16:01:03 <geppetto> #startmeeting fpc
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16:01:03 <geppetto> #meetingname fpc
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16:01:03 <geppetto> #topic Roll Call
16:01:04 <tibbs> I'm around.
16:01:08 <geppetto> #chair tibbs
16:01:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto tibbs
16:01:25 <tibbs> zodbot is stretched to the max with all of the flock channels.
16:02:15 <geppetto> yeh, I just hate the naked ping thing ... because roughly 99% of the time I do it it's because they other person already knows why
16:02:20 <tibbs> According to the flock schedule, Rathann is actually here.  But I haven't seen him.
16:02:27 * geppetto nods
16:02:43 <tibbs> I had a few minutes so I tried to work on a few tickets.
16:02:48 <geppetto> I almost put something in the schedule about not being sure if enough people would make it
16:03:14 * limburgher here
16:03:18 <geppetto> #chair limburgher
16:03:18 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto limburgher tibbs
16:03:28 <geppetto> tibbs: Yeh, I saw a bunch of updates
16:03:39 <geppetto> tibbs: Did you goto the modularity talk?
16:04:42 <geppetto> #chair racor
16:04:42 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto limburgher racor tibbs
16:05:55 <tibbs> I did not.
16:06:05 <geppetto> Ahh well.
16:06:20 <tibbs> There was one time slot where there were five talks I wanted to attend.
16:06:32 * geppetto nods ... that always happens to me
16:06:51 <geppetto> then they'll be like 2 hours where I'm just chatting with people in hallways as I don't care about anything
16:06:52 <tibbs> I went to everything that looks like it related to packaging, or directly related to my actual job.
16:07:00 * geppetto nods
16:10:58 <geppetto> Ok, 10 past ... might as well close it for this week
16:11:04 <tibbs> eah.
16:11:24 <geppetto> Anything you want to talk about?
16:11:31 <tibbs> Yeah.
16:11:40 <geppetto> #topic Open Floor
16:11:47 <tibbs> We need to look at moving off of fedorahosted trac.
16:11:59 <tibbs> there is an importer from trac issues to pagure now.
16:12:01 <geppetto> why?
16:12:19 <tibbs> Infra would like to shut it down at some point.
16:12:26 <geppetto> I don't mind pagure for code ... but not used the ticket system much
16:12:35 <geppetto> Interesting ... didn't know that
16:12:44 <tibbs> They have been improving it, in part from feedback I've been sending it.
16:13:12 <tibbs> I will be doing some test imports and having a look; I'll let you know te URL when that happens.
16:13:24 <geppetto> ok
16:13:42 <limburgher> Neat.
16:13:59 <tibbs> I think we really only want a way to get some simple reports, so we'll just have to see if there's enough there.
16:14:00 <limburgher> Every time I look at pagure it's grown some new feature or been refined.
16:14:18 <limburgher> It it's not, it probably won't be long before it is.
16:14:24 <tibbs> Yes, it is really gathering momentum now.
16:14:42 <tibbs> I'm here with Pingou and Ryan and at least two other pagure devs, so....
16:14:49 <limburgher> I was thinking metastasizing but yours has less negative connotations. :)
16:15:06 <limburgher> . . .so you have to say that because they can reach you. :)P
16:15:20 <limburgher> Pat them on the back for me. :)
16:15:24 <tibbs> Pretty cool guys all around, really.
16:15:54 <tibbs> But anyway, I don't think I care if any of the workflow stuff I crammed into trac goes away.
16:15:59 <limburgher> I should go to FLOCK someday.  Meet another Fedoran IRL for once.
16:16:12 <tibbs> We just want ticket submission templates and tags.
16:16:20 <limburgher> Might be a good excuse to prune down to what we actually use.
16:16:36 <geppetto> yeh, we can hack something together with tags
16:16:51 <tibbs> Both of those are there, thouh I don't know if it's yet possible to force someone to choose a category/template before they file something.
16:17:12 <limburgher> Threats?
16:17:13 <tibbs> But it's not too bad, and as a bonus you can reply to tockes via email.
16:17:17 <limburgher> Or just do it in software.
16:17:21 <limburgher> If that's your thing.
16:17:30 <limburgher> Cool!
16:17:38 <tibbs> tickets via email.  I still can't type on a laptop very well.
16:18:14 <tibbs> So I think it gives us something useful and doesn't really take away anything that we actually use.
16:18:38 <limburgher> And adds the possibility of easy integration with git repos, where useful.
16:18:51 <tibbs> I could _almost_ see rewriting the guideline pages in RST and sticking them in the FPC docs repo instead of having them in the wiki
16:18:55 <tibbs> But one thing at a time.
16:19:02 <limburgher> I was just thinking that same thing.
16:19:11 <limburgher> FPC tickets -> pull requests.
16:19:33 <limburgher> Make t-shirts : Gource the Guidelines!
16:19:41 <tibbs> It's just..... how much more enjoyable life would be if I could simply use an editor and commit.
16:20:25 <tibbs> I would probably be able to get things done much more easily.  It might be worth translating one of the pages just to see how it could look.
16:20:29 <limburgher> Set up mediawiki->git as a GSoC project.
16:21:24 <tibbs> I think mediawiki -> rst is somewhat a solved problem.
16:21:52 <geppetto> rst?
16:22:00 <tibbs> restrutured text
16:22:08 <tibbs> restructured text
16:22:19 <limburgher> So wrap that in something to preserve edit history.
16:22:19 <tibbs> It's  very simple markup language.
16:22:41 <limburgher> Treat it like any other VCS.
16:23:12 <tibbs> I don't even care about past edit history, but I think that's actually a solved problem, too.
16:23:12 <limburgher> Would I rather develop using mediawiki than cvs?
16:23:12 * geppetto googles and sees
16:23:15 <limburgher> Yes.  Yes I would.
16:23:59 <tibbs> If it were all in pagure, of course we'd have proper edit history moving forward because the docs repo is also git
16:24:40 * geppetto nods
16:24:59 <geppetto> so who needs to move ... us and fesco, anyone else?
16:25:11 <tibbs> Everything that's currently in trac.
16:25:24 <limburgher> did rel-eng move yet?
16:25:49 <tibbs> I don't think any of te issue-only people have moved yet.
16:26:30 <tibbs> The full version of the issue importer (with attachments) is only six days old, so....
16:26:53 <tibbs> Anyway, I'll try it in the pagure staging instance and let everyone know it's there so we can play around with it.
16:27:19 <geppetto> cool, thanks
16:28:05 <tibbs> Anyway, I guess I need to queue for this beer tasting thing.
16:28:12 <geppetto> yeh
16:28:18 <geppetto> go enjoy yourslef
16:28:21 <tibbs> And I don't even drink.
16:28:49 <geppetto> And if you see langdon grab him and say hi, and get tell him I said to buy you a drink :)
16:28:59 <tibbs> Anyway, Auschwitz tommorrow and then I fly back home at 4:30AM on saturday.
16:29:25 <tibbs> Heh, the drinks are free.  And langdon has been around plenty.  Too bad he smokes like a chimney.
16:29:37 <geppetto> on the upside that's only 22:30 here :)
16:30:04 <tibbs> Yeah, well... after a month I hve acclimated.
16:30:15 <geppetto> :)
16:30:34 <tibbs> And it's supposed to be nearly Houston hot here tomorrow, too.  Don't even get my last day of cool european sumer.
16:30:46 <geppetto> ha
16:30:58 <tibbs> But anyway, up to the room to drop off my stuff.  Have a good one, all.
16:31:37 <geppetto> last couple of times I've been the uk I've spent most of the time going "wtf, why does nobody have air conditioning"
16:31:37 <geppetto> see ya
16:31:37 <geppetto> #endmeeting