17:03:57 <kushal> #startmeeting Fedora Atomic Working Group
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17:04:05 <kushal> #topic Roll Call
17:04:08 <scollier> .hello scollier
17:04:09 <jbrooks> .fas jasonbrooks
17:04:09 <zodbot> scollier: scollier 'Scott Collier' <emailscottcollier@gmail.com>
17:04:12 <zodbot> jbrooks: jasonbrooks 'Jason Brooks' <JBROOKS@REDHAT.COM>
17:04:12 <kushal> trishnag, you can take over now :)
17:04:19 <rmartinelli> .hello rmartinelli
17:04:19 <dustymabe> .hello dustymabe
17:04:19 <zodbot> rmartinelli: Sorry, but you don't exist
17:04:21 <kushal> .hellomynameis kushal
17:04:23 <zodbot> dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' <dustymabe@redhat.com>
17:04:24 <maxamillion> .hello maxamillion
17:04:25 <rmartinelli> .hello rimolive
17:04:26 <zodbot> kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' <mail@kushaldas.in>
17:04:27 <trishnag> .hello trishnag
17:04:29 <sayan> .hello sayanchowdhury
17:04:29 <zodbot> maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' <maxamillion@gmail.com>
17:04:30 <misc> .hello misc
17:04:32 <zodbot> rmartinelli: rimolive 'None' <ricardo.martinelli.oliveira@gmail.com>
17:04:35 <zodbot> trishnag: trishnag 'Trishna Guha' <trishnaguha17@gmail.com>
17:04:38 <zodbot> sayan: sayanchowdhury 'Sayan Chowdhury' <sayan.chowdhury2012@gmail.com>
17:04:42 <zodbot> misc: misc 'None' <misc@zarb.org>
17:04:48 <bowlofeggs> .hello bowlofeggs
17:04:49 <zodbot> bowlofeggs: bowlofeggs 'Randy Barlow' <randy@electronsweatshop.com>
17:04:59 <kushal> #chair scollier jbrooks rmartinelli dustymabe maxamillion trishnag sayan misc bowlofeggs
17:04:59 <zodbot> Current chairs: bowlofeggs dustymabe jbrooks kushal maxamillion misc rmartinelli sayan scollier trishnag
17:05:07 <kushal> trishnag, take over please
17:05:13 * trishnag was going to chair only
17:05:58 <kushal> trishnag, I am not stealing the chair, no worries :)
17:06:12 <trishnag> #topic Action items from last meeting
17:06:35 <maxamillion> I'm very sorry but I have to step afk for a couple minutes, I will catch up on backscroll asap
17:06:47 <dustymabe> maxamillion: that's fine
17:07:03 <trishnag> * kushal will write to list for the agenda of the features meeting for Atomic group
17:07:09 <trishnag> * trishnag will create an issue on tunirtests for https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/173
17:07:12 <trishnag> maxamillion: sure
17:07:30 <kushal> and I missed it thanks to my sick leaves + allergies
17:07:37 <kushal> I will send it out tomorrow morning my time.
17:07:48 <kushal> trishnag, readd that please :)
17:07:56 <trishnag> kushal: sure. thanks for the update
17:08:01 <trishnag> I just created the ticket on tuniritests https://github.com/kushaldas/tunirtests/issues/57
17:08:53 <trishnag> moving to the meeting items
17:08:57 <trishnag> #topic Future of Fedora Dockerfiles https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/180
17:09:12 <sayan> #action kushal will write to list for the agenda of the features meeting for Atomic group
17:09:24 <trishnag> sayan: Thanks
17:09:36 <trishnag> scollier: hey. here comes the future of dockerfiles :)
17:09:45 <dustymabe> scollier: should we revisit this when maxamillion comes back to keyboard?
17:09:51 <scollier> dustymabe, sure
17:09:55 <scollier> dustymabe, i have some questions
17:09:56 <trishnag> dustymabe: cool
17:09:57 <dustymabe> trishnag: let's push this to last?
17:10:02 <kushal> yes
17:10:08 <trishnag> okay
17:10:33 <trishnag> scollier: please go ahead :). or do you want to wait for maxamillion to come back?
17:10:41 <scollier> trishnag, wait
17:10:50 <trishnag> okay
17:11:11 <trishnag> #topic Fedora Cloud Base Vagrant Boxes Don't Allow Vagrant User To su To Other Users https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/173
17:11:45 <dustymabe> trishnag: this should be an easy fix - assign to me and untag from meeting
17:11:55 <trishnag> dustymabe: okay
17:12:26 <trishnag> dustymabe: done
17:12:49 <trishnag> #topic Finish new Fedora Cloud PRD https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/170
17:13:04 <kushal> jberkus is missing today
17:13:17 <trishnag> jberkus is not around. Does anybody want to say something for this ticket?
17:13:46 <dustymabe> kushal: I don't have anything for that today
17:14:17 <trishnag> It seems I can take that as no. moving to next item.
17:14:23 <trishnag> #topic Spec for IRC bot to notify about blockers https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/169
17:14:57 <kushal> I hope we will notice the channel topic
17:15:03 <kushal> Who all actually read the topics?
17:15:12 <dustymabe> kushal: I don't
17:15:17 <dustymabe> or rarely..
17:15:47 <trishnag> same here. I don't.
17:15:53 <sayan> nope
17:16:23 <rmartinelli> rarely too
17:16:26 <kushal> So, somehow I am feeling that we are trying to solve a human issue with technology
17:16:34 <kushal> But ...
17:16:37 * maxamillion is back
17:16:54 <maxamillion> apologies
17:16:54 <kushal> maxamillion, welcome back :)
17:16:59 <dustymabe> kushal: I think emails to the list are a better answer
17:17:04 <trishnag> dustymabe: +1
17:17:19 <dustymabe> and probably easier to implement
17:18:21 <sayan> Why not push the fedmsg messages to the channel?
17:18:35 <kushal> dustymabe, yes, we can just enable any failure bugs to pagure into a mail to the list
17:18:46 <kushal> dustymabe, Sayan has bugyou for filing bugs
17:19:20 <kushal> But he had problem about image names iirc
17:19:20 <dustymabe> now we do need to be careful about too many notifications
17:19:30 <kushal> sayan, do you want to talk about that?
17:19:44 <dustymabe> hopefully we don't have too many "blocker" bugfs
17:19:45 <kushal> dustymabe, I would love to see people complaining about too many notifications :)
17:20:50 <sayan> yes, the issue was that since the image name has dates, bugyou was creating new issues everyday
17:20:52 <dustymabe> we do have to realize that 99% of people on the cloud list are casual users/contributors and too many notifications will turn them off
17:20:59 <sayan> or with every autocloud failure
17:21:11 <sayan> I fixed the issue with regex
17:22:17 <sayan> dustymabe: yeah
17:22:19 <dustymabe> ok so can we decide on something?
17:22:25 <dustymabe> IRC->email
17:22:45 <dustymabe> and the frequency of emails is something we can tweak as we go
17:23:02 <dustymabe> who has an action item out of this?
17:23:26 <sayan> we can throw every notification to IRC and tweak the number of emails that goes
17:23:33 <sayan> to the list
17:23:44 <dustymabe> sayan: ok
17:23:49 <kushal> sayan, email will go out for every update (that is every failure on autocloud) from pagure
17:23:58 <dustymabe> would you like to update the ticket ?
17:24:21 <kushal> dustymabe, I will
17:24:44 <kushal> dustymabe, not just in current condition (bad state with allergy attacks), will do that tomoor
17:24:47 <kushal> tomorrow
17:24:53 <trishnag> kushal: sure.
17:24:55 <sayan> I look into this and update on my findings
17:24:58 <kushal> #action kushal to update #169
17:25:29 <trishnag> ok let's move to the next ticket.
17:25:34 <trishnag> #topic Ship fedora-motd in F24 atomic image https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/160
17:25:46 <dustymabe> is rtnpro around?
17:25:51 <maxamillion> F24 atomic is dead
17:25:56 <trishnag> rtnpro: kushal any update for the ticket?
17:26:00 <dustymabe> maxamillion: RIP
17:26:02 <kushal> maxamillion, has to update to F25
17:26:04 <kushal> dustymabe, haha
17:26:05 <trishnag> maxamillion: yeah
17:26:14 <maxamillion> kushal: +1
17:27:08 <trishnag> looks like rtnpro is not around.
17:27:22 <trishnag> #topic Proposed website changes for Cloud Base → Atomic Host switch https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/158
17:27:28 <sayan> I don't think he would be around for next few weeks
17:27:44 <kushal> I guess we can close this as we are in F25 lifetime now
17:27:46 <kushal> sayan, :)
17:28:17 <trishnag> We now have it https://getfedora.org/atomic \o/ :)
17:28:38 <dustymabe> i'll update the ticket and close it
17:28:40 <trishnag> we can close the ticket https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/158 ?
17:28:48 <trishnag> dustymabe: cool thanks.
17:29:23 <trishnag> #topic make Fedora Atomic download page clearer https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/154
17:29:43 <dustymabe> trishnag: will ping jberkus for an update on this
17:29:49 <dustymabe> go to next
17:29:51 <trishnag> dustymabe: okay
17:30:12 <trishnag> #topic design, deploy and document Fedora OpenShift Playground (FOSP) https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/153
17:30:32 <trishnag> jberkus isn't around.
17:30:37 <misc> mhh ?
17:30:52 <trishnag> misc: hey :)
17:31:15 <misc> so, for fosp, we have a domain name : fosp.fedorainfracloud.org, and I did reinstall all on Fedora 25
17:31:34 <misc> and now the status is "console work, but the reigistry wasn't deployed", and I am fixing it
17:31:36 <dustymabe> misc: f25 atomic host?
17:31:41 <misc> dustymabe: nope, cloud
17:31:54 <dustymabe> misc: ok
17:32:00 <dustymabe> how much hardware do we have there?
17:32:08 <misc> still running in fedora cloud
17:32:17 <kushal> misc, tell me if we can test and help :)
17:32:21 <dustymabe> misc: i.e. the openstack thing?
17:32:27 <misc> dustymabe: yup
17:32:41 <misc> so around 20 cores I think, in 8 VM
17:32:45 <dustymabe> ok
17:33:09 <misc> kushal: oh, I was about to send something, but when i tested, i found that there was no registry
17:33:10 <dustymabe> misc: can we have a meeting sometime with "everyone interested in FOSP" to kind of get a briefing on that project?
17:33:16 <misc> so console is functional
17:33:31 <misc> but you can't build anything and t took me a while to understand why
17:33:56 <misc> dustymabe: briefing on the progress ?
17:34:05 <rmartinelli> I'm getting Connection Reset in this domain. Is it already available?
17:34:11 <kushal> dustymabe, +1 to that idea
17:34:15 <dustymabe> misc: not exactly. basically a 0 to 60 of everything FOSP
17:34:25 <misc> dustymabe: sure
17:34:35 <misc> on friday ?
17:34:36 <dustymabe> what it is, what hardware do we have, where it lives, who controls it, what are the plans, what is the current status
17:34:48 <dustymabe> misc: maybe schedule for two weeks from now
17:34:55 <trishnag> dustymabe: +1
17:35:07 <dustymabe> holidays in the US this week
17:35:17 <misc> 1) a openshift instance deployed for the WG to test openshift 2) none 3) in openstack instance of Fedora 4) not panicking 5) waiting on ansible
17:35:53 <misc> oh wait, i fogot who control, so far, me, but others gave me their ssh keys. As this is not working yet, I have yet to write more docs
17:36:05 <dustymabe> would still be good to havea meeting with a short preso if possible
17:36:13 <dustymabe> to get more people up to speed
17:36:16 <misc> sure, even a long preso :)
17:36:16 <dustymabe> EOM :)
17:37:34 <gholms> [Frost gathers on the windows]
17:37:49 <dustymabe> FGOTW?
17:37:51 <dustymabe> :)
17:38:09 <trishnag> hehe
17:38:28 <trishnag> okay we can now probably move to the next ticket.
17:38:35 <trishnag> #topic vagrant boxes fixups https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/136
17:39:11 <trishnag> jbrooks has already created PR for the ticket.
17:39:43 <dustymabe> yep. now we just need someone to give imagefactory some love :)
17:39:58 <trishnag> The PR needs to be reviewed though https://github.com/redhat-imaging/imagefactory/pull/392
17:40:28 <kushal> dustymabe, do you know who is maintaining it?
17:40:51 <dustymabe> kushal: ian wrote it, i don't know who is maintaining it now
17:40:58 <kushal> dustymabe, same here
17:41:25 <dustymabe> looks like mostly Iam
17:41:29 <trishnag> Looks like ian.
17:41:36 <dustymabe> Ian, but I know he would love for someone to take it on
17:41:41 <jbrooks> yeah, he merges PRs
17:42:52 <dustymabe> ok, next
17:43:05 <trishnag> Moving back to first ticket.
17:43:13 <trishnag> #topic Future of Fedora Dockerfiles https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/180
17:43:20 <trishnag> scollier: there you go.
17:43:25 <scollier> ok, sec
17:44:31 <scollier> so i had several good comments on the ticket over the past week
17:44:40 <scollier> none of them advocating that we continue fedora-dockerfiles
17:44:43 <scollier> so
17:45:14 <scollier> what i need is, a link to a procedure that I can add to the github repo, which points potential contributors to fedora-dockerfiles, to the new dist-git process
17:45:24 <maxamillion> I'm aiming to have "New (scaled-out) Docker Layered Image Build Service" available in about two weeks which will allow for all of the fedora-dockerfiles to be migrated to Fedora's DistGit and be distributed directly from Fedora (and mirrored to Docker Hub on a two-week release cadence)
17:45:38 <scollier> maxamillion, that's great
17:45:46 <scollier> i'd like to capture that process and point people to it
17:46:05 <scollier> in the mean time, I am going to add a note, that we are not taking any new PRs
17:46:14 <maxamillion> I have docs in the wiki that are still in draft form, I'm going to clean them up next week and get them out the door but the procedures and guidelines have all passed FESCo approval (FPC passed them along to FESCo for review/approval)
17:46:50 <scollier> maxamillion, i believe i have that link.
17:46:54 <maxamillion> cool
17:46:55 <scollier> trishnag, so, that's pretty much it
17:47:01 <scollier> anything from anyone else on the topic?
17:47:41 <trishnag> scollier: ack. Thanks for the update.
17:48:15 <trishnag> Moving to open floor
17:48:18 <scollier> trishnag, i'll leave the ticket open until maxamillion and I are closed out
17:48:29 <trishnag> scollier: Sure thing.
17:48:45 <dustymabe> scollier: I would propose that we move the Fedora Dockerfiles repo to something like Fedora-Dockerfiles-Examples
17:48:53 <dustymabe> the old links will still redirect
17:49:08 <scollier> dustymabe, and leave it running?
17:49:11 <dustymabe> and make the readme very clear about the status of the dockerfiles in that repo
17:49:31 <dustymabe> scollier: sure, i.e. you can just have people that submit PRs and merge them without feeling bad
17:49:35 <scollier> dustymabe, we need a maintainer for that.
17:49:39 <trishnag> But do we have maintainer for the repo? like scollier asked
17:49:43 <dustymabe> or we could just freeze the repo
17:49:58 <scollier> dustymabe, that's what i was thinking, freeze, and move people over.
17:50:11 <scollier> i dont have cycles to maintain a fedora-dockerfiles-* repo
17:50:27 <dustymabe> scollier: k
17:50:42 <dustymabe> can you guys update the ticket with the status?
17:50:48 <scollier> dustymabe, yes
17:50:51 <rmartinelli> scollier: Do you need volunteers to maintain? I can help.
17:51:12 <scollier> rmartinelli, i would like to go in and address the existing open PRs, if you can help, that would be great
17:52:08 <rmartinelli> scollier: ok, I'm in.
17:52:26 <scollier> rmartinelli, thanks
17:53:18 <trishnag> #topic Open Floor
17:53:33 <gholms> Is it just me or does the web site have no links to regular cloud images at all now?
17:53:51 <gholms> A couple people have asked me where to find them, and the best I could point them to was dl.fp.o.
17:53:52 <dustymabe> gholms: that is right. we are making a new page
17:53:59 <gholms> They aren't even on alt.fp.o yet.
17:54:00 <trishnag> gholms: It has
17:54:16 <trishnag> gholms: https://alt.fedoraproject.org/
17:54:27 <dustymabe> https://pagure.io/fedora-websites/issue/57
17:54:30 <trishnag> Alternative Downloads on https://getfedora.org/
17:54:50 <gholms> trishnag: Can you point me to what part of that page points to cloud base images?
17:54:54 <dustymabe> gholms: I'll send an email to the cloud list that you can point people to
17:55:12 * misc also add people asking
17:55:14 <gholms> Okay, so it's still a work in progress, then.
17:55:23 <dustymabe> gholms: we have to create  https://cloud.fedoraproject.org
17:55:25 <misc> s/add/had/
17:55:26 <dustymabe> it is not there
17:55:43 <dustymabe> gholms: yes. in short. this working group has been really bad at making any changes
17:55:54 <dustymabe> mattdm opened his ticket a long time ago
17:56:07 <trishnag> Oh interesting. It was there today morning :)
17:56:07 <trishnag> not anymore now.
17:56:08 <dustymabe> and we never followed up with the websites team to let them know they needed to do work
17:56:16 <gholms> Hehe.  The constant struggle of being stretched too thin.  ;)
17:56:22 <gholms> trishnag: It was not there yesterday either.
17:56:28 <dustymabe> gholms: yes, hopefully it will be better now
17:56:28 <trishnag> gholms: Cloud images are not anymore here https://alt.fedoraproject.org :).
17:56:30 <gholms> You might be thinking of the aarch64/ppc page.
17:56:37 <dustymabe> I have some more cycles to "close the loop" on some issues
17:56:52 <gholms> ...which would be great if I was one of the five people running a cloud on one of those architectures.  ;)
17:56:59 <trishnag> gholms: I have seen today :)(India morning). and pointed the link to someone :(
17:57:18 <gholms> The link you posted was to dl.fedoraproject.org, IIRC.
17:57:36 <dustymabe> trishnag: it's possible the web team has been making progress and that is what you saw
17:57:42 <gholms> So anyhoo, yeah, it's still a known issue, so I can stop worrying about it now.
17:57:42 <dustymabe> this is an open ticket they are working on btw
17:57:51 <dustymabe> gholms: I will send a mail to the list and link you to it
17:57:53 <trishnag> dustymabe: might be.
17:57:54 <trishnag> :)
17:57:58 <trishnag> so we need to wait for https://cloud.fedoraproject.org
17:58:05 <dustymabe> and summarize the issue as well as provide links for all deliverables
17:58:10 <gholms> Thanks
18:00:17 <trishnag> We are almost at the end of the meeting.
18:00:19 <trishnag> going
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18:00:25 <trishnag> #endmeeting