17:05:43 <roshi> #startmeeting atomic_wg
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17:05:48 <roshi> #topic Roll Call
17:05:53 <jbrooks> .fas jasonbrooks
17:05:54 <zodbot> jbrooks: jasonbrooks 'Jason Brooks' <JBROOKS@REDHAT.COM>
17:05:57 <marc84> hi everyone
17:05:59 <dustymabe> .hellomynameis dustymabe
17:06:00 <zodbot> dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' <dustymabe@redhat.com>
17:06:00 <roshi> who's around for some cloutomicness?
17:06:03 <dustymabe> hi marc84
17:06:05 <roshi> .hello roshi
17:06:05 <zodbot> roshi: roshi 'Mike Ruckman' <mruckman@redhat.com>
17:06:06 <yzhang> .hello yzhang
17:06:08 <zodbot> yzhang: yzhang 'Yu Qi Zhang' <jzehrarnyg@gmail.com>
17:06:15 <dustymabe> marc84: tell us about you :)
17:06:23 <walters> .fas walters
17:06:23 <roshi> welcome marc84 :)
17:06:24 <zodbot> walters: goldwingers 'David Walters' <goldwingers@usa.com> - jvwsaw 'James Walters' <jvwsaw@live.com> - jwalters 'Jake Walters' <jwalters@redhat.com> - jwalters1 '' <admin@frozennorth.biz> - nawalters 'Nathan Walters' <waltersnh@adelphia.net> - jjjwalters '' <jjjwalters@hotmail.com> - walters228 'clinton walters' <walters228@hotmail.com> - whodaimen 'Brian Michael Walters' <whodaimen@gmail.com> - walters 'Colin (1 more message)
17:06:48 <yzhang> it perfectly cuts off at Colin
17:06:57 <yzhang> zodbot++
17:07:05 <dustymabe> .fas cgwalters
17:07:06 <zodbot> dustymabe: 'cgwalters' Not Found!
17:07:11 <dustymabe> :)
17:07:23 <dustymabe> roshi: I have a few topics for right after "action items"
17:07:29 <dustymabe> shouldn't take too long
17:07:43 <marc84> dustymabe: i just observing and learn what is going on fedora cloud
17:07:51 <walters> .hellomynameis walters
17:07:52 <zodbot> walters: walters 'Colin Walters' <walters@redhat.com>
17:08:47 <maxamillion> .hello maxamillion
17:08:47 <nzwulfin> .hello mmicene
17:08:48 <zodbot> maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' <maxamillion@gmail.com>
17:08:50 <zodbot> nzwulfin: mmicene 'Matt Micene' <nzwulfin@gmail.com>
17:08:54 <roshi> sounds good dustymabe
17:09:06 <roshi> #topic Previous Meeting Followup
17:09:08 <roshi> jberkus to schedule a meeting about support policy, rolling upgrades
17:09:12 <roshi> maxamillion to follow-up on fixing ami permissions, links with dgilmore
17:09:15 <roshi> maxamillion to verify if we can change case in koji etc., or fix it if we can't
17:09:20 <roshi> ^^ those are the action items from last time
17:10:04 <roshi> jberkus isn't here, so maxamillion ?
17:10:09 <maxamillion> o/
17:10:22 <jbrooks> roshi, we did that rolling mtg, right?
17:10:31 <dustymabe> jbrooks: we did
17:10:35 <maxamillion> I did follow up with dgilmore, not sure on current status but last I checked it was still in-flight
17:11:03 <roshi> we did
17:11:15 <maxamillion> I haven't had a chance to verify case change in koji because stage koji container builds were busted and that lead down a whole different path
17:11:27 <roshi> yay for yak shaves!
17:11:40 <dustymabe> reaction item for maxamillion
17:11:46 <dustymabe> #action maxamillion to verify if we can change case in koji etc., or fix it if we can't
17:11:49 <maxamillion> yeah, I'll try to get that done soon-ish ... been distracted by things
17:11:53 <maxamillion> +1
17:11:54 <dustymabe> #action maxamillion to follow-up on fixing ami permissions, links with dgilmore
17:11:57 <maxamillion> +1
17:12:02 <maxamillion> sorry about that :/
17:12:02 <roshi> #chair dustymabe maxamillion jbrooks walters
17:12:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: dustymabe jbrooks maxamillion roshi walters
17:12:07 <roshi> sorry forgot to chair people
17:12:13 <dustymabe> ok roshi, I'll take over for a second
17:12:23 <dustymabe> #topic 'rolling release meeting'
17:12:29 <roshi> gotta redo those actions
17:12:33 <roshi> since you didn't have chair
17:12:37 <dustymabe> ahh
17:12:40 <dustymabe> #action maxamillion to verify if we can change case in koji etc., or fix it if we can't
17:12:45 <dustymabe> #action maxamillion to follow-up on fixing ami permissions, links with dgilmore
17:12:50 <dustymabe> ok
17:13:06 <kushal> .hellomynameis kushal
17:13:07 <zodbot> kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' <mail@kushaldas.in>
17:13:08 <kushal> network issue here
17:13:13 <dustymabe> we had a meeting last friday to talk about 'what rolling releases would mean to us'
17:13:19 <dustymabe> summary is here:
17:13:26 <dustymabe> #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/231#comment-432157
17:13:33 <dustymabe> please read and comment on the issue
17:13:49 <dustymabe> i'll also wait a few minutes in case anyone has questions
17:15:48 <dustymabe> ok moving on
17:16:03 <dustymabe> #topic 'meeting about better pungi integration with ostree'
17:16:33 <dustymabe> we had a meeting to talk about some improvements in our releng process to better accomodate ostree
17:16:37 <dustymabe> summary is here:
17:16:53 <dustymabe> #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/260
17:17:22 <dustymabe> this is more of an FYI and really want any input from the community there
17:18:25 <dustymabe> ok set fuse at 30s and turn meeting back over to roshi
17:18:32 * dustymabe sets fuse
17:18:48 <roshi> now you have to do: 30...
17:18:50 <roshi> 29...
17:18:55 <dustymabe> haha
17:18:57 <roshi> etc., etc. :p
17:19:08 <dustymabe> boom
17:19:19 <roshi> ok, onto the agenda items!
17:19:40 <roshi> #topic Label/Comment for primary RPMs
17:19:45 <roshi> #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/254
17:21:13 <dustymabe> roshi: looks like we are waiting for maxamillion investigation
17:21:35 <maxamillion> huh?
17:21:50 <maxamillion> ohhhh right
17:21:56 * roshi has nothing for this
17:21:57 <roshi> yeah
17:21:59 <roshi> seems like
17:22:02 <dustymabe> i was just saying, we probably can move on
17:22:07 <maxamillion> yup
17:22:14 <roshi> #info We're still waiting on information before we can take any action
17:22:30 <roshi> #topic Capitalization in labels
17:22:32 <roshi> #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/253
17:22:41 <maxamillion> same
17:23:09 <dustymabe> yep
17:23:14 <roshi> have we opened the issue with the Atomic CLI folks?
17:23:23 <roshi> that should go in the ticket if it's done already
17:23:38 <dustymabe> i'm not sure if tomas did that yet
17:23:53 <roshi> #info We're also still waiting on information before we can move forward with this item.
17:24:01 <roshi> someone want an action to check onthat?
17:24:21 <dustymabe> roshi: I would prefer to not add anything to my plate
17:24:24 <dustymabe> unfortunately
17:24:37 <roshi> I think that goes for all of us pretty much all of the time :p
17:24:40 <dustymabe> anyone want to pick it up?
17:24:53 <yzhang> I can check on this
17:24:59 <roshi> thanks yzhang
17:25:02 <yzhang> I thought we had a thread somewhere
17:25:02 <dustymabe> yzhang: yay
17:25:05 <yzhang> Looking for it now
17:25:18 <dustymabe> #action yzhang to follow up on atomic CLI task in #253
17:25:26 <roshi> #action yzhang to check on the status of the Atomic CLI ticket mentioned in issue #253
17:25:30 <bowlofeggs> .hello bowlofeggs
17:25:31 <roshi> lol
17:25:31 <zodbot> bowlofeggs: bowlofeggs 'Randy Barlow' <randy@electronsweatshop.com>
17:25:33 <dustymabe> roshi: haha
17:25:35 <yzhang> perhaps my memory is failing me at the ripe age of 22
17:25:37 <dustymabe> bowlofeggs: woot
17:25:40 <roshi> you can drive if you want dustymabe :p
17:25:45 <yzhang> anyways I'll look into it
17:25:53 <roshi> #undo
17:25:53 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by roshi at 17:25:26 : yzhang to check on the status of the Atomic CLI ticket mentioned in issue #253
17:25:58 <roshi> thanks yzhang
17:26:00 <yzhang> np
17:26:01 <roshi> moving on
17:26:19 <roshi> #topic Layerd images as a base for layered builds
17:26:21 <roshi> #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/248
17:28:03 <jbrooks> What do we need to discuss on this one?
17:28:13 <dustymabe> i think that's just a question for maxamillion mainly
17:28:17 <jbrooks> My kube images are layered, currently
17:28:27 <dustymabe> jbrooks: layered on top of fedora:25
17:28:29 <dustymabe> ?
17:28:33 <roshi> everything is a question for maxamillion :p
17:28:48 <jbrooks> there's master and node, and master has 3 children and node has two
17:29:02 <dustymabe> jbrooks: so what does your from line look like?
17:29:23 <jbrooks> FROM registry.fedoraproject.org/f25/kubernetes-master:latest
17:29:32 <maxamillion> sorry
17:29:33 <maxamillion> looking
17:29:41 <jbrooks> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/docker/kubernetes-apiserver.git/tree/Dockerfile?h=f25
17:30:10 <dustymabe> jbrooks: maybe just add that as a comment and ask if that is the correct way we want users to do it in the future?
17:30:26 <dustymabe> i don't know if we need to only support base images that are "certain ones"
17:30:27 <maxamillion> I'll comment in tocket
17:30:28 <maxamillion> ticket*
17:31:57 <jbrooks> pagure seems to have gone down for me mid-ticket update
17:32:06 <dustymabe> jbrooks: software++
17:33:00 <jbrooks> it made it, just some mega lag
17:33:24 <dustymabe> next ticket?
17:33:47 <roshi> sure thing
17:33:56 <roshi> while I grab the link, want to #info dustymabe ?
17:34:47 <roshi> #info jbrooks updated the ticket with an example
17:35:08 <roshi> #topic Atomic host support for older FNN releases
17:35:11 <roshi> #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/228
17:37:23 <roshi> we covered this in the rolling release meeting
17:37:37 <roshi> and like the others, we're still waiting on information to move forward
17:37:40 <roshi> aiui
17:37:40 <roshi> that right?
17:37:49 <jbrooks> Right
17:38:06 <roshi> #info We're still waiting on information to move forward on this
17:38:26 <roshi> #topic fedora-motd F24 Atomic image
17:38:29 <roshi> #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/160
17:39:12 <roshi> this is one that I feel should have gone away a long time ago
17:39:37 <dustymabe> yeah, take the meeting tag off of that for now
17:39:48 <dustymabe> roshi: sorry i was paying attention to the other meeting
17:39:52 <roshi> no worries
17:40:10 <roshi> #info Roshi will take the meeting tag off of this issue, because it doesn't need to be in our meetings
17:40:50 <roshi> #topic FOSP
17:40:53 <roshi> #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/153
17:41:41 <jbrooks> This came up at our team meetings this week, quaid updated the ticket https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/153#comment-432517
17:41:44 <roshi> still waiting on HW to be ready to use?
17:42:11 <jbrooks> But yeah
17:42:24 <maxamillion> hasn't it been like a year waiting on hardware?
17:42:26 <jbrooks> Though we should be getting some better updates shortly
17:42:49 <jbrooks> The hw is there, they were first doing a big migration, it seems to be moving now
17:42:52 <jbrooks> the process
17:43:07 <jbrooks> Karsten is looping Josh in on the deets
17:45:18 <roshi> someone in the know want to #info this?
17:46:03 <jbrooks> #info FOSP hw updates in https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/153#comment-432517
17:46:21 <roshi> thanks jbrooks
17:46:25 <roshi> #topic Open Floor
17:46:30 <roshi> that's all we had for this meeting
17:46:36 <roshi> anyone have something else for Open Floor?
17:47:24 <walters> it seems like we're getting better on f26?
17:47:40 <dustymabe> walters: better on? release engineering?
17:48:13 <walters> i saw dustymabe file a docker bug which seems fairly bad - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1434897 - should we try to track things like this more explicitly?
17:48:16 <dustymabe> FYI our images are building in f26 and I actually got openshift running on our atomic image yesterday
17:48:36 <roshi> we just cut another RC which is going through testing, if that's what you're talking about walters
17:48:40 * walters proposes a naming convention - FAH = Fedora Atomic Host
17:48:49 <walters> with variants like F26AH
17:48:56 <dustymabe> walters: i'm cool with that
17:49:02 <roshi> #info Go/No-go meeting and release readiness meeting is tomorrow (20170323)
17:49:18 <dustymabe> roshi: so Go/No-go doesn't really apply to atomic
17:49:23 <dustymabe> we don't build atomic images for alpha
17:49:30 <dustymabe> it's confusing, I know
17:49:41 <dustymabe> contact me in #fedora-cloud and i'll try to explain
17:49:49 <roshi> right, but it's good info and I presumed that people here might also test other bits of fedora
17:49:59 <dustymabe> roshi: indeed
17:50:14 <dustymabe> i didn't know if you knew, but you know, so I'll shut up
17:50:16 <dustymabe> :)
17:50:20 <roshi> we're low on time and doesn't seem like we have anything else, so I'm gonna set the fuse
17:50:28 <roshi> lol, no worries :)
17:50:31 <dustymabe> roshi: one sec
17:50:38 <roshi> it's safer to assume I don't know :D
17:50:45 <dustymabe> so walters, what do you mean by "track things like this more explicitly"
17:50:50 <dustymabe> like with tests?
17:52:22 <walters> potential freeze exception bugs?
17:52:26 <walters> i'm not sure how to say it
17:52:31 <dustymabe> ahh
17:52:34 <dustymabe> i see
17:52:44 <dustymabe> you mean, these things are important to us before we release F26AH
17:52:48 <dustymabe> a list of those?
17:53:03 <jbrooks> makes sense to have a list of bugs we're keeping a particular eye on here in the WG
17:53:21 <dustymabe> yeah agree
17:53:38 <jbrooks> could help gather testing and eventual karma
17:53:45 <x3mboy> !
17:53:45 <roshi> if it warrants an FE, submit it as such
17:54:07 <dustymabe> I wish that we could just update the description of a pagure issue, but also be able to browse the history of that pagure issue
17:54:14 <x3mboy> .fas x3mboy
17:54:15 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
17:54:34 <dustymabe> walters: we'll track bugs in tracker issues in pagure
17:54:55 <dustymabe> #action, dustymabe to open tracker bug for f26 issues that will be used throughout f26 release
17:55:24 <dustymabe> roshi: I think we need a process that continues even after fedora 26 GA
17:55:28 <dustymabe> since we release FAH every two weeks
17:55:32 <x3mboy> Sorry to interrupt your meeting, I'm coming in representation of marketing team, just to ask for the F26 Talking Points. Can some of you help us with that?
17:55:55 <dustymabe> x3mboy: please reach out to jberkus
17:56:03 <dustymabe> do you need his email addr?
17:56:13 <x3mboy> dustymabe, thanks
17:56:16 <dustymabe> unfortunately he is not in the meeting today
17:56:20 <x3mboy> It will be useful
17:56:30 <x3mboy> Np, I can reach by mail
17:56:45 <dustymabe> actually x3mboy open an issue here https://pagure.io/atomic-wg
17:56:51 <dustymabe> that way we can all follow progress
17:57:06 <x3mboy> dustymabe, ok, Thanks so much
17:57:08 <dustymabe> can you do that ?
17:57:13 <x3mboy> I think so
17:57:14 <dustymabe> x3mboy++
17:57:14 <zodbot> dustymabe: Karma for x3mboy changed to 20 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:57:45 <x3mboy> Opening issue
17:57:47 <x3mboy> eof
17:57:52 <dustymabe> roshi: set fuse time?
17:58:21 <roshi> /me sets
17:58:35 <roshi> 3...
17:58:39 <roshi> thanks for coming folks!
17:58:52 <jbrooks> thanks for hosting, roshi
17:58:53 <marc84> thanks roshi and dustymabe
17:58:54 <yzhang> thanks for hosting roshi
17:59:02 <roshi> 2...
17:59:03 <roshi> np np
17:59:12 * roshi is a pro level meeting jockey :p
17:59:13 <dustymabe> marc84: thanks for coming
17:59:19 <roshi> 1...
17:59:20 <dustymabe> yzhang: thanks for coming :)
17:59:24 <roshi> #endmeeting