21:00:27 #startmeeting Server Working Group Weekly Meeting (2017-01-17) 21:00:27 Meeting started Tue Jan 17 21:00:27 2017 UTC. The chair is sgallagh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:27 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:27 The meeting name has been set to 'server_working_group_weekly_meeting_(2017-01-17)' 21:00:27 #chair nirik sgallagh mhayden dperpeet smooge jds2001 vvaldez adamw mjwolf 21:00:27 Current chairs: adamw dperpeet jds2001 mhayden mjwolf nirik sgallagh smooge vvaldez 21:00:27 #topic roll call 21:00:27 .hello sgallagh 21:00:29 sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' 21:00:34 .hello mhayden 21:00:35 mhayden: mhayden 'Major Hayden' 21:00:44 .hello dperpeet 21:00:45 .hello kevin 21:00:45 dperpeet: dperpeet 'None' 21:00:48 nirik: kevin 'Kevin Fenzi' 21:00:49 .hello mjwolf 21:00:51 mjwolf: mjwolf 'Michael Wolf' 21:01:01 hello 21:01:15 .hello smooge 21:01:16 smooge: smooge 'Stephen J Smoogen' 21:02:02 * langdon lurks 21:02:13 /me drags langdon out into the open 21:02:19 lol 21:02:22 .hello langdon 21:02:23 langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' 21:02:53 * langdon needs a 3rd monitor 21:03:08 OK, we have quorum, but I'd like to wait for adamw before we start (since the release-blocking media affects his team strongly) 21:05:11 That being said, I guess he's not turning up today. 21:05:47 #topic agenda 21:05:53 #info Agenda Item: Release-blocking Media 21:05:53 #info Agenda Item: Bikeshed on a marketing-friendly name for the modular Server 21:06:08 Does anyone else have a pressing agenda item for this week? 21:07:04 #topic Release-blocking Media 21:07:04 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Program_Management/ReleaseBlocking/Fedora26#Server 21:07:41 Currently, Server Edition produces all of the media described at that link, but only considers issues that affect the x86_64 DVD and netinstall media to be blockers. 21:08:22 Would anyone like to revise this list? 21:09:11 kinda would like the cloud image too... but perhaps not if there's not a lot of support for it 21:09:42 /me nods 21:09:48 dustymabe: You around? 21:10:11 I'd like to hear the general confidence level around it before we go ahead and add it 21:10:57 I agree - if the confidence level is high enough, that image would be valuable to have as well 21:11:37 well, right now we are just keeping it the way it is right? so we just need to watch for breakage... 21:11:43 or were we going to adjust it any? 21:12:04 Let's pause for a moment: which image? 21:12:24 The qcow2 image for OpenStack/KVM? The AMI? Something else? 21:12:38 excellent point. ;) 21:12:38 (all of the above...?) 21:13:31 I was just thinking of the Fedora_cloud_base qcow2. 21:13:37 (x86_64) 21:14:02 I think we probably need to revisit that conversation 21:14:36 yeah. Also, it might be wise to have a release without it blocking and see how we do with it... since we are new to maintaining it. 21:15:04 Yeah, I think I'd fall on that side of things as well: don't block this time around while we work out the kinks 21:15:21 But we should start producing them 21:15:45 yes 21:15:52 Proposal: Add Fedora Server qcow2 and AMI images as produced media, but treat them as non-blocking for Fedora 26. 21:16:52 sure. 21:17:16 +1 21:17:21 +1 21:17:34 +1 21:17:41 smooge: ? 21:17:45 no fancy architectures though :) 21:17:54 dperpeet: Valid point. 21:17:56 /me revises 21:18:12 does vagrant not "count" 21:18:13 ? 21:18:13 Proposal: Add Fedora Server qcow2 x86_64 and AMI x86_64 images as produced media, but treat them as non-blocking for Fedora 26. 21:18:44 langdon: If you want Server SIG to produce an official vagrant image, that's an additional option. 21:18:51 But someone will need to own it 21:18:58 ohh.. right.. cloud owned the old one 21:19:01 sorry.. 21:19:08 (I'm not willing to volunteer dustymabe for that without him being present) 21:19:14 i do .. but i am not sure who/how to own it 21:19:47 sorry kid came in 21:20:01 maybe we cna take it up with dusty offline 21:20:01 +1 21:20:09 langdon: And/or on the mailing list 21:20:26 #agreed Add Fedora Server qcow2 x86_64 and AMI x86_64 images as produced media, but treat them as non-blocking for Fedora 26. 21:20:39 #action sgallagh to update the release-blocking media page 21:20:57 #topic Bikeshed on a marketing-friendly name for the modular Server 21:21:11 Before we start, let's identify the purpose of the activity. 21:21:50 We plan to start offering an alternative medium (likely produced outside the normal process for this release, so I'm not going to add it to the media link above). 21:22:31 The reason for it is to build an operating system out of individually well-tested components, rather than the build-it-yourself approach of Fedora today. 21:22:48 * build an operating system suited for your specific needs 21:23:29 For an indeterminate amount of time, this will be delivered as an alternative to the present-day Server Edition. 21:23:48 As such, we need to call it something, and I'm morally opposed to langdon's placeholder "Crazy Server" 21:24:07 i did the sys wide change "Modular Server Preview" 21:24:10 OK, level-set complete 21:24:12 although it does have a certain ring to it 21:24:14 was that not "cool" enough? 21:24:21 urBikeShed 21:24:22 Fedora Autobot! 21:24:34 nirik: If that wouldn't get us sued, I rather like that one... 21:24:43 Fedora Voltron would be more accurate! 21:24:50 and as long as it's not a decepticon. ;) 21:24:51 Fedora Boltron 21:25:07 Bolting together parts to make the system of your needs 21:25:08 langdon: Modular is neither descriptive enough nor "active" enough, IMHO 21:25:11 Fedorastiens monster? no, thats a bit negative 21:25:17 * langdon mutters "i am sure some people will see it as decepticon" ;( 21:25:36 "Fedora Served", heh 21:25:40 lol 21:25:59 Fedora Unit Block (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_block) 21:26:00 The Island of Dr. Fedora? 21:26:08 Fedorad -- replacing all your spins 21:26:18 but it's too tied to English 21:26:31 Right, that's another thing: we need something that we can translate 21:26:47 or something clearly not meant to be translated 21:27:13 langdon: What I'm looking for is something that catches the attention enough that people want to learn more. "Modular" to me just sounds like buzzword-generator. 21:27:41 sgallagh, ack.. that makes sense to me 21:27:53 i guess there wasnt enough level setting for me ;) 21:28:07 (Side-note: I wonder if we could replace "Module Build Service" with "Fedora Haberdashery" ;-) ) 21:28:17 just to be clear.. I have been serious about urBikeShed, Fedora Boltron and Fedorad 21:28:32 smooge: Duly noted 21:28:36 do we want something like Boltron? or something more "technical" a la "Server" 21:28:57 * langdon really doesn't have a clue and stinks at naming.. see "Modularity" as example 1 21:29:27 Boltron actually does have an interesting sound to it (and it's a nonsense word, so it would be carried directly rather than translated) 21:29:53 Instead of Crazy Server: MadHatter? 21:29:56 smooge, why "B"? popped in to your head? or something i am missing? 21:30:10 smooge, ooo.. i like that .. but see example 1 ;) 21:30:34 langdon: "(04:25:07 PM) smooge: Bolting together parts to make the system of your needs" 21:30:38 Well the idea of bolts tieing parts together gave a solidity 21:30:47 sorry.. missed that 21:30:50 np 21:31:26 i like the "voltron" being the sum greater than the parts.. so the combo is pretty good 21:31:27 (Frankly, this one is really growing on me; even if we don't go with it ultimately, I'm using it as a codename) 21:31:36 sgallagh, boltron? 21:31:39 Yes 21:32:34 It also tied into the Fedora-stein in that instead of having a lion or vehicle combo robot you could have something with bolts coming out the neck 21:32:43 /me snickers 21:32:59 as long as it isn't langdon-stein ;) 21:33:18 smooge: Yeah, there's a lot of logo possibility here as well. 21:33:23 * nirik likes Boltron too 21:33:29 /me keeps waiting for others to disagree... 21:33:36 I could live with Boltron 21:33:44 langdon, I was actually going to base the image off of you 21:33:48 not everything needs to be well thought-out and sane 21:33:59 my only problem with "boltron" is it kind sounds like "bolt on" .. but meh 21:34:10 langdon: So it's also accurate? 21:34:14 well isn't what this is? bolt on 21:34:18 sgallagh, lol harsh 21:34:43 "bolt on" for me has a negative connotation .. like "not really a part just tagged on the side" .. but maybe that is just me? 21:35:17 Proposal: Entrusted by the alliance with the ancient secret of how to assemble, Boltron: Defender of Fedora is born. 21:35:27 NICE 21:36:56 2 21:36:57 +1 21:37:07 +1 from me as well 21:37:19 +1 21:37:21 that's a US specific pop culture reference ? 21:37:30 * langdon doesn't know if he has a vote 21:37:36 misc: Well, that sentence is. 21:37:45 misc: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Voltron:_Defender_of_the_Universe 21:38:05 +1 21:38:20 sure, +1. we should avoid getting sued, but otherwise fine. 21:38:31 though me wonders if there would be an acronym that would work. I just cant come up with one right now 21:38:32 nirik: If the lawyers flag it down, we'll address it at that time 21:38:42 no acronym please 21:38:45 langdon, I understand the idea you have but I bolt on is also used in reference to how you attach a water holder on a bike or other tools 21:39:14 smooge, ahh ok.. so mostly just me then ;) 21:39:33 #agreed Entrusted by the alliance with the ancient secret of how to assemble, Boltron: Defender of Fedora is born. 21:39:48 ha 21:39:58 #topic Open Floor 21:39:59 i would like to see someone reading the minutes.. 21:40:15 langdon: That's partly why I stuck that in there. To see if anyone ever reads them :) 21:40:50 :) 21:41:28 Next week I will be traveling for DevConf.cz and will not be available to run the meeting. 21:41:37 Does anyone want to volunteer to do so, or shall we skip? 21:41:37 same here 21:42:30 I will be away in two weeks 21:44:17 nirik, smooge: What does your schedule look like? 21:44:25 * nirik should be around 21:44:33 but if everyone else is gone, perhaps we should punt.. 21:46:57 OK, I'm not hearing anyone excited to run it next week 21:47:15 #info No meeting on 2017-01-24 21:47:41 I'll aim to run one on the 31st and see who shows up 21:47:44 I would be here next week 21:48:16 however I believe it would just be me and nirik while the cool kids are partying in Prague 21:48:26 boogying in brno 21:48:41 a bit of a side bar on boltron ... where should we "publish" that? promote it? 21:48:54 run it by the designers first? 21:48:55 first person would be Mo 21:49:20 we need to get a graphic and then we tell the bosses 21:49:34 i thought mo was the boss? 21:49:42 the Boss 21:49:49 versus bosses 21:49:59 the capitalization is important 21:50:16 gotcha! 21:50:49 Probably we should take it to the Council first 21:51:15 sgallagh, good point.. 21:51:29 i could file a ticket on behalf of server? 21:51:32 They may just decide to shatter our hopes and dreams 21:51:35 langdon: Much appreciated 21:51:37 or on behalf of modularity? 21:51:40 or both? 21:51:52 #action langdon To bring up the Boltron name with Fedora Council. 21:52:00 langdon: Both, I would think 21:52:09 ack.. 21:53:41 Anything else here, or shall I close the meeting out? 21:54:20 Going once 21:54:44 Going twice 21:55:00 #endmeeting