21:00:27 <sgallagh> #startmeeting Server Working Group Weekly Meeting (2017-01-17) 21:00:27 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jan 17 21:00:27 2017 UTC. The chair is sgallagh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:27 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:27 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'server_working_group_weekly_meeting_(2017-01-17)' 21:00:27 <sgallagh> #chair nirik sgallagh mhayden dperpeet smooge jds2001 vvaldez adamw mjwolf 21:00:27 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw dperpeet jds2001 mhayden mjwolf nirik sgallagh smooge vvaldez 21:00:27 <sgallagh> #topic roll call 21:00:27 <sgallagh> .hello sgallagh 21:00:29 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh@redhat.com> 21:00:34 <mhayden> .hello mhayden 21:00:35 <zodbot> mhayden: mhayden 'Major Hayden' <major@mhtx.net> 21:00:44 <dperpeet> .hello dperpeet 21:00:45 <nirik> .hello kevin 21:00:45 <zodbot> dperpeet: dperpeet 'None' <dperpeet@redhat.com> 21:00:48 <zodbot> nirik: kevin 'Kevin Fenzi' <kevin@scrye.com> 21:00:49 <mjwolf> .hello mjwolf 21:00:51 <zodbot> mjwolf: mjwolf 'Michael Wolf' <mjwolf@us.ibm.com> 21:01:01 <smooge> hello 21:01:15 <smooge> .hello smooge 21:01:16 <zodbot> smooge: smooge 'Stephen J Smoogen' <smooge@gmail.com> 21:02:02 * langdon lurks 21:02:13 <sgallagh> /me drags langdon out into the open 21:02:19 <langdon> lol 21:02:22 <langdon> .hello langdon 21:02:23 <zodbot> langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' <langdon@fishjump.com> 21:02:53 * langdon needs a 3rd monitor 21:03:08 <sgallagh> OK, we have quorum, but I'd like to wait for adamw before we start (since the release-blocking media affects his team strongly) 21:05:11 <sgallagh> That being said, I guess he's not turning up today. 21:05:47 <sgallagh> #topic agenda 21:05:53 <sgallagh> #info Agenda Item: Release-blocking Media 21:05:53 <sgallagh> #info Agenda Item: Bikeshed on a marketing-friendly name for the modular Server 21:06:08 <sgallagh> Does anyone else have a pressing agenda item for this week? 21:07:04 <sgallagh> #topic Release-blocking Media 21:07:04 <sgallagh> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Program_Management/ReleaseBlocking/Fedora26#Server 21:07:41 <sgallagh> Currently, Server Edition produces all of the media described at that link, but only considers issues that affect the x86_64 DVD and netinstall media to be blockers. 21:08:22 <sgallagh> Would anyone like to revise this list? 21:09:11 <nirik> kinda would like the cloud image too... but perhaps not if there's not a lot of support for it 21:09:42 <sgallagh> /me nods 21:09:48 <sgallagh> dustymabe: You around? 21:10:11 <sgallagh> I'd like to hear the general confidence level around it before we go ahead and add it 21:10:57 <dperpeet> I agree - if the confidence level is high enough, that image would be valuable to have as well 21:11:37 <nirik> well, right now we are just keeping it the way it is right? so we just need to watch for breakage... 21:11:43 <nirik> or were we going to adjust it any? 21:12:04 <sgallagh> Let's pause for a moment: which image? 21:12:24 <sgallagh> The qcow2 image for OpenStack/KVM? The AMI? Something else? 21:12:38 <nirik> excellent point. ;) 21:12:38 <sgallagh> (all of the above...?) 21:13:31 <nirik> I was just thinking of the Fedora_cloud_base qcow2. 21:13:37 <nirik> (x86_64) 21:14:02 <sgallagh> I think we probably need to revisit that conversation 21:14:36 <nirik> yeah. Also, it might be wise to have a release without it blocking and see how we do with it... since we are new to maintaining it. 21:15:04 <sgallagh> Yeah, I think I'd fall on that side of things as well: don't block this time around while we work out the kinks 21:15:21 <sgallagh> But we should start producing them 21:15:45 <nirik> yes 21:15:52 <sgallagh> Proposal: Add Fedora Server qcow2 and AMI images as produced media, but treat them as non-blocking for Fedora 26. 21:16:52 <nirik> sure. 21:17:16 <mjwolf> +1 21:17:21 <dperpeet> +1 21:17:34 <sgallagh> +1 21:17:41 <sgallagh> smooge: ? 21:17:45 <dperpeet> no fancy architectures though :) 21:17:54 <sgallagh> dperpeet: Valid point. 21:17:56 <sgallagh> /me revises 21:18:12 <langdon> does vagrant not "count" 21:18:13 <langdon> ? 21:18:13 <sgallagh> Proposal: Add Fedora Server qcow2 x86_64 and AMI x86_64 images as produced media, but treat them as non-blocking for Fedora 26. 21:18:44 <sgallagh> langdon: If you want Server SIG to produce an official vagrant image, that's an additional option. 21:18:51 <sgallagh> But someone will need to own it 21:18:58 <langdon> ohh.. right.. cloud owned the old one 21:19:01 <langdon> sorry.. 21:19:08 <sgallagh> (I'm not willing to volunteer dustymabe for that without him being present) 21:19:14 <langdon> i do .. but i am not sure who/how to own it 21:19:47 <smooge> sorry kid came in 21:20:01 <langdon> maybe we cna take it up with dusty offline 21:20:01 <smooge> +1 21:20:09 <sgallagh> langdon: And/or on the mailing list 21:20:26 <sgallagh> #agreed Add Fedora Server qcow2 x86_64 and AMI x86_64 images as produced media, but treat them as non-blocking for Fedora 26. 21:20:39 <sgallagh> #action sgallagh to update the release-blocking media page 21:20:57 <sgallagh> #topic Bikeshed on a marketing-friendly name for the modular Server 21:21:11 <sgallagh> Before we start, let's identify the purpose of the activity. 21:21:50 <sgallagh> We plan to start offering an alternative medium (likely produced outside the normal process for this release, so I'm not going to add it to the media link above). 21:22:31 <sgallagh> The reason for it is to build an operating system out of individually well-tested components, rather than the build-it-yourself approach of Fedora today. 21:22:48 <sgallagh> * build an operating system suited for your specific needs 21:23:29 <sgallagh> For an indeterminate amount of time, this will be delivered as an alternative to the present-day Server Edition. 21:23:48 <sgallagh> As such, we need to call it something, and I'm morally opposed to langdon's placeholder "Crazy Server" 21:24:07 <langdon> i did the sys wide change "Modular Server Preview" 21:24:10 <sgallagh> OK, level-set complete 21:24:12 <dperpeet> although it does have a certain ring to it 21:24:14 <langdon> was that not "cool" enough? 21:24:21 <smooge> urBikeShed 21:24:22 <nirik> Fedora Autobot! 21:24:34 <sgallagh> nirik: If that wouldn't get us sued, I rather like that one... 21:24:43 <langdon> Fedora Voltron would be more accurate! 21:24:50 <nirik> and as long as it's not a decepticon. ;) 21:24:51 <smooge> Fedora Boltron 21:25:07 <smooge> Bolting together parts to make the system of your needs 21:25:08 <sgallagh> langdon: Modular is neither descriptive enough nor "active" enough, IMHO 21:25:11 <nirik> Fedorastiens monster? no, thats a bit negative 21:25:17 * langdon mutters "i am sure some people will see it as decepticon" ;( 21:25:36 <dperpeet> "Fedora Served", heh 21:25:40 <langdon> lol 21:25:59 <nirik> Fedora Unit Block (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_block) 21:26:00 <sgallagh> The Island of Dr. Fedora? 21:26:08 <smooge> Fedorad -- replacing all your spins 21:26:18 <dperpeet> but it's too tied to English 21:26:31 <sgallagh> Right, that's another thing: we need something that we can translate 21:26:47 <dperpeet> or something clearly not meant to be translated 21:27:13 <sgallagh> langdon: What I'm looking for is something that catches the attention enough that people want to learn more. "Modular" to me just sounds like buzzword-generator. 21:27:41 <langdon> sgallagh, ack.. that makes sense to me 21:27:53 <langdon> i guess there wasnt enough level setting for me ;) 21:28:07 <sgallagh> (Side-note: I wonder if we could replace "Module Build Service" with "Fedora Haberdashery" ;-) ) 21:28:17 <smooge> just to be clear.. I have been serious about urBikeShed, Fedora Boltron and Fedorad 21:28:32 <sgallagh> smooge: Duly noted 21:28:36 <langdon> do we want something like Boltron? or something more "technical" a la "Server" 21:28:57 * langdon really doesn't have a clue and stinks at naming.. see "Modularity" as example 1 21:29:27 <sgallagh> Boltron actually does have an interesting sound to it (and it's a nonsense word, so it would be carried directly rather than translated) 21:29:53 <smooge> Instead of Crazy Server: MadHatter? 21:29:56 <langdon> smooge, why "B"? popped in to your head? or something i am missing? 21:30:10 <langdon> smooge, ooo.. i like that .. but see example 1 ;) 21:30:34 <sgallagh> langdon: "(04:25:07 PM) smooge: Bolting together parts to make the system of your needs" 21:30:38 <smooge> Well the idea of bolts tieing parts together gave a solidity 21:30:47 <langdon> sorry.. missed that 21:30:50 <smooge> np 21:31:26 <langdon> i like the "voltron" being the sum greater than the parts.. so the combo is pretty good 21:31:27 <sgallagh> (Frankly, this one is really growing on me; even if we don't go with it ultimately, I'm using it as a codename) 21:31:36 <langdon> sgallagh, boltron? 21:31:39 <sgallagh> Yes 21:32:34 <smooge> It also tied into the Fedora-stein in that instead of having a lion or vehicle combo robot you could have something with bolts coming out the neck 21:32:43 <sgallagh> /me snickers 21:32:59 <langdon> as long as it isn't langdon-stein ;) 21:33:18 <sgallagh> smooge: Yeah, there's a lot of logo possibility here as well. 21:33:23 * nirik likes Boltron too 21:33:29 <sgallagh> /me keeps waiting for others to disagree... 21:33:36 <dperpeet> I could live with Boltron 21:33:44 <smooge> langdon, I was actually going to base the image off of you 21:33:48 <dperpeet> not everything needs to be well thought-out and sane 21:33:59 <langdon> my only problem with "boltron" is it kind sounds like "bolt on" .. but meh 21:34:10 <sgallagh> langdon: So it's also accurate? 21:34:14 <smooge> well isn't what this is? bolt on 21:34:18 <langdon> sgallagh, lol harsh 21:34:43 <langdon> "bolt on" for me has a negative connotation .. like "not really a part just tagged on the side" .. but maybe that is just me? 21:35:17 <sgallagh> Proposal: Entrusted by the alliance with the ancient secret of how to assemble, Boltron: Defender of Fedora is born. 21:35:27 <langdon> NICE 21:36:56 <smooge> 2 21:36:57 <smooge> +1 21:37:07 <sgallagh> +1 from me as well 21:37:19 <dperpeet> +1 21:37:21 <misc> that's a US specific pop culture reference ? 21:37:30 * langdon doesn't know if he has a vote 21:37:36 <sgallagh> misc: Well, that sentence is. 21:37:45 <sgallagh> misc: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Voltron:_Defender_of_the_Universe 21:38:05 <mjwolf> +1 21:38:20 <nirik> sure, +1. we should avoid getting sued, but otherwise fine. 21:38:31 <mjwolf> though me wonders if there would be an acronym that would work. I just cant come up with one right now 21:38:32 <sgallagh> nirik: If the lawyers flag it down, we'll address it at that time 21:38:42 <dperpeet> no acronym please 21:38:45 <smooge> langdon, I understand the idea you have but I bolt on is also used in reference to how you attach a water holder on a bike or other tools 21:39:14 <langdon> smooge, ahh ok.. so mostly just me then ;) 21:39:33 <sgallagh> #agreed Entrusted by the alliance with the ancient secret of how to assemble, Boltron: Defender of Fedora is born. 21:39:48 <langdon> ha 21:39:58 <sgallagh> #topic Open Floor 21:39:59 <langdon> i would like to see someone reading the minutes.. 21:40:15 <sgallagh> langdon: That's partly why I stuck that in there. To see if anyone ever reads them :) 21:40:50 <langdon> :) 21:41:28 <sgallagh> Next week I will be traveling for DevConf.cz and will not be available to run the meeting. 21:41:37 <sgallagh> Does anyone want to volunteer to do so, or shall we skip? 21:41:37 <mjwolf> same here 21:42:30 <dperpeet> I will be away in two weeks 21:44:17 <sgallagh> nirik, smooge: What does your schedule look like? 21:44:25 * nirik should be around 21:44:33 <nirik> but if everyone else is gone, perhaps we should punt.. 21:46:57 <sgallagh> OK, I'm not hearing anyone excited to run it next week 21:47:15 <sgallagh> #info No meeting on 2017-01-24 21:47:41 <sgallagh> I'll aim to run one on the 31st and see who shows up 21:47:44 <smooge> I would be here next week 21:48:16 <smooge> however I believe it would just be me and nirik while the cool kids are partying in Prague 21:48:26 <smooge> boogying in brno 21:48:41 <langdon> a bit of a side bar on boltron ... where should we "publish" that? promote it? 21:48:54 <dperpeet> run it by the designers first? 21:48:55 <smooge> first person would be Mo 21:49:20 <smooge> we need to get a graphic and then we tell the bosses 21:49:34 <langdon> i thought mo was the boss? 21:49:42 <smooge> the Boss 21:49:49 <smooge> versus bosses 21:49:59 <smooge> the capitalization is important 21:50:16 <langdon> gotcha! 21:50:49 <sgallagh> Probably we should take it to the Council first 21:51:15 <langdon> sgallagh, good point.. 21:51:29 <langdon> i could file a ticket on behalf of server? 21:51:32 <sgallagh> They may just decide to shatter our hopes and dreams 21:51:35 <sgallagh> langdon: Much appreciated 21:51:37 <langdon> or on behalf of modularity? 21:51:40 <langdon> or both? 21:51:52 <sgallagh> #action langdon To bring up the Boltron name with Fedora Council. 21:52:00 <sgallagh> langdon: Both, I would think 21:52:09 <langdon> ack.. 21:53:41 <sgallagh> Anything else here, or shall I close the meeting out? 21:54:20 <sgallagh> Going once 21:54:44 <sgallagh> Going twice 21:55:00 <sgallagh> #endmeeting