:08:03 <zodbot> jbrooks: jasonbrooks 'Jason Brooks' <JBROOKS@REDHAT.COM>
17:08:11 <dustymabe> #chair jbrooks
17:08:11 <zodbot> Current chairs: coremodule dustymabe jberkus jbrooks jzb maxamillion rtnpro_ scollier trishnag
17:08:16 <jzb> jbrooks: why is your email so shouty?
17:08:17 <jzb> :-)
17:08:28 <jbrooks> Blame fas
17:08:45 <dustymabe> maxamillion: do you have any input on $topic?
17:08:51 <maxamillion> just a sec
17:08:53 <maxamillion> on a call
17:08:56 <dustymabe> maxamillion: cool
17:10:54 <dustymabe> maxamillion: let us know when you are back and we'll pick up that discussion
17:11:36 <dustymabe> should I run through the tickets?
17:11:50 <dustymabe> Let's start with this one:
17:12:10 <dustymabe> #topic design, deploy and document Fedora OpenShift Playground (FOSP) https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/153
17:12:13 <dustymabe> https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/153
17:12:25 <dustymabe> jzb: anything on this?
17:12:41 <scollier> dustymabe, jberkus is owner?
17:12:50 <dustymabe> scollier: indeed, you are right
17:12:55 <jberkus> yeah, I need to get handoff from jzb this week
17:12:57 <jzb> dustymabe: I got nothin'
17:13:16 <jzb> dustymabe: I did ask about getting us into the big CNCF thing that's spinning up
17:13:22 <jzb> but got kind of handwavy answer back
17:13:23 <scollier> jberkus, puiterwijk was working on this.
17:13:43 <scollier> jberkus, from the Fedora infra side.
17:13:51 <dustymabe> jzb: handwavy from the community or from a company?
17:14:11 <jzb> dustymabe: neither. Folks organizing it. Basically got a redirect.
17:14:30 <jberkus> jzb: hand me contact info and I'll follow up
17:14:40 <jberkus> jzb: there's politics on the CNCF side
17:15:00 <jzb> jberkus: yeah, will do
17:15:34 <dustymabe> ok cherry picking another ticket
17:15:49 <dustymabe> #topic Need owner to define basic container smoke testing requirements https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/151
17:15:53 <dustymabe> https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/151
17:16:26 <dustymabe> anything on this front?
17:16:39 <dustymabe> kushal is out but tflink may be around
17:17:06 <maxamillion> alright, sorry about that
17:17:11 <maxamillion> what's the current topic?
17:17:16 <maxamillion> oh, nvm
17:17:16 <dustymabe> maxamillion: one sec
17:17:24 <maxamillion> yeah, I own that
17:17:35 <maxamillion> because nobody else was willing to ... but again, it's on the TODO list
17:17:40 <dustymabe> maxamillion: no worries
17:17:53 <dustymabe> i'll switch back to the important topic now
17:18:15 <dustymabe> #topic Fedora 24 Atomic Release
17:18:24 <dustymabe> maxamillion: gogogogog
17:18:26 <dustymabe> :)
17:19:05 <maxamillion> I have every intention to get a release out today ... I wanted to yetserday but I'm knee deep in really ugly code that my previous self wrote and I don't like that guy, he writes bad code
17:19:31 <dustymabe> maxamillion: haha so that is what the tweet was about
17:19:40 <maxamillion> it's kind of a crap shoot too because I'm munging and manipulating data between fedmsg input and fedmsg output to try and maintain sanity at the endpoints
17:19:43 <maxamillion> dustymabe: yuuuup
17:19:59 <maxamillion> dustymabe: I gave up at like midnight because I had a 7am meeting today
17:20:12 <dustymabe> maxamillion: np
17:20:16 <jzb> why should the endpoints have sanity when none of the rest of us get any?
17:20:25 <dustymabe> but we think we can have something today?
17:21:23 <maxamillion> jzb: because someone has to keep the ship from going ashore? ... I dunno
17:21:49 <jberkus> anyone know what happened with the fedora cloud page?
17:21:57 <maxamillion> I'm just trying to keep my head above water and I'm constantly failing you all and for that I am sorry ... but I'll own my failures and try to do better next time
17:22:00 <maxamillion> jberkus: no idea what happened there
17:22:05 <jberkus> atomic was supposed to revert to f23, but instead vanished entirely
17:22:22 <maxamillion> jberkus: I reported the download links were wrong while we were at Summit and apparently the page just got taken down
17:22:24 <dustymabe> maxamillion: you aren't failing anyone
17:22:32 <dustymabe> you are carrying all of the weight
17:22:37 <maxamillion> dustymabe: it sure feels like I am
17:22:40 <jberkus> I don't grok fedora web well enough to know where to ask, who does?
17:22:49 <dustymabe> maxamillion: suppress that feeling
17:22:55 <maxamillion> dustymabe: working on it
17:22:58 <dustymabe> or call me and I'll suprress it for you
17:23:04 <maxamillion> dustymabe: :)
17:23:06 <dustymabe> if I can learn how to spell
17:23:08 <jberkus> maxamillion: last I checked, you're not solely responsible for Fedora's build toolchain
17:23:49 <maxamillion> jberkus: for atomic I think I might be
17:23:52 <maxamillion> jberkus: kind of
17:23:55 <maxamillion> but anyways ...
17:24:14 <maxamillion> robyduck: threebean: ping - not to put you on the spot but do either of you know what happened to the Atomic page on the Cloud section of getfedora.org ?
17:24:53 <jberkus> maxamillion: there's a set of patches which *look* like they're supposed to revert it to f23
17:24:58 <dustymabe> maxamillion: so is it possible for us to do the two week release without the website piece?
17:24:59 <jberkus> but that's not what's actually on the website
17:25:37 <maxamillion> dustymabe: ehhhhh, I mean ... I can get the content up but there'd be nothing to really present it
17:26:09 <maxamillion> dustymabe: a giant lack of advertising
17:26:21 <maxamillion> dustymabe: I could post to the list the URL of where the content is
17:26:38 <scollier> what is down?  getfedora.org/en/cloud seems to be up
17:26:53 <dustymabe> maxamillion: yeah - I'm just looking for getting at least something out there
17:27:05 <dustymabe> until the web site is up we can point people to the release email
17:27:09 <jberkus> scollier: https://getfedora.org/en/cloud/download/  <-- find atomic on that page
17:27:17 <dustymabe> and we can go ahead and release the vagrant images in Atlas
17:27:32 <scollier> jberkus, i can't it's not there :/  got it.
17:27:33 <maxamillion> dustymabe: +1
17:28:03 <maxamillion> there's a #fedora-websites channel on freenode ... probably not a bad place to follow up
17:28:30 <scollier> jberkus, if you look at the page source code, the lines for atomic are commented out.
17:28:49 <jbrooks> +1 to pubbing in atlas
17:28:55 * nirik looks in... can add some info.
17:29:18 <nirik> So, at release time, there was atomic links and an atomic page, but they pointed to a f24 atomic, which didn't exist.
17:29:37 <nirik> so websites folks changed that and were waiting for a f24 two week atomic
17:29:48 <nirik> https://getfedora.org/en/cloud/download/atomic.html has some notes on it
17:29:59 <jberkus> nirik: yah, but there's no way to navigate to that page
17:30:40 <nirik> I think they removed the links to it until there was a release... or perhaps that happened before the notes and should have been reverted.
17:31:17 <dustymabe> maxamillion: so maybe we do the 2WA release
17:31:17 <nirik> anyhow, #fedora-websites or a webites pagure ticket is the best way to get a hold of them.
17:31:18 <dustymabe> and
17:31:26 <dustymabe> and then let the websites people know to update it
17:31:31 <dustymabe> ?
17:31:39 <trishnag> dustymabe: the vagrant atomic images seem to fail for journald test. Just saw on autocloud.
17:31:52 <dustymabe> trishnag: yeah kushal told me
17:32:14 <dustymabe> even so we should get it out there
17:32:27 <dustymabe> thats not a big issue I don't think
17:32:48 <trishnag> dustymabe: ack
17:33:31 <dustymabe> ok so are we agreed?
17:33:42 <maxamillion> dustymabe: the 2WA release is all there is anymore
17:33:58 <nirik> if there's anything I can communicate to websites folks or the like, happy to do so...
17:33:59 <dustymabe> push out 2WA release email and then poke website team?
17:34:16 <maxamillion> dustymabe: as soon as I finish patching this mess I've made myself, I will do exactly that :)
17:34:32 <jberkus> keen
17:34:35 <dustymabe> maxamillion: great - let me know if you need anything from me
17:34:46 <maxamillion> dustymabe: will do, thanks ... I mostly just need to not be in meetings :)
17:34:59 <maxamillion> dustymabe: I have no meetings after this for the rest of the day so I have high hopes :)
17:35:01 * dustymabe sprinkles fairy dusty and sends maxamillion on his way
17:35:07 <dustymabe> shit
17:35:11 <dustymabe> *fairy dust*
17:35:25 <jbrooks> :)
17:35:27 <jberkus> dustymabe: no, I think you had it right
17:35:27 <jzb> LOL
17:35:30 <dustymabe> ok I'll open this up for open floor discussion
17:35:41 <jzb> dustymabe: can we discuss fairy dusty?
17:35:45 <jbrooks> +1
17:35:51 <dustymabe> bring up any information for tickets we did not discuss or any new items
17:35:55 <dustymabe> #topic open floor
17:36:00 <jbrooks> jzb, better open a ticket on that
17:36:01 <jberkus> so, Atomic CLI isn't up to date in Fedora AH
17:36:04 <maxamillion> dustymabe: :)
17:36:14 <jbrooks> jberkus, I think it's all karma'd up
17:36:22 <jbrooks> and pushed to stable
17:36:24 <jzb> dustymabe++
17:36:24 <zodbot> jzb: Karma for dustymabe changed to 1 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:36:30 <jberkus> fixing it this time is process, but how can we make sure that all the bits don't fall behind in the future?
17:36:47 <jbrooks> We need to all pay attn to our "atomic" package set
17:36:53 <jbrooks> And test and give karma
17:36:56 <jberkus> I feel like I've got no way to track that.  does anyone else?
17:37:00 <jzb> so
17:37:12 <jzb> some time ago infra created or started to create a pseudo user
17:37:18 <jzb> for the atomic packages so we could track those
17:37:35 <jzb> jberkus: can I dig those out and turn that over to you?
17:37:44 <jberkus> sure
17:37:54 <jzb> AIUI there is a way to have one pseudo user "watch" all relevant packages.
17:39:05 <jzb> #action jzb turn over pseudo user work to jberkus
17:40:03 <dustymabe> ok anything else for open floor?
17:40:59 <dustymabe> closing meeting in 5
17:41:11 <dustymabe> #endmeeting