10:53:55 <riecatnor> #startmeeting Fedora Badges
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10:54:04 <riecatnor> #meetingname Fedora Badges
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10:54:15 <riecatnor> .hello riecatnor
10:54:16 <zodbot> riecatnor: riecatnor 'None' <riecatnor@gmail.com>
10:54:22 <mleonova> .hello mleonova
10:54:23 <zodbot> mleonova: mleonova 'Maria Leonova' <mleonova@redhat.com>
10:54:34 <riecatnor> any one else here for the meeting?
10:54:58 <riecatnor> guess not :P
10:55:07 <riecatnor> how is it going with the new interns mleonova
10:55:29 <mleonova> riecatnor, oh, it's great! they picked up come conference badges
10:55:41 <mleonova> we fixed the LISA badge
10:55:50 <mleonova> not sure if it was pusshed yet
10:55:53 <riecatnor> nice, thanks for doing that
10:56:01 <mleonova> =)
10:56:01 <riecatnor> are they working on other stuff besides badges
10:56:33 <mleonova> riecatnor, they just come for couple hours a week. so not too much. modry helps out with fedora dice though
10:56:44 <mleonova> he cam eto the design meeting last week
10:56:47 <riecatnor> whats fedora dice?
10:57:08 <mleonova> oh, there's a request to do some dice for the conference as swag. sec
10:57:16 <riecatnor> oooo lol cool
10:57:24 <mleonova> https://pagure.io/design/issue/503
10:57:32 <mleonova> like a random number generator
10:57:44 <riecatnor> I saw your email, is their anything in particular you need my help with? or were you just catching me up to speed
10:58:08 <mleonova> riecatnor, I was just writing down things that need to be looked at
10:58:17 <mleonova> so you and I won't forget
10:58:40 <mleonova> 1 thing that's bothering me right now is that people can't assign tickets to themselves
10:59:12 <riecatnor> I have it up
10:59:21 <riecatnor> have you had a chance to talk with sayan about any of this?
10:59:25 <mleonova> eg on fedora design pagure you can see a 'take' button
10:59:38 <mleonova> no, I tried to ping him couple of times, but he wasn't around
10:59:44 <riecatnor> oh ok, cool, so we need that to be added to our page then
11:00:06 <mleonova> yeah
11:00:42 <riecatnor> ok, well since you have been using it with the interns more than me, I support all these things you want done. Whats the best way to make that happen? should we create a ticket?
11:01:10 <mleonova> I guess =) let's!
11:01:32 <mleonova> it'll be good for tracking progress
11:02:05 <riecatnor> would you like to make it since you have first hand experience with these issues?
11:02:11 <riecatnor> i think this should go on the infra pagure?
11:02:20 <riecatnor> that part i am not sure on
11:02:31 <mleonova> uhm.. let's see
11:04:47 <mleonova> probably yes
11:05:27 <riecatnor> okay
11:05:45 <riecatnor> whenever you get a chance, I’d say these issues are relatively simple to fix and will make using it easier for all :)
11:05:56 <mleonova> ok)
11:06:16 <riecatnor> have you had a chance to work on the front page summary for pagure?
11:06:26 <riecatnor> badges on pagure*
11:06:33 <mleonova> a bit) it's short, so not much work
11:06:40 <riecatnor> gotcha
11:06:47 <mleonova> you can see in that google doc all the way at the bottom
11:06:57 <riecatnor> oh let me seeee.. gotta find it :P
11:07:06 <mleonova> I copied some stuff from fedora design and added a bit more about nadges
11:07:11 <mleonova> *badges
11:07:34 <riecatnor> hmm can you share it with me again
11:07:41 <mleonova> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cfaNnUjNaBQYWiaIb7YJrs_hpNB3OFOtkj7fBRIZBkA/edit?usp=sharing
11:08:58 <riecatnor> OK, I see here
11:09:43 <riecatnor> This is a good start! I think it could use some more info tho for sure.
11:10:27 <riecatnor> Thanks for copying in all this info
11:10:35 <riecatnor> it will be helpful for my project too
11:10:51 <mleonova> I wanted it to be short and sweet  - we can add more info to the wiki
11:12:36 <mleonova> what do you think should be added?
11:13:40 <riecatnor> I think perhaps the process of how it works, some guidelines etc who to contact
11:13:53 <riecatnor> for example this one is short but helpful: https://pagure.io/communityblog-images
11:14:25 <mleonova> short? :D
11:14:32 <riecatnor> hahah ok maybe not that short
11:14:44 <riecatnor> i have an idea
11:14:52 <riecatnor> lets get to work on what needs to be done for the wiki page
11:14:58 <riecatnor> that should help us build this one
11:15:06 <mleonova> ok)
11:15:17 <riecatnor> my concern with having a super short description is that people will not feel enabled to work
11:15:19 <riecatnor> on the project
11:15:37 <riecatnor> yes the wiki page will be there but imo its not as welcoming
11:15:50 <riecatnor> ok so here is the page
11:15:51 <riecatnor> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Open_Badges
11:16:33 <riecatnor> let’s go section by section
11:16:47 <riecatnor> so the first section is just a general Fedora Badges
11:16:52 <riecatnor> what can we improve/change here
11:17:29 <riecatnor> so here we should add some general stuff. like the style guide
11:17:34 <riecatnor> and our tutorial
11:17:52 <riecatnor> where should i host that? on a pagure issue perhaps
11:17:56 * mleonova is loking
11:17:59 <mleonova> looking
11:19:11 <riecatnor> it seems like the rules repo, png and svg repo are not being used currently
11:20:03 <mleonova> where are you looking at those?
11:20:32 <riecatnor> first section “Fedora Open Badges:
11:20:33 <riecatnor> “
11:21:01 <riecatnor> would i be correct in guessing that we now host them on pagure? I am not sure how the development storage side of badges really works
11:21:23 <mleonova> honestly, me neither
11:21:25 <riecatnor> btw I am also taking notes in the doc on different things for your reference
11:21:26 <riecatnor> lol :P
11:21:43 <riecatnor> so I am already sensing that we will need a developer to come in and update some of this too
11:21:56 <riecatnor> our reference **
11:21:59 <mleonova> =)
11:22:15 <mleonova> yeah! sayan where are you =)
11:22:36 <riecatnor> ok so lets ignore that.. what else should be added to this beginning section
11:23:13 <riecatnor> i think a blurb like, we have over 200 badges and growing
11:23:19 <riecatnor> its a great place for newbie designers to start
11:23:20 <riecatnor> etc
11:23:30 <riecatnor> do you have any additions?
11:23:43 <mleonova> so the stuff we wrote for the blog?
11:24:02 <riecatnor> for the commops blog?
11:24:13 <mleonova> yeah
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11:25:22 <riecatnor> sort of, i think it should be a bit more formal than the blog post
11:25:53 <mleonova> ok
11:26:02 <riecatnor> i just feel like this wiki page is skin and bones and could also be more inviting
11:26:18 <riecatnor> ok so documention section
11:26:24 <riecatnor> documentation*
11:26:27 <mleonova> that is very true!
11:26:54 <riecatnor> I will probably borrow a lot from ralph beans intro we have copied into this doc :)
11:27:25 <mleonova> hehe =)
11:27:25 <riecatnor> once again i think a developer needs to chime in on this section
11:27:42 <mleonova> also there is "Activate project documentation " in pagure settings, wonder what it does
11:27:52 <riecatnor> do you think we need to add anything here?
11:28:03 <riecatnor> maybe the style guide and tutorial should actually go here
11:28:04 <riecatnor> ?
11:28:24 <mleonova> maybe! I could activate it and we'll see what happens
11:28:59 <riecatnor> well, I am not sure we should put the style guide/tutorial in every section
11:29:12 <riecatnor> thats what im trying to decide with you
11:29:27 <mleonova> https://pagure.io/Fedora-Badges/settings - so many interesting things here
11:29:39 <mleonova> what do you mean in every section?
11:30:28 <riecatnor> so we just spoke about the beginning section of the wiki, and said to put the style guide there.. now i see this documentation section and i was asking if we should instead put these resources there instead
11:30:39 <riecatnor> so meaning, it doesnt need to be linked to in every section of this wiki page
11:30:41 <mleonova> oh, I see
11:30:43 <riecatnor> so we should decide where
11:31:04 <riecatnor> oh that page is interesting
11:31:20 <mleonova> of course! I didn't mean wiki documentation, I meant pagure
11:31:58 * riecatnor is getting confused
11:32:25 <riecatnor> aren’t we looking at the wiki page?
11:32:43 <mleonova> we are, I got distracted, sorry
11:32:59 <mleonova> let's continue
11:33:37 <riecatnor> ok so for the documentation section
11:33:48 <riecatnor> i see what the developer ghosts of the past have put here is pretty weak
11:33:52 <riecatnor> they need to jump in here too
11:33:54 <riecatnor> perhaps sayan
11:34:05 <riecatnor> the question i have is do we want to add anything here
11:34:55 <mleonova> for example?
11:35:31 <riecatnor> for example the tutorial/style guide
11:36:43 <riecatnor> ok maybe a better way to do this is to ask.. what do we want to put on this page. lets forget about going section by section. what do we absolutely need here
11:37:19 <riecatnor> to make getting involved in badges easier and work well with the pagure page
11:37:30 <mleonova> absolutely need the links to fedora badges, to pagure, to design resources, new badge guie + tut
11:37:38 <mleonova> *I think
11:37:56 <riecatnor> ok anything else?
11:38:07 <mleonova> and then some dev info
11:38:24 <riecatnor> i think we absolutely need a welcoming introduction and breakdown of how to get involved
11:38:31 <mleonova> true!
11:38:43 <riecatnor> I know we have the style guide and tutorial
11:38:46 <riecatnor> but lets be honest
11:38:56 <riecatnor> not everyone will open it
11:38:58 <riecatnor> just straight up.
11:39:03 <mleonova> right
11:39:12 <riecatnor> we have seen it because people come back with badge designs that are like whaaa? did you even look
11:39:27 <riecatnor> so i think we also need a design area on this wiki page
11:39:34 <riecatnor> that lists really obvious dos and dont
11:39:34 <riecatnor> s
11:39:45 <mleonova> sounds good
11:40:17 <riecatnor> what else should the design area include
11:40:23 <riecatnor> maybe some examples
11:40:46 <riecatnor> dimensions of the badges
11:40:58 <mleonova> yeah, and we need to mention that new inkscape has changed resolution
11:41:05 <riecatnor> wait whattt
11:41:06 <riecatnor> lol
11:41:10 <mleonova> so people should look out for that
11:41:15 <riecatnor> I am not aware of this
11:41:19 <riecatnor> how does it effect usage
11:41:22 <mleonova> they went 96->90 dpi or smt
11:41:48 <riecatnor> so when exporting to make sure that its 256x256?
11:42:00 <mleonova> so when you open a file it pops up a warning. and then when you export png, you need to check the size really careful
11:42:04 <mleonova> yeah
11:42:12 <mleonova> *ly
11:42:33 <riecatnor> ok, i will add that as well
11:42:54 <riecatnor> anything else that really needs to go on this site
11:42:57 <riecatnor> page*
11:43:14 <riecatnor> do you see that “old ideas” section
11:43:19 <riecatnor> can we get rid of this?
11:43:22 <mleonova> yes
11:43:42 <riecatnor> a lot of those ideas have been done already, and this is soooo old
11:44:01 <riecatnor> i think perhaps we should put in a banner too
11:44:01 <mleonova> I think it would be good if you put the page together and then we can see what's missing
11:44:10 <mleonova> banner's good!
11:44:33 <riecatnor> right, well i sat down to work on it and was like what am i even doing with this. it just seemed so outdated
11:44:41 <riecatnor> i do have a better idea of what we are trying ti accomplish now
11:44:48 <riecatnor> to*
11:44:55 <mleonova> and then we can also ask for ideas in the mailing list
11:45:01 <riecatnor> lol
11:45:01 <mleonova> cool)
11:45:45 <riecatnor> I think its also a struggle because from the development side I am not sure what needs to be added as far as pagure or how that side of it works at all
11:45:50 <riecatnor> its an important part
11:46:12 <riecatnor> so maybe i just need to add a few things here or there and then make a nice detailed design section
11:46:16 <riecatnor> and forget the rest
11:46:32 <mleonova> ok!
11:46:32 <riecatnor> someone from that side needs to update that
11:46:54 <mleonova> absolutely agree with you on that
11:47:17 <riecatnor> ok so i have my work cut out for me
11:47:25 <riecatnor> ill take a closer look at your intro section as well
11:47:45 <riecatnor> can you please make that pagure issue outlining the different things we need for the badges pagure page?
11:47:58 <mleonova> of course!
11:48:02 <riecatnor> okay, great
11:48:06 <mleonova> =)
11:48:08 <riecatnor> I gotta go shovel my car out :P
11:48:18 <mleonova> ugh, good luck
11:48:19 <riecatnor> and go 5mph to work lol
11:48:22 <riecatnor> yep!
11:48:27 <riecatnor> thanks for coming!
11:48:28 <mleonova> be super careful!!
11:48:30 <riecatnor> #endmeeting