17:03:13 <jberkus> #startmeeting fedora_cloud_wg
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17:03:30 <jberkus> #topic roll call
17:03:38 <kushal> .hellomynameis kushal
17:03:38 <jberkus> .hello jberkus
17:03:39 <zodbot> kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' <mail@kushaldas.in>
17:03:42 <zodbot> jberkus: jberkus 'Josh Berkus' <josh@agliodbs.com>
17:03:42 <jbrooks> .hello jbrooks
17:03:43 <trishnag> .hello trishnag
17:03:44 <nzwulfin> .hello mmicene
17:03:45 <zodbot> jbrooks: Sorry, but you don't exist
17:03:45 <jzb> .hellomynameis jzb
17:03:48 <zodbot> trishnag: trishnag 'Trishna Guha' <trishnaguha17@gmail.com>
17:03:48 <jbrooks> .hello jasonbrooks
17:03:51 <zodbot> nzwulfin: mmicene 'Matt Micene' <nzwulfin@gmail.com>
17:03:53 <scollier> .hello scollier
17:03:54 <zodbot> jzb: jzb 'Joe Brockmeier' <jzb@redhat.com>
17:03:57 <zodbot> jbrooks: jasonbrooks 'Jason Brooks' <JBROOKS@REDHAT.COM>
17:04:00 <zodbot> scollier: scollier 'Scott Collier' <emailscottcollier@gmail.com>
17:04:05 <maxamillion> .hello maxamillion
17:04:06 <zodbot> maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' <maxamillion@gmail.com>
17:04:48 <dustymabe> .hellomynameis dustymabe
17:04:50 <zodbot> dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' <dustymabe@redhat.com>
17:04:58 <jberkus> #chair jberkus kushal scollier jbrooks maxamillion nzwulfin jzb trishnag
17:04:58 <zodbot> Current chairs: jberkus jbrooks jzb kushal maxamillion nzwulfin scollier trishnag
17:05:15 <maxamillion> how many bot macros are there for that?
17:05:21 <bowlofeggs> .hello bowlofeggs
17:05:22 <zodbot> bowlofeggs: bowlofeggs 'Randy Barlow' <bowlofeggs@electronsweatshop.com>
17:05:31 <dustymabe> bowlofeggs: \o/
17:05:40 <kushal> Who all from cloud wg are coming to Flock?
17:05:43 <jberkus> #chair jberkus kushal scollier jbrooks maxamillion nzwulfin jzb trishnag bowlofeggs
17:05:43 <zodbot> Current chairs: bowlofeggs jberkus jbrooks jzb kushal maxamillion nzwulfin scollier trishnag
17:05:47 <bowlofeggs> heyo! (sorry i'm late, i almost didn't notice the notification!)
17:05:48 <scollier> kushal, i am.
17:05:51 <jberkus> kushal: I am
17:05:53 <bowlofeggs> o
17:05:57 <bowlofeggs> i'll be at flock
17:06:00 <jberkus> #chair jberkus kushal scollier jbrooks maxamillion nzwulfin jzb trishnag bowlofeggs dustymabe
17:06:00 <zodbot> Current chairs: bowlofeggs dustymabe jberkus jbrooks jzb kushal maxamillion nzwulfin scollier trishnag
17:06:30 <jberkus> #topic action items
17:06:50 <kushal> I have a quick announcement before anything else we discuss, jberkus may I do it?
17:06:56 <jberkus> we'll whiz through these real quick, and then start on ...
17:06:58 <jberkus> ok
17:07:37 <jberkus> kushal: go ahead
17:07:41 <jberkus> #topic announcement
17:07:41 <maxamillion> I'll be at flock
17:07:51 <kushal> trishnag, will join Red Hat as an intern to help out with documentation/examples/autocloud work for the Cloud WG in the next month.
17:08:01 <scollier> nice.
17:08:02 <dustymabe> kushal: yay
17:08:07 <dustymabe> trishnag!!!!
17:08:12 <trishnag> :) \o/
17:08:20 <jzb> excellent
17:08:23 <jberkus> :-D
17:08:45 <kushal> Means during Flock we will have to discuss about those missing documentations, and help to keep nice goals for her :)
17:08:56 <maxamillion> trishnag: welcome!!! :D
17:09:07 <trishnag> Thanks everyone :)
17:09:20 <kushal> jberkus, okay, now you can go ahead with normal routine :)
17:09:22 <kushal> Thanks :)
17:09:38 <jberkus> #topic action items
17:09:48 <jberkus> https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/report/9
17:10:21 <jberkus> updates
17:10:46 <jberkus> issue #125, have some notes from prepartion for flock, will likely turn those into full-fledged examples post-Flock
17:10:52 <jberkus> or during Flock, frankly
17:11:05 <jberkus> issue #135, vagrant boxes:
17:11:18 <jberkus> no imcleod, skipping
17:11:28 <jberkus> issue $147, any updates?  overwrites
17:11:43 <jbrooks> I put some suggestipons in the ticket
17:11:49 <jbrooks> it's a longer term thing
17:12:12 <jbrooks> we should put that on ice somehow, probably
17:12:49 <jberkus> yeah, a lot of these action items aren't really things which get resolved in a week
17:13:01 <jberkus> I'm wondering about taking a bunch of them out of #meeting
17:13:03 <jbrooks> Dusty's initial problem is fixable w/o changing anything but the urls we use -- we actually do keep and mirror old images already, just under the testing dir, see ticket for more info
17:13:05 <maxamillion> jbrooks: no updates
17:13:10 <maxamillion> at least not from me
17:13:15 <jberkus> maxamillion: 151?
17:13:28 <jberkus> I just updated 153, still waiting on hosting
17:13:47 <maxamillion> I'm actually not sure why 151 is still open, I thought tflink was happy with the definitions we came up with previously
17:13:50 <scollier> jberkus, why wait on CNCF for hosting for that?
17:13:53 <jberkus> 154: no updates, due to flock/kubernetes
17:14:11 <jberkus> scollier: because they discussed offering us machines
17:14:21 <jberkus> if we don't use theirs, then we need to come up with a hosting budget
17:14:41 <jberkus> which isn't out of the question, but I'd hoped to have an answer on their machines earlier
17:15:00 <jzb> jberkus: what's the sticking point there/
17:15:02 <jzb> er, there
17:15:05 <jzb> ?
17:15:10 <scollier> jberkus, do you know how many machines?
17:15:13 * jzb goes to look at thread
17:15:13 <jberkus> jzb: I've been asked a couple times about requirements
17:15:17 <scollier> i know they are in huge demand.
17:15:19 <jberkus> and then ... nothing
17:15:25 <jberkus> scollier: 10
17:15:34 <maxamillion> yuuuuuuuuge
17:15:35 <maxamillion> >.>
17:15:39 <maxamillion> sorry, I couldn't resist
17:15:54 <scollier> i'm kinda surprised they'd give up 10 machines for a long term project.  it's good news though.
17:16:05 <jberkus> scollier: our fallback is that we might be able to get vms from openshift dev team, but that would restrict FOSP to RH employees, which isn't good
17:16:15 <jzb> well, sorta
17:16:17 <jberkus> scollier: they have something like 1000 vms
17:16:24 <bowlofeggs> why dont we rename it to BROstree?
17:16:27 <scollier> jberkus, they have 1000 physical hosts.
17:16:29 <jzb> it would restrict *direct* access
17:16:36 <jberkus> oh, rigth
17:16:37 <maxamillion> bowlofeggs: wut?
17:16:40 <bowlofeggs> hahaha
17:16:44 <jzb> we could still do everything via, say, Ansible.
17:16:55 <jzb> and that would allow us to give "access" to non-RHT folks. I think.
17:17:09 <jberkus> also, frankly, I haven't been pushing on hosting because I don't yet have an FAO build/setup I'm really happy with
17:17:11 <scollier> jberkus, couldn't you also take some VMs from puiterwijk's OpenStack instance?
17:17:18 <scollier> jberkus, ok.
17:17:31 <maxamillion> jberkus: +1
17:17:34 <jzb> jberkus: is this something that's being worked out on GH or anything?
17:17:37 <maxamillion> cart before horse
17:17:44 <jzb> e.g., anything we can help with / play along with at home?
17:17:45 <jberkus> jbrooks: post-ga cadence 155>
17:17:46 <jberkus> ?
17:17:50 <jbrooks> On 155, I have an action to update the status there, I've collected the info, will update the ticket today
17:17:56 <maxamillion> jzb: we have notes http://etherpad.osuosl.org/fao_installation_notes
17:18:03 <jberkus> jzb: my next step is full write-up of all the issues and stuff that worked
17:18:11 <jberkus> once that's done, then others can take a crack at it
17:18:13 <jzb> groovy
17:18:14 <jzb> thanks
17:18:35 <jberkus> took a lot of back-and-forth to make it work in the first place (and an openshift release) so my first run notes are kind of unreadable
17:18:57 <jzb> fair enough :-)
17:19:39 <jberkus> updated 156
17:19:47 <jberkus> ok, done with that
17:20:06 <jberkus> #topic FAO
17:20:14 <jberkus> maxamillion: do you want to start this?
17:21:10 <maxamillion> sure
17:21:50 <maxamillion> so, we have the initial proposal https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives/ProjectFAO and a mailing list thread https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/XRVIS35CFCPQPFKR72YJONENWZJ4AVZV/ (the list thread seems to not really be getting much traction)
17:22:35 <maxamillion> this was something that everyone seemed really excited about at the Cloud WG FAD but we've not really gotten anywhere with it, jberkus has done the bulk of the PoC (afaik anyways) ... I've built some Fedora-based images for OpenShift, notes are here http://etherpad.osuosl.org/fao_installation_notes
17:23:29 <maxamillion> we have a follow up meeting this afternoon with some of the OpenShift developers about the future of FAO and where we collectively want to take it
17:23:31 <jzb> we have a session at Flock to talk about this?
17:23:51 <maxamillion> jzb: we do not, I'm pretty sure the CFP was closed by the time this manifested
17:24:00 <jberkus> jzb: hack session
17:24:04 <jberkus> maxamillion: we do, actually
17:24:07 <maxamillion> jberkus: oh?
17:24:14 <jberkus> yeah, and I put your name on it.
17:24:17 <maxamillion> jberkus: is this what Diane's session is turning into?
17:24:20 <jberkus> yes
17:24:22 <maxamillion> rocking
17:24:33 <maxamillion> jzb: then yes, yes we do :)
17:24:46 <jzb> sweet
17:24:59 * dustymabe has to run to the airport - will read meeting minutes later
17:25:11 <jzb> dustymabe: grab an uber, it's a long run ;-)
17:25:21 <dustymabe> :) - and it's hot out
17:25:28 <jzb> RIGHT?
17:25:30 <jzb> oy
17:25:43 * dustymabe &
17:25:57 <dustymabe> fg
17:25:59 * dustymabe &
17:26:13 <dustymabe> kill %1
17:26:20 <jbrooks> :)
17:26:42 <dustymabe> #nerdhumor
17:27:03 <jberkus> anyway, maxamillion and I will be discussing that more at 1pm.
17:27:22 <maxamillion> jberkus: +1
17:27:26 <maxamillion> here's the session https://flock2016.sched.org/event/76oj/openshift-on-fedora
17:27:46 <jberkus> #topic flock
17:28:09 <jberkus> so kushal dustymabe maxamillion jzb will be at flock
17:28:18 <jberkus> some others, lost in the scrollback
17:28:20 <scollier> I'll be there too.
17:28:35 <jberkus> what things are we doing at flock?  we have the FAO hack session, I have a build-a-container session
17:29:40 <maxamillion> I'll be introducing the Fedora Docker Layered Image Build System if anyone is interested https://flock2016.sched.org/event/76mS/introducing-fedora-docker-layered-image-builds
17:30:01 <maxamillion> we won't be ready to open the flood gates just yet but we'll have something to show :)
17:31:58 <jberkus> any other sessions?
17:32:15 <jberkus> there's  PRD for Cloud, no?
17:32:23 <maxamillion> PRD?
17:33:23 <jberkus> hold on, let me find this
17:35:14 <jberkus> can't find it, must be getting something else mixed up
17:35:20 <scollier> https://lists.fedorahosted.org/archives/list/cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/XSANMOZTBODNIT7CM4MMMV47AJXF7424/#64FERTWXZQL53SEV2AQE4ZDEUQJ5ALCY
17:35:39 <scollier> https://flock2016.sched.org/event/7mOO/prd-workshop
17:35:48 <jberkus> aha
17:36:19 <jberkus> seems like we kinda need to be at that
17:36:28 <jberkus> hopefully it doesn't conflict with other stuff
17:37:01 <maxamillion> let me rephrase ... what does "PRD" mean?
17:37:08 <jzb> Product Requirements Document
17:37:16 <maxamillion> alright
17:37:24 <jberkus> ... which seems like a misnomer for anything Fedora, but whatever
17:37:29 <maxamillion> I've heard it used for Product Roadmap Definition before also ... so that's cool
17:38:04 <maxamillion> alright, so during Flock we should establish a PRD for Cloud in general or for FAO?
17:38:07 <scollier> jberkus, i'll try to be there.
17:38:08 <jzb> The PRD workshop is at the same time as G11N, Design Clinic, and Fedora <3's Python
17:38:17 <jzb> so - shouldn't be too bad.
17:38:23 <jberkus> yah
17:38:32 * maxamillion want's to go to Fedora <3's Python :/
17:38:39 <jberkus> also, this one requires several cloud team members: https://flock2016.sched.org/event/76og/what-we-do-for-docker-image-test-automation
17:39:09 <scollier> i'm signed up for that one too.
17:39:43 <jberkus> do we want ot have an informal team meeting or dinner?
17:39:44 <maxamillion> does anyone know who the presenter is? are they a part of the Cloud WG and I just don't know the irc nick -> irc name translation?
17:39:55 <jberkus> maxamillion: PRD?  I don't know them
17:40:00 <jberkus> I was just wondering that myself
17:40:05 <maxamillion> jberkus: no, this one https://flock2016.sched.org/event/76og/what-we-do-for-docker-image-test-automation
17:40:29 <maxamillion> jberkus: PRD one is Jan, he's the Fedora Project Manager
17:40:40 <jzb> maxamillion: jkurik?
17:40:43 <maxamillion> jberkus: he does the Fedora release schedules and manages/tracks feature proposals/changes, etc
17:41:00 <maxamillion> jzb: I don't know who Lukas Brabec is
17:41:14 <maxamillion> jzb: and given the topic of the talk, I expected it to be someone from the Fedora Cloud WG
17:41:21 <nirik> "Product Requirements Document" is PRD
17:41:29 <jzb> maxamillion: hmmm
17:41:36 <maxamillion> nirik: yeah, someone answered that already :)
17:41:47 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud/Cloud_PRD
17:41:47 <nirik> ok
17:41:53 <jzb> maxamillion: looks like he's in QE
17:42:55 <maxamillion> jzb: Fedora QE?
17:43:28 <jzb> maxamillion: well, RHT QE
17:43:48 <jzb> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Lbrabec
17:43:49 <maxamillion> how does what RHT do internally relate to Fedora?
17:44:05 <jzb> let's pop over to #fedora-qa and see if he's about
17:44:21 <jzb> hmm does not seem to be.
17:45:15 <maxamillion> alright, I'll be in the session ... I'm curious to see what they have to say and if it is at all in alignment with what Fedora folks have been working on
17:45:26 <jzb> maxamillion: should we send him a note ahead of time?
17:45:38 <kushal> jzb, we should.
17:45:43 <jberkus> anything else on Flock?
17:46:08 <kushal> jberkus, the discussion around the actual docs issues we had during Cloud FAD.
17:46:23 <jberkus> #topic open floor
17:46:27 <jberkus> kushal: go ahead
17:46:46 <kushal> jberkus, So we wrote down about a few things we want to see, but no one worked on those.
17:46:51 <maxamillion> jzb: about what?
17:47:06 <maxamillion> jzb: I'm not going to ambush him or anything ... I'm just going to attend to learn
17:47:22 <jzb> maxamillion: well, it seems his session might benefit from some synchronization beforehand.
17:47:23 <kushal> Let us make the list of topics into solid points, so than  we can work upon those.
17:47:32 <jberkus> sounds good
17:48:04 <kushal> maxamillion, jzb If someone is talking about what Fedora is doing, I would expect that person to actually contribute to Fedora land.
17:48:19 <maxamillion> jzb: alright
17:48:20 <jzb> let's not assume he doesn't
17:48:28 <kushal> jzb, I am assuming he does.
17:49:49 <kushal> anything else?
17:50:44 <maxamillion> not from me
17:51:02 <jzb> nope
17:51:04 <jberkus> ok
17:51:06 <jberkus> #endmeeting