21:00:21 <sgallagh> #startmeeting Server Working Group Weekly Meeting (2016-11-15) 21:00:21 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Nov 15 21:00:21 2016 UTC. The chair is sgallagh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:21 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:21 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'server_working_group_weekly_meeting_(2016-11-15)' 21:00:21 <sgallagh> #chair nirik sgallagh mhayden dperpeet smooge jds2001 vvaldez adamw mjwolf 21:00:21 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw dperpeet jds2001 mhayden mjwolf nirik sgallagh smooge vvaldez 21:00:21 <sgallagh> #topic roll call 21:00:21 <sgallagh> .hello sgallagh 21:00:22 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh@redhat.com> 21:00:28 <smooge> .hello smooge 21:00:29 <adamw> .hello adamwill 21:00:32 <zodbot> smooge: smooge 'Stephen J Smoogen' <smooge@gmail.com> 21:00:35 <zodbot> adamw: adamwill 'Adam Williamson' <awilliam@redhat.com> 21:00:43 <smooge> kevin is in a video call 21:00:45 <mjwolf> .hello mjwolf 21:00:46 <zodbot> mjwolf: mjwolf 'Michael Wolf' <mjwolf@us.ibm.com> 21:02:31 <nirik> .hello kevin 21:02:32 <zodbot> nirik: kevin 'Kevin Fenzi' <kevin@scrye.com> 21:02:38 <nirik> out now, but have to head out in a few again. ;( 21:02:40 <smooge> or not :) 21:02:49 <sgallagh> Not a problem. We don't have much of an agenda. 21:02:50 <jds2001> .hello jstanley 21:02:51 <zodbot> jds2001: jstanley 'Jon Stanley' <jonstanley@gmail.com> 21:03:03 <sgallagh> #topic Open Floor 21:03:18 <mhayden> .hello mhayden 21:03:19 <zodbot> mhayden: mhayden 'Major Hayden' <major@mhtx.net> 21:03:31 <nirik> sgallagh: I was going to quickly ask what you wanted from me for the dvd/netinstall stuff? just a 'dvd and netinstall will be produced and meet all release critera' ? or more detailed than that? 21:03:33 * jds2001 apologizes for not being around last week 21:03:48 <sgallagh> I took a look at the marketing wiki we didn't discuss last week. I think it's good to go now, but other eyeballs certainly welcome 21:04:02 <sgallagh> .link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F25_general_release_announcement 21:04:50 <sgallagh> nirik: That and taking over responsibility for composition definition. (AKA comps/spin-kickstarts/pungi) 21:05:09 <sgallagh> So if we decide to drop or add packages, etc. 21:05:15 <sgallagh> Is that sanguine? 21:05:15 <nirik> ok. is this all going to a wiki page? or just email to you to collect up? or ? 21:05:18 <nirik> sure. 21:05:28 <sgallagh> nirik: Email to the 21:05:31 <sgallagh> list for now 21:05:41 <nirik> ok. cool. can try and get that out this week. 21:05:43 <sgallagh> I'm going to try to turn it into something looking like an actual PRD 21:06:04 <sgallagh> Though I'll admit that I haven't been on top of that as well as I'd like. 21:06:53 <sgallagh> jds2001: Not to worry; your presence wouldn't have brought us up to quorum :) 21:08:51 <sgallagh> adamw: Loosely related to the ongoing Apple hardware discussion: should we discuss (and possibly reaffirm) our position wrt Active Directory client support? 21:08:55 <sgallagh> (For F26+) 21:09:44 <sgallagh> And also it probably wouldn't hurt to assert which versions we will block on, now that MS has three major versions under support. 21:10:06 <smooge> 3 different versions of AD? 21:10:18 <smooge> oh 2008, 2012 and 2016 21:10:21 <sgallagh> Yes 21:10:47 <smooge> got it 21:11:16 <sgallagh> (FWIW, we appear to work fine with 2012 and 2016; I've tested both at least a little. I stopped personally testing 2008 a while ago though) 21:11:17 <smooge> For F26 I wouldn't block of 2016 because it is still getting ironed out with their 'continuous deployment' 21:11:35 <smooge> 2008 seems to still have the larger share of deployments and 2012 next 21:11:44 <sgallagh> /me nods 21:11:46 <smooge> so block on 2012 21:12:51 <sgallagh> My question for adamw was whether there are backup resources to do that testing that are consistent. Back at Alpha or Beta, I was out of town during the Go/No-Go week and the missing tests were just fudged. 21:13:03 <sgallagh> I ran them for Final last week though. 21:13:22 <sgallagh> But I'd like to know that we're not blocking on me... 21:13:30 <sgallagh> (in the general case) 21:13:33 <smooge> at the moment I thought it was you :/ 21:13:54 <sgallagh> smooge: Right, but I don't want to be a single point of failure 21:13:59 <jds2001> if i were more reliable than "I'll get around to it" I could do it. 21:14:09 <sgallagh> (I pride myself on being *many* points of failure... wait...) 21:14:25 <jds2001> sgallagh: :D 21:14:28 <smooge> well in that case.. I would say it goes with Mac support 21:14:54 <sgallagh> smooge: Can you be more specific? 21:15:15 <adamw> sgallagh: sorry - the AD tests? we had one other person who claimed to be able to do them IIRC 21:15:20 * adamw trying to remember who 21:15:31 <jds2001> adamw: i've done them before. 21:15:40 <adamw> oh yeah, you and one other person, i think. 21:15:41 <jds2001> and one other person, i forget who 21:16:14 <adamw> i can do them if sgallagh gives me remote access to his setup... 21:16:39 <sgallagh> adamw: Easily done 21:16:51 <smooge> sgallagh, I was looking at Chris Murphy's proposal on the list: a new policy that requires 100% of test cases which are attached to a release blocking criterion, shall have been performed by some milestone, perhaps sometime between beta GA and final freeze. If the test hasn't been done, the applicable criterion is put in a one cycle abeyance, i.e. bugs found to violate the suspended criterion will not be accepted as blockers for 21:16:51 <smooge> final for the release. 21:16:55 <sgallagh> adamw: Do you want my 2012 setup or 2016? 21:17:16 <adamw> smooge: yeah, i think that's actually a fairly sensible proposal (and more or less along the lines of what I was already working on) 21:17:19 <sgallagh> smooge: That sounds fairly reasonable to me 21:17:25 <adamw> sgallagh: ALL THE SETUPS 21:17:46 <jds2001> sgallagh: all your setups are belong to adamw :D 21:17:51 <sgallagh> adamw: I'll send you an email in a few minutes, then (once I confirm I have ALL THE PASSWORDS) 21:17:55 <adamw> rgr 21:18:15 <jds2001> adamw: make sure to change all the passwords :D 21:18:15 <smooge> sgallagh, the passwords are 12345678 and 87654321 21:18:27 <adamw> smooge: goddamnit, those are MY passwords, you fool 21:18:47 <smooge> adamw, add a 9 to them and no one will ever guess them 21:18:54 <sgallagh> smooge: That's the same combination I have on my luggage! 21:19:17 <smooge> needed a good laugh today 21:20:11 <sgallagh> Spaceballs never disappoints 21:20:14 <sgallagh> ... anyway 21:20:59 <sgallagh> I'll get those logins to you ASAP, adamw 21:21:08 <sgallagh> Other topics for today? 21:21:51 <smooge> next meeting topics? 21:21:55 <jds2001> did we come up with anything more on the storaged nfs integration? 21:22:49 <smooge> I was figuring we need to get ready to start building tools for F26.. but what tools 21:23:30 <sgallagh> jds2001: I haven't heard anything more on the subject 21:23:36 <sgallagh> Could you bring it up on the server list? 21:24:55 <smooge> other than that I don't have anything 21:27:03 <vvaldez> .hello vvaldez 21:27:04 <zodbot> vvaldez: vvaldez 'Vinny Valdez' <vvaldez@redhat.com> 21:27:17 * vvaldez apologies 21:28:05 <sgallagh> No worries 21:28:07 <sgallagh> Didn't miss much 21:28:17 <sgallagh> vvaldez: I sent some comments for your document last week while you were out 21:29:13 <vvaldez> sgallagh: ah thanks 21:32:36 <sgallagh> adamw: It'll be a couple more minutes. I'm not sure why, but I can't seem to get remote access working on 2012 21:32:46 <sgallagh> But it worked immediately on 2016, of course 21:32:53 <adamw> np 21:32:56 <vvaldez> sgallagh: did the meeting alredy close out? 21:33:16 <sgallagh> vvaldez: No, we're just covering random topics today. Got anything you want to discuss? 21:33:55 <vvaldez> nothing specific - thanks for the great comments, I'll update the doc before next meeting 21:37:08 <jds2001> sgallagh: thats because 2016 is 4 more than 2012 :D 21:40:08 <sgallagh> OK, if there's nothing else, I'll close out the meeting in two minutes 21:40:41 <smooge> nothing from me 21:40:48 <jds2001> nothing here 21:40:49 <vvaldez> same here 21:40:53 <mjwolf> same here 21:42:03 <sgallagh> #endmeeting