17:01:11 #startmeeting Fedora Cloud WG 17:01:11 Meeting started Wed Jul 6 17:01:11 2016 UTC. The chair is dustymabe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:01:11 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:01:11 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_cloud_wg' 17:01:17 #topic rollcall 17:01:26 .hellomynameis dustymabe 17:01:28 dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' 17:01:31 .hello scollier 17:01:32 scollier: scollier 'Scott Collier' 17:01:47 .hello maxamillion 17:01:48 maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' 17:01:49 .hellomynameis jzb 17:01:50 jzb: jzb 'Joe Brockmeier' 17:02:07 .hello trishnag 17:02:08 trishnag: trishnag 'Trishna Guha' 17:02:27 glad to see everyone here! 17:02:34 Hi dustymabe 17:02:39 .hello jberkus 17:02:39 Hi dustymabe :) 17:02:39 jberkus: jberkus 'Josh Berkus' 17:03:16 ok so I don't know if we need to go over every ticket today - do we want to go through all of the tickets or just specific ones: 17:03:20 https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/report/9 17:03:27 .hello coremodule 17:03:31 coremodule: coremodule 'Geoffrey Marr' 17:03:42 coremodule: hiya 17:03:49 Hey! 17:04:12 #chair scollier maxamillion jzb trishnag jberkus rtnpro_ coremodule 17:04:12 Current chairs: coremodule dustymabe jberkus jzb maxamillion rtnpro_ scollier trishnag 17:04:25 where's the mojo page where we're scheduling the folks who run this meeting? 17:04:34 jberkus: mojo page?? 17:04:40 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud 17:04:44 more like public wiki 17:04:54 right, wiki Imean 17:05:34 I just added in dates for the rest of july 17:05:39 we should probably add august 17:05:43 and have people sign up! 17:05:55 so please go grab a date if you don't have one already 17:06:07 yeah, just added myself for next week 17:06:11 cool 17:06:22 lemme add august dates 17:06:35 let's go ahead and assume no meeting during the week of Flock? 17:06:39 ok I'm going to pick/choose topics for now and then we can go over any that are left if anybody has any items that they want to discuss 17:06:46 so the 3rd I think 17:06:49 jzb: yes, that is safe to say 17:07:07 ok let's get down to business 17:07:16 what about the 10th? 17:07:16 #topic Fedora 24 Atomic Release 17:07:23 I expect then yes 17:07:34 I think this is the biggest item to discuss 17:07:42 where do we stand on this? 17:08:01 .hello jasonbrooks 17:08:03 jbrooks: jasonbrooks 'Jason Brooks' 17:08:11 #chair jbrooks 17:08:11 Current chairs: coremodule dustymabe jberkus jbrooks jzb maxamillion rtnpro_ scollier trishnag 17:08:16 jbrooks: why is your email so shouty? 17:08:17 :-) 17:08:28 Blame fas 17:08:45 maxamillion: do you have any input on $topic? 17:08:51 just a sec 17:08:53 on a call 17:08:56 maxamillion: cool 17:10:54 maxamillion: let us know when you are back and we'll pick up that discussion 17:11:36 should I run through the tickets? 17:11:50 Let's start with this one: 17:12:10 #topic design, deploy and document Fedora OpenShift Playground (FOSP) https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/153 17:12:13 https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/153 17:12:25 jzb: anything on this? 17:12:41 dustymabe, jberkus is owner? 17:12:50 scollier: indeed, you are right 17:12:55 yeah, I need to get handoff from jzb this week 17:12:57 dustymabe: I got nothin' 17:13:16 dustymabe: I did ask about getting us into the big CNCF thing that's spinning up 17:13:22 but got kind of handwavy answer back 17:13:23 jberkus, puiterwijk was working on this. 17:13:43 jberkus, from the Fedora infra side. 17:13:51 jzb: handwavy from the community or from a company? 17:14:11 dustymabe: neither. Folks organizing it. Basically got a redirect. 17:14:30 jzb: hand me contact info and I'll follow up 17:14:40 jzb: there's politics on the CNCF side 17:15:00 jberkus: yeah, will do 17:15:34 ok cherry picking another ticket 17:15:49 #topic Need owner to define basic container smoke testing requirements https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/151 17:15:53 https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/151 17:16:26 anything on this front? 17:16:39 kushal is out but tflink may be around 17:17:06 alright, sorry about that 17:17:11 what's the current topic? 17:17:16 oh, nvm 17:17:16 maxamillion: one sec 17:17:24 yeah, I own that 17:17:35 because nobody else was willing to ... but again, it's on the TODO list 17:17:40 maxamillion: no worries 17:17:53 i'll switch back to the important topic now 17:18:15 #topic Fedora 24 Atomic Release 17:18:24 maxamillion: gogogogog 17:18:26 :) 17:19:05 I have every intention to get a release out today ... I wanted to yetserday but I'm knee deep in really ugly code that my previous self wrote and I don't like that guy, he writes bad code 17:19:31 maxamillion: haha so that is what the tweet was about 17:19:40 it's kind of a crap shoot too because I'm munging and manipulating data between fedmsg input and fedmsg output to try and maintain sanity at the endpoints 17:19:43 dustymabe: yuuuup 17:19:59 dustymabe: I gave up at like midnight because I had a 7am meeting today 17:20:12 maxamillion: np 17:20:16 why should the endpoints have sanity when none of the rest of us get any? 17:20:25 but we think we can have something today? 17:21:23 jzb: because someone has to keep the ship from going ashore? ... I dunno 17:21:49 anyone know what happened with the fedora cloud page? 17:21:57 I'm just trying to keep my head above water and I'm constantly failing you all and for that I am sorry ... but I'll own my failures and try to do better next time 17:22:00 jberkus: no idea what happened there 17:22:05 atomic was supposed to revert to f23, but instead vanished entirely 17:22:22 jberkus: I reported the download links were wrong while we were at Summit and apparently the page just got taken down 17:22:24 maxamillion: you aren't failing anyone 17:22:32 you are carrying all of the weight 17:22:37 dustymabe: it sure feels like I am 17:22:40 I don't grok fedora web well enough to know where to ask, who does? 17:22:49 maxamillion: suppress that feeling 17:22:55 dustymabe: working on it 17:22:58 or call me and I'll suprress it for you 17:23:04 dustymabe: :) 17:23:06 if I can learn how to spell 17:23:08 maxamillion: last I checked, you're not solely responsible for Fedora's build toolchain 17:23:49 jberkus: for atomic I think I might be 17:23:52 jberkus: kind of 17:23:55 but anyways ... 17:24:14 robyduck: threebean: ping - not to put you on the spot but do either of you know what happened to the Atomic page on the Cloud section of getfedora.org ? 17:24:53 maxamillion: there's a set of patches which *look* like they're supposed to revert it to f23 17:24:58 maxamillion: so is it possible for us to do the two week release without the website piece? 17:24:59 but that's not what's actually on the website 17:25:37 dustymabe: ehhhhh, I mean ... I can get the content up but there'd be nothing to really present it 17:26:09 dustymabe: a giant lack of advertising 17:26:21 dustymabe: I could post to the list the URL of where the content is 17:26:38 what is down? getfedora.org/en/cloud seems to be up 17:26:53 maxamillion: yeah - I'm just looking for getting at least something out there 17:27:05 until the web site is up we can point people to the release email 17:27:09 scollier: https://getfedora.org/en/cloud/download/ <-- find atomic on that page 17:27:17 and we can go ahead and release the vagrant images in Atlas 17:27:32 jberkus, i can't it's not there :/ got it. 17:27:33 dustymabe: +1 17:28:03 there's a #fedora-websites channel on freenode ... probably not a bad place to follow up 17:28:30 jberkus, if you look at the page source code, the lines for atomic are commented out. 17:28:49 +1 to pubbing in atlas 17:28:55 * nirik looks in... can add some info. 17:29:18 So, at release time, there was atomic links and an atomic page, but they pointed to a f24 atomic, which didn't exist. 17:29:37 so websites folks changed that and were waiting for a f24 two week atomic 17:29:48 https://getfedora.org/en/cloud/download/atomic.html has some notes on it 17:29:59 nirik: yah, but there's no way to navigate to that page 17:30:40 I think they removed the links to it until there was a release... or perhaps that happened before the notes and should have been reverted. 17:31:17 maxamillion: so maybe we do the 2WA release 17:31:17 anyhow, #fedora-websites or a webites pagure ticket is the best way to get a hold of them. 17:31:18 and 17:31:26 and then let the websites people know to update it 17:31:31 ? 17:31:39 dustymabe: the vagrant atomic images seem to fail for journald test. Just saw on autocloud. 17:31:52 trishnag: yeah kushal told me 17:32:14 even so we should get it out there 17:32:27 thats not a big issue I don't think 17:32:48 dustymabe: ack 17:33:31 ok so are we agreed? 17:33:42 dustymabe: the 2WA release is all there is anymore 17:33:58 if there's anything I can communicate to websites folks or the like, happy to do so... 17:33:59 push out 2WA release email and then poke website team? 17:34:16 dustymabe: as soon as I finish patching this mess I've made myself, I will do exactly that :) 17:34:32 keen 17:34:35 maxamillion: great - let me know if you need anything from me 17:34:46 dustymabe: will do, thanks ... I mostly just need to not be in meetings :) 17:34:59 dustymabe: I have no meetings after this for the rest of the day so I have high hopes :) 17:35:01 * dustymabe sprinkles fairy dusty and sends maxamillion on his way 17:35:07 shit 17:35:11 *fairy dust* 17:35:25 :) 17:35:27 dustymabe: no, I think you had it right 17:35:27 LOL 17:35:30 ok I'll open this up for open floor discussion 17:35:41 dustymabe: can we discuss fairy dusty? 17:35:45 +1 17:35:51 bring up any information for tickets we did not discuss or any new items 17:35:55 #topic open floor 17:36:00 jzb, better open a ticket on that 17:36:01 so, Atomic CLI isn't up to date in Fedora AH 17:36:04 dustymabe: :) 17:36:14 jberkus, I think it's all karma'd up 17:36:22 and pushed to stable 17:36:24 dustymabe++ 17:36:24 jzb: Karma for dustymabe changed to 1 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:36:30 fixing it this time is process, but how can we make sure that all the bits don't fall behind in the future? 17:36:47 We need to all pay attn to our "atomic" package set 17:36:53 And test and give karma 17:36:56 I feel like I've got no way to track that. does anyone else? 17:37:00 so 17:37:12 some time ago infra created or started to create a pseudo user 17:37:18 for the atomic packages so we could track those 17:37:35 jberkus: can I dig those out and turn that over to you? 17:37:44 sure 17:37:54 AIUI there is a way to have one pseudo user "watch" all relevant packages. 17:39:05 #action jzb turn over pseudo user work to jberkus 17:40:03 ok anything else for open floor? 17:40:59 closing meeting in 5 17:41:11 #endmeeting