17:03:13 #startmeeting fedora_cloud_wg 17:03:13 Meeting started Wed Jul 27 17:03:13 2016 UTC. The chair is jberkus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:03:13 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:03:13 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_cloud_wg' 17:03:30 #topic roll call 17:03:38 .hellomynameis kushal 17:03:38 .hello jberkus 17:03:39 kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' 17:03:42 jberkus: jberkus 'Josh Berkus' 17:03:42 .hello jbrooks 17:03:43 .hello trishnag 17:03:44 .hello mmicene 17:03:45 jbrooks: Sorry, but you don't exist 17:03:45 .hellomynameis jzb 17:03:48 trishnag: trishnag 'Trishna Guha' 17:03:48 .hello jasonbrooks 17:03:51 nzwulfin: mmicene 'Matt Micene' 17:03:53 .hello scollier 17:03:54 jzb: jzb 'Joe Brockmeier' 17:03:57 jbrooks: jasonbrooks 'Jason Brooks' 17:04:00 scollier: scollier 'Scott Collier' 17:04:05 .hello maxamillion 17:04:06 maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' 17:04:48 .hellomynameis dustymabe 17:04:50 dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' 17:04:58 #chair jberkus kushal scollier jbrooks maxamillion nzwulfin jzb trishnag 17:04:58 Current chairs: jberkus jbrooks jzb kushal maxamillion nzwulfin scollier trishnag 17:05:15 how many bot macros are there for that? 17:05:21 .hello bowlofeggs 17:05:22 bowlofeggs: bowlofeggs 'Randy Barlow' 17:05:31 bowlofeggs: \o/ 17:05:40 Who all from cloud wg are coming to Flock? 17:05:43 #chair jberkus kushal scollier jbrooks maxamillion nzwulfin jzb trishnag bowlofeggs 17:05:43 Current chairs: bowlofeggs jberkus jbrooks jzb kushal maxamillion nzwulfin scollier trishnag 17:05:47 heyo! (sorry i'm late, i almost didn't notice the notification!) 17:05:48 kushal, i am. 17:05:51 kushal: I am 17:05:53 o 17:05:57 i'll be at flock 17:06:00 #chair jberkus kushal scollier jbrooks maxamillion nzwulfin jzb trishnag bowlofeggs dustymabe 17:06:00 Current chairs: bowlofeggs dustymabe jberkus jbrooks jzb kushal maxamillion nzwulfin scollier trishnag 17:06:30 #topic action items 17:06:50 I have a quick announcement before anything else we discuss, jberkus may I do it? 17:06:56 we'll whiz through these real quick, and then start on ... 17:06:58 ok 17:07:37 kushal: go ahead 17:07:41 #topic announcement 17:07:41 I'll be at flock 17:07:51 trishnag, will join Red Hat as an intern to help out with documentation/examples/autocloud work for the Cloud WG in the next month. 17:08:01 nice. 17:08:02 kushal: yay 17:08:07 trishnag!!!! 17:08:12 :) \o/ 17:08:20 excellent 17:08:23 :-D 17:08:45 Means during Flock we will have to discuss about those missing documentations, and help to keep nice goals for her :) 17:08:56 trishnag: welcome!!! :D 17:09:07 Thanks everyone :) 17:09:20 jberkus, okay, now you can go ahead with normal routine :) 17:09:22 Thanks :) 17:09:38 #topic action items 17:09:48 https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/report/9 17:10:21 updates 17:10:46 issue #125, have some notes from prepartion for flock, will likely turn those into full-fledged examples post-Flock 17:10:52 or during Flock, frankly 17:11:05 issue #135, vagrant boxes: 17:11:18 no imcleod, skipping 17:11:28 issue $147, any updates? overwrites 17:11:43 I put some suggestipons in the ticket 17:11:49 it's a longer term thing 17:12:12 we should put that on ice somehow, probably 17:12:49 yeah, a lot of these action items aren't really things which get resolved in a week 17:13:01 I'm wondering about taking a bunch of them out of #meeting 17:13:03 Dusty's initial problem is fixable w/o changing anything but the urls we use -- we actually do keep and mirror old images already, just under the testing dir, see ticket for more info 17:13:05 jbrooks: no updates 17:13:10 at least not from me 17:13:15 maxamillion: 151? 17:13:28 I just updated 153, still waiting on hosting 17:13:47 I'm actually not sure why 151 is still open, I thought tflink was happy with the definitions we came up with previously 17:13:50 jberkus, why wait on CNCF for hosting for that? 17:13:53 154: no updates, due to flock/kubernetes 17:14:11 scollier: because they discussed offering us machines 17:14:21 if we don't use theirs, then we need to come up with a hosting budget 17:14:41 which isn't out of the question, but I'd hoped to have an answer on their machines earlier 17:15:00 jberkus: what's the sticking point there/ 17:15:02 er, there 17:15:05 ? 17:15:10 jberkus, do you know how many machines? 17:15:13 * jzb goes to look at thread 17:15:13 jzb: I've been asked a couple times about requirements 17:15:17 i know they are in huge demand. 17:15:19 and then ... nothing 17:15:25 scollier: 10 17:15:34 yuuuuuuuuge 17:15:35 >.> 17:15:39 sorry, I couldn't resist 17:15:54 i'm kinda surprised they'd give up 10 machines for a long term project. it's good news though. 17:16:05 scollier: our fallback is that we might be able to get vms from openshift dev team, but that would restrict FOSP to RH employees, which isn't good 17:16:15 well, sorta 17:16:17 scollier: they have something like 1000 vms 17:16:24 why dont we rename it to BROstree? 17:16:27 jberkus, they have 1000 physical hosts. 17:16:29 it would restrict *direct* access 17:16:36 oh, rigth 17:16:37 bowlofeggs: wut? 17:16:40 hahaha 17:16:44 we could still do everything via, say, Ansible. 17:16:55 and that would allow us to give "access" to non-RHT folks. I think. 17:17:09 also, frankly, I haven't been pushing on hosting because I don't yet have an FAO build/setup I'm really happy with 17:17:11 jberkus, couldn't you also take some VMs from puiterwijk's OpenStack instance? 17:17:18 jberkus, ok. 17:17:31 jberkus: +1 17:17:34 jberkus: is this something that's being worked out on GH or anything? 17:17:37 cart before horse 17:17:44 e.g., anything we can help with / play along with at home? 17:17:45 jbrooks: post-ga cadence 155> 17:17:46 ? 17:17:50 On 155, I have an action to update the status there, I've collected the info, will update the ticket today 17:17:56 jzb: we have notes http://etherpad.osuosl.org/fao_installation_notes 17:18:03 jzb: my next step is full write-up of all the issues and stuff that worked 17:18:11 once that's done, then others can take a crack at it 17:18:13 groovy 17:18:14 thanks 17:18:35 took a lot of back-and-forth to make it work in the first place (and an openshift release) so my first run notes are kind of unreadable 17:18:57 fair enough :-) 17:19:39 updated 156 17:19:47 ok, done with that 17:20:06 #topic FAO 17:20:14 maxamillion: do you want to start this? 17:21:10 sure 17:21:50 so, we have the initial proposal https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives/ProjectFAO and a mailing list thread https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/XRVIS35CFCPQPFKR72YJONENWZJ4AVZV/ (the list thread seems to not really be getting much traction) 17:22:35 this was something that everyone seemed really excited about at the Cloud WG FAD but we've not really gotten anywhere with it, jberkus has done the bulk of the PoC (afaik anyways) ... I've built some Fedora-based images for OpenShift, notes are here http://etherpad.osuosl.org/fao_installation_notes 17:23:29 we have a follow up meeting this afternoon with some of the OpenShift developers about the future of FAO and where we collectively want to take it 17:23:31 we have a session at Flock to talk about this? 17:23:51 jzb: we do not, I'm pretty sure the CFP was closed by the time this manifested 17:24:00 jzb: hack session 17:24:04 maxamillion: we do, actually 17:24:07 jberkus: oh? 17:24:14 yeah, and I put your name on it. 17:24:17 jberkus: is this what Diane's session is turning into? 17:24:20 yes 17:24:22 rocking 17:24:33 jzb: then yes, yes we do :) 17:24:46 sweet 17:24:59 * dustymabe has to run to the airport - will read meeting minutes later 17:25:11 dustymabe: grab an uber, it's a long run ;-) 17:25:21 :) - and it's hot out 17:25:28 RIGHT? 17:25:30 oy 17:25:43 * dustymabe & 17:25:57 fg 17:25:59 * dustymabe & 17:26:13 kill %1 17:26:20 :) 17:26:42 #nerdhumor 17:27:03 anyway, maxamillion and I will be discussing that more at 1pm. 17:27:22 jberkus: +1 17:27:26 here's the session https://flock2016.sched.org/event/76oj/openshift-on-fedora 17:27:46 #topic flock 17:28:09 so kushal dustymabe maxamillion jzb will be at flock 17:28:18 some others, lost in the scrollback 17:28:20 I'll be there too. 17:28:35 what things are we doing at flock? we have the FAO hack session, I have a build-a-container session 17:29:40 I'll be introducing the Fedora Docker Layered Image Build System if anyone is interested https://flock2016.sched.org/event/76mS/introducing-fedora-docker-layered-image-builds 17:30:01 we won't be ready to open the flood gates just yet but we'll have something to show :) 17:31:58 any other sessions? 17:32:15 there's PRD for Cloud, no? 17:32:23 PRD? 17:33:23 hold on, let me find this 17:35:14 can't find it, must be getting something else mixed up 17:35:20 https://lists.fedorahosted.org/archives/list/cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/XSANMOZTBODNIT7CM4MMMV47AJXF7424/#64FERTWXZQL53SEV2AQE4ZDEUQJ5ALCY 17:35:39 https://flock2016.sched.org/event/7mOO/prd-workshop 17:35:48 aha 17:36:19 seems like we kinda need to be at that 17:36:28 hopefully it doesn't conflict with other stuff 17:37:01 let me rephrase ... what does "PRD" mean? 17:37:08 Product Requirements Document 17:37:16 alright 17:37:24 ... which seems like a misnomer for anything Fedora, but whatever 17:37:29 I've heard it used for Product Roadmap Definition before also ... so that's cool 17:38:04 alright, so during Flock we should establish a PRD for Cloud in general or for FAO? 17:38:07 jberkus, i'll try to be there. 17:38:08 The PRD workshop is at the same time as G11N, Design Clinic, and Fedora <3's Python 17:38:17 so - shouldn't be too bad. 17:38:23 yah 17:38:32 * maxamillion want's to go to Fedora <3's Python :/ 17:38:39 also, this one requires several cloud team members: https://flock2016.sched.org/event/76og/what-we-do-for-docker-image-test-automation 17:39:09 i'm signed up for that one too. 17:39:43 do we want ot have an informal team meeting or dinner? 17:39:44 does anyone know who the presenter is? are they a part of the Cloud WG and I just don't know the irc nick -> irc name translation? 17:39:55 maxamillion: PRD? I don't know them 17:40:00 I was just wondering that myself 17:40:05 jberkus: no, this one https://flock2016.sched.org/event/76og/what-we-do-for-docker-image-test-automation 17:40:29 jberkus: PRD one is Jan, he's the Fedora Project Manager 17:40:40 maxamillion: jkurik? 17:40:43 jberkus: he does the Fedora release schedules and manages/tracks feature proposals/changes, etc 17:41:00 jzb: I don't know who Lukas Brabec is 17:41:14 jzb: and given the topic of the talk, I expected it to be someone from the Fedora Cloud WG 17:41:21 "Product Requirements Document" is PRD 17:41:29 maxamillion: hmmm 17:41:36 nirik: yeah, someone answered that already :) 17:41:47 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud/Cloud_PRD 17:41:47 ok 17:41:53 maxamillion: looks like he's in QE 17:42:55 jzb: Fedora QE? 17:43:28 maxamillion: well, RHT QE 17:43:48 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Lbrabec 17:43:49 how does what RHT do internally relate to Fedora? 17:44:05 let's pop over to #fedora-qa and see if he's about 17:44:21 hmm does not seem to be. 17:45:15 alright, I'll be in the session ... I'm curious to see what they have to say and if it is at all in alignment with what Fedora folks have been working on 17:45:26 maxamillion: should we send him a note ahead of time? 17:45:38 jzb, we should. 17:45:43 anything else on Flock? 17:46:08 jberkus, the discussion around the actual docs issues we had during Cloud FAD. 17:46:23 #topic open floor 17:46:27 kushal: go ahead 17:46:46 jberkus, So we wrote down about a few things we want to see, but no one worked on those. 17:46:51 jzb: about what? 17:47:06 jzb: I'm not going to ambush him or anything ... I'm just going to attend to learn 17:47:22 maxamillion: well, it seems his session might benefit from some synchronization beforehand. 17:47:23 Let us make the list of topics into solid points, so than we can work upon those. 17:47:32 sounds good 17:48:04 maxamillion, jzb If someone is talking about what Fedora is doing, I would expect that person to actually contribute to Fedora land. 17:48:19 jzb: alright 17:48:20 let's not assume he doesn't 17:48:28 jzb, I am assuming he does. 17:49:49 anything else? 17:50:44 not from me 17:51:02 nope 17:51:04 ok 17:51:06 #endmeeting