17:00:15 #startmeeting fedora_cloud_wg 17:00:15 Meeting started Wed Sep 28 17:00:15 2016 UTC. The chair is trishnag. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:15 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:15 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_cloud_wg' 17:00:25 #topic Roll Call 17:00:28 .hello jberkus 17:00:29 jberkus: jberkus 'Josh Berkus' 17:00:29 .hellomynameis kushal 17:00:29 .hellomynameis sayanchowdhury 17:00:31 kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' 17:00:34 sayan: sayanchowdhury 'Sayan Chowdhury' 17:00:37 .hello trishnag 17:00:38 trishnag: trishnag 'Trishna Guha' 17:00:43 note that I'm logging in from a conference, so laggy/flaky 17:00:47 .hello amolkahat 17:00:48 akahat: amolkahat 'Amol Kahat' 17:00:52 akahat, welcome :) 17:01:03 hi kushal :) 17:01:08 akahat: welcome 17:01:28 #chair jberkus kushal sayan akahat 17:01:28 Current chairs: akahat jberkus kushal sayan trishnag 17:01:29 trishnag, thanks :) 17:01:41 we will wait for few minutes :) 17:02:03 Anyone else for the first time? 17:02:52 sayan: you did last meeting, right? 17:03:01 jberkus: yep 17:03:05 sayan++ 17:03:07 .hello maxamillion 17:03:08 maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' 17:03:12 hmm 17:03:19 #chair maxamillion 17:03:19 Current chairs: akahat jberkus kushal maxamillion sayan trishnag 17:03:20 apparently I don't have any more karma to give out 17:03:30 jberkus: :) 17:03:48 .hello bowlofeggs 17:03:49 bowlofeggs: bowlofeggs 'Randy Barlow' 17:03:59 #chair bowlofeggs 17:03:59 Current chairs: akahat bowlofeggs jberkus kushal maxamillion sayan trishnag 17:04:15 .hello tflink 17:04:18 tflink: tflink 'Tim Flink' 17:04:19 .hello imcleod 17:04:22 imcleod: imcleod 'Ian McLeod' 17:04:30 I have another meeting at the half hour. 17:04:34 #chair tflink imcleod 17:04:34 Current chairs: akahat bowlofeggs imcleod jberkus kushal maxamillion sayan tflink trishnag 17:04:35 .hello mmicene 17:04:36 nzwulfin: mmicene 'Matt Micene' 17:04:47 #chair nzwulfin 17:04:47 Current chairs: akahat bowlofeggs imcleod jberkus kushal maxamillion nzwulfin sayan tflink trishnag 17:04:53 #topic Action items from last meeting 17:05:05 * Kushal will work on moving to Pagure from Trac 17:05:05 * jbrooks to send out an email to the list regarding Test Day 17:05:22 kushal: any update on this? ^ 17:05:30 imcleod: I have a meeting now *and* at the half hour ... :D 17:05:40 looks like jboorks is not here. 17:05:43 * kushal still has to work on this, was away for PyCon. 17:05:57 trishnag, please readd 17:06:11 kushal: ok I will action is once again. 17:06:24 s/this/is 17:06:43 #action kushal will work on moving to Pagure from Trac 17:07:00 #action jbrooks to send out an email to the list regarding Test Day 17:07:12 moving to meeting items 17:07:16 .hellomynameis dustymabe 17:07:18 dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' 17:07:27 #chair dustymabe 17:07:27 Current chairs: akahat bowlofeggs dustymabe imcleod jberkus kushal maxamillion nzwulfin sayan tflink trishnag 17:07:44 #topic vagrant boxes fixups https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/136 17:07:54 imcleod: ^ this is for you. 17:08:20 imcleod replied on the ticket 17:08:23 trishnag: I just updated it, in anticipation of this moment :-). 17:08:36 should we remove the meeting tag for now? 17:08:41 trishnag: I thought this was simply enabling a feature. It is not. Apologies. 17:09:04 imcleod: ahh thanks :) 17:09:12 sayan: yeah that would be nice 17:10:12 #topic design, deploy and document Fedora OpenShift Playground (FOSP) https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/153 17:10:46 jberkus: would you like to say anything on this? 17:11:02 trishnag: still waiting for the next work session. scollier? 17:11:31 scollier is not here. 17:12:09 jberkus: alright, thanks for the update :) 17:12:36 so we can move to the next ticket. 17:12:54 #topic make Fedora Atomic download page clearer https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/154 17:13:54 jberkus++ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud/getfedora_update 17:13:54 trishnag: Karma for jberkus changed to 3 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:14:42 so I just sent some new mockups to the list 17:14:56 one thing we need to determine: what's our "primary download"? 17:15:14 ISO or AWS? 17:16:17 primary download for atomic? 17:16:23 jberkus: why not the QCOW? 17:16:41 yeah I was thinking QCOW then cloud providers then ISO 17:16:43 nzwulfin: +1 17:16:51 dustymabe, Yes. 17:17:10 so, can someone explain to me what qcow is used for and who would use it? 17:17:27 it's basically our cloud image 17:17:37 this cloud image could then be taken and used in cloud providers 17:17:48 jberkus, To be used in any Openstack or other cloud providers. 17:17:49 openstack is one 17:17:49 OpenStack, virt providers 17:17:59 or whatever other one you want to import it into 17:18:03 jberkus: it's a qemu image format that most virtualization platforms and cloud platforms either know how to work with or can convert from that image format to their native format 17:18:36 ok, is someone willing to write up how that works and how to use it? 17:18:46 because that documentation doesn't currently exist 17:18:46 I don't follow 17:18:50 yes it does 17:18:52 everywhere 17:18:59 jberkus: most of the existing docs is around qcow images 17:19:13 example? and not vagrant 17:19:33 jberkus: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/23/html/Virtualization_Getting_Started_Guide/index.html 17:19:34 http://www.projectatomic.io/docs/quickstart/ 17:19:37 jberkus, Any document exampling how to use openstack. 17:19:43 explaining 17:19:50 * kushal needs to learn typing again. 17:20:09 jberkus: http://docs.openstack.org/image-guide/index.html 17:20:30 it's also the primary example on the PA.io download page 17:20:38 ok, so we need a paragraph which explains this and provides relevant links 17:20:48 can someone write that *today*? 17:21:17 basically 3 sentences 17:22:08 jberkus: do you mean in the wiki itself https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud/getfedora_update ? 17:22:25 or email, what ever is convenient 17:22:35 I just want to get it to the designer today 17:22:39 what three sentences do you want? would probably be faster to have people jump in on an etherpad 17:22:43 http://piratepad.net/RwUDCbZfhR 17:23:10 dustymabe: I want someone to write a "this is a qcow image, this is what it's for, link link link 17:23:10 " 17:23:56 jberkus: I can. 17:23:57 nzwulfin: maxamillion kushal can you all help him fill that out in the etherpad 17:24:03 trishnag: ++ 17:24:06 http://piratepad.net/RwUDCbZfhR 17:24:19 dustymabe: thanks for the link. will update it after the meeting 17:24:34 jberkus: similar to what's in the design proposal for say the AMI block? 17:24:35 trishnag++ 17:24:35 maxamillion: Karma for trishnag changed to 14 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:24:38 yes 17:24:39 will be better if we all do it collaboratively - maybe right after the meeting 17:24:55 dustymabe: +1 17:25:35 * nzwulfin nods 17:25:46 ok let's move to the next ticket :) 17:26:05 #topic Decide on post-GA update cadence for various deliverables https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/155 17:26:27 jberkus: Update for this? 17:27:43 looks like there is a proposal out to the releng list as dustymabe said. 17:28:05 trishnag: not my ticket 17:28:20 jberkus: sorry 17:28:34 jboorks is not here. moving to the next one 17:28:37 maxamillion had to re-bump the thread 17:30:31 #topic Need complete Kickstart docs for Atomic Host https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/156 17:31:19 that's gotten held up behind work on the new downloads. essentially done, I just need to publish it 17:31:39 jberkus: awesome! thanks. 17:32:20 moving to the next ticket 17:32:24 #topic Ship fedora-motd in F24 atomic image https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/160 17:32:32 rtnpro: kushal ^ 17:32:45 rtnpro, has to update on that. 17:32:52 rtnpro needs to update 17:33:13 ok he is not here in the meeting today 17:34:11 #topic Decide a process about failed tests for Autocloud https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/167 17:34:23 kushal: update on this one? 17:34:25 trishnag, I should update this ticket. 17:34:43 #action will update #167 after meeting with details 17:34:49 #undo 17:34:49 Removing item from minutes: ACTION by kushal at 17:34:43 : will update #167 after meeting with details 17:34:56 #action kushal will update #167 after meeting with details 17:35:12 This looks nice https://pagure.io/atomic-images/issues 17:36:03 #topic Finish new Fedora Cloud PRD https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/170 17:36:51 trishnag: so I'll be taking that after we get the getfedora.org page redesigned 17:36:56 with mattdm's help 17:37:26 of course, if someone else wants to take it on, I'm happy to yield it 17:38:29 jberkus: ok thanks. 17:40:08 we can probably move to open floor if nobody has anything to say on this item. :) 17:40:46 #topic Open Floor 17:41:07 what about making the Atomic WG? 17:41:08 Few items. 17:41:29 Our atomic images are failing to boot (F25) as rpm-ostree is broken. 17:41:53 We will have to update our test case (or find the actual cause) for F25 base image failing testcase. 17:42:12 We will also have to discuss the idea of merging the working groups. 17:42:45 sayan: I assumed that was a given 17:42:47 so the images are failing to boot, does anyone know what the issue is? 17:42:52 is someone working on it? 17:43:21 dustymabe: dgilmore replied to the rel-eng mailing list that they are working on it 17:43:34 Correct. 17:43:34 ok - how long ago was that? 17:43:45 An hour 17:43:47 ok cool 17:43:49 thanks 17:44:00 did jbrooks ever propose a test day? 17:44:25 dustymabe: jboorks is not around today. 17:44:49 dustymabe: afaik, nope 17:44:54 i'll ping him on it 17:45:31 https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/rel-eng@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/7XJMBMMBDOZDGDY4ABCUE4GM2TXIWX2T/ 17:47:19 Any other comment related to merging all the working groups? 17:48:42 Merging? 17:49:16 kushal: has a proposal been put together for the server WG to look at re: taking on the cloud base? 17:49:32 There is a mail in the list with subject line "Cloud Atomic Server WGs" 17:49:49 Please have a look. 17:50:00 nzwulfin, I think yes, but no details in my mind right now. 17:50:14 nzwulfin, I have asked matthew to look at it. 17:50:21 kushal: nice 17:51:46 Anything else for today? 17:51:59 nothing from my side 17:52:14 Oh, that one. 17:52:28 gholms, sorry for using the word "all" 17:54:51 hi i have something to discuss. 17:54:58 akahat: go ahead 17:56:07 I sent one PR in tunirtests : https://github.com/kushaldas/tunirtests/pull/43 17:56:43 dustymabe: rpm-ostree is not working in rawhide or f25 17:57:42 dgilmore: kushal just said that 17:57:53 said you were looking at it? 17:59:22 trishnag, I guess we can end the meeting. 17:59:29 kushal: okay 17:59:40 trishnag++ 17:59:40 jberkus: Karma for trishnag changed to 15 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:59:41 #endmeeting