17:00:17 #startmeeting F27 Server Beta Go/No-Go meeting 17:00:17 Meeting started Thu Oct 12 17:00:17 2017 UTC. The chair is jkurik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:17 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:17 The meeting name has been set to 'f27_server_beta_go/no-go_meeting' 17:00:23 #meetingname F27-Server-Beta-Go-No-Go-meeting 17:00:23 The meeting name has been set to 'f27-server-beta-go-no-go-meeting' 17:00:25 hey 17:00:31 .hello2 17:00:31 #topic Roll Call 17:00:32 langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' 17:00:33 .hello psabata 17:00:34 contyk: psabata 'Petr Šabata' 17:00:38 .hello jkurik 17:00:41 jkurik: jkurik 'Jan Kurik' 17:00:48 #chair dgilmore nirik adamw sgallagh mboddu langdon 17:00:48 Current chairs: adamw dgilmore jkurik langdon mboddu nirik sgallagh 17:00:55 .hello mohanboddu 17:00:56 mboddu: mohanboddu 'Mohan Boddu' 17:01:04 hi contyk, langdon, mboddu 17:01:16 .hello2 17:01:17 sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' 17:01:17 morning 17:01:21 this will be short :) 17:01:42 we can make it long! 17:01:47 we need someone from QA 17:01:54 adamw, kparal ? 17:01:58 hola 17:02:03 jkurik: they are a no-go.. they have no rc to qa 17:02:08 adamw sends hi appologies 17:02:32 but without a RC we are stuck 17:02:57 I have not seen adamw's appologies 17:03:11 ok, so moving on without QA 17:03:20 #topic Purpose of this meeting 17:03:30 #info Purpose of this meeting is to check whether or not F27 Server Beta is ready for shipment, according to the release criteria. 17:03:33 jkurik: he sent it to me via telegram 17:03:39 #info This is determined in a few ways: 17:03:42 jkurik: I was giving it for him 17:03:52 dgilmore: ok, thanks for passing the info 17:04:00 #info * Release candidate compose is available 17:04:05 #info * No remaining blocker bugs 17:04:11 #info * Test matrices for Beta are fully completed 17:04:16 #topic Current status 17:04:22 As far as I am aware, the RC for F27 Server Beta is not yet ready. 17:04:26 As such, we do not have test matrices for the RC. 17:04:28 jkurik: correct 17:04:33 The lastest F27 nightly compose is available at https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/Fedora-Modular-27-20171011.n.0/compose/Server/ 17:04:38 oops.. you were listing the pain points 17:04:48 Anyone wants to add/correct something ? 17:05:04 langdon: what do you mean ? 17:05:11 jkurik: We have some pieces to get into place to make the f27 nightlies more correct 17:05:19 there's still some work that needs to be done 17:05:26 ah, ok 17:05:48 get them on the mirrors and updateable 17:05:54 I can list what I'm aware of but not everything is currently tracked in tickets 17:06:01 jkurik: i thought you were "asking" about the rc vs "stating the list of blockers" 17:06:06 #info The RC for F27 Server Beta is not yet ready. 17:06:44 and.. im having some trouble with my reading abilities 17:07:13 if (heh) we're no-go today, are we postponing this to next week? 17:07:27 ok, so I am not going to put the link into minutes 17:07:49 contyk: wait a while, there is an order :-) 17:07:52 contyk: standard process is slip everything a week 17:08:09 * contyk should have gone somewhere warm ;) 17:08:23 #topic Mini-Blocker Review 17:08:39 I am proposing to skip this as there is no RC and no QA representative 17:08:48 +1 17:08:55 anyone is oposed and would like to lead the review ? 17:09:12 do we have blockers tracked in teh blocker bugs app? 17:09:22 +1 to skipping this but I wouldn't mind an action (even for myself) tomake sure everything is tracked in a ticket 17:09:26 dgilmore: app? i have some of them in bz 17:09:37 dgilmore: yes, we have, however I am not sure whether we have all of them there 17:09:44 but they are more like the "big ones" not the details 17:09:54 langdon: https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs 17:09:58 langdon: https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/27/beta/buglist 17:10:08 ohh right.. gotcha 17:10:14 jkurik: it should be a seperate milestone 17:10:24 we should not confuse modular and traditional 17:10:39 they are two different things with different blockers and release criteria 17:10:51 dgilmore: I have seen an email from adamw, that the blocker app does not support it and he needs to work on it somehow 17:11:03 jkurik: we also have additions to this in "proposed state" on the wiki.. but we haven't had a chance to get them reviewed.. 17:11:19 jkurik: :( okay 17:12:23 #info The Mini-blocker review is skipped 17:12:39 #topic Test Matrices coverage 17:12:40 #info As there is no RC yet, Test matrices are not ready as well 17:12:42 #info We are skipping the Test Matrices coverage check 17:12:53 #topic Go/No-Go decision 17:13:02 QA is No-Go 17:13:09 I am No-Go 17:13:14 Relng is no go 17:13:19 Releng is no go 17:13:34 sgallagh: you are typically representing FESCo 17:13:52 No go 17:13:57 jkurik: I can spak for FESCo 17:14:02 or sgallagh 17:14:07 dgilmore: ah, yes - sorry 17:14:16 s'all good 17:14:19 well.. sgallagh spoke.. but you can keep spak'ing ;) 17:14:46 langdon: apparently i can not type today 17:14:55 * langdon everyday 17:14:59 I hope it makes people giggle 17:15:10 i did 17:15:18 :D 17:15:21 contyk, langdon: as you are here, may I check with you you are ok with the No-Go decision ? 17:15:39 jkurik: 100% .. but "ok" is not the right word :/ 17:15:42 I would vote no-go myself 17:15:57 * nirik looked away for a minute and we are no go... sheesh. ;) 17:15:58 langdon: yeah 17:15:59 I would also vote for a two week slip :P 17:16:03 we will come back next week and do it again 17:16:20 dgilmore, contyk come on.. we can have faith 17:16:21 proposed #agreed Due to missing RC for the F27 Server Beta release the decision is “No Go”. The F27 Server Beta release slips for one week however due to “Rain date” feature we are not going to slip the Final GA. 17:16:31 may I have your acks, please ? 17:16:38 ack 17:16:45 jkurik: who acks? 17:16:48 langdon: I have faith :) 17:16:51 just the chairs right? 17:16:56 langdon: I have faith it is to say we are go 17:17:01 :P 17:17:05 langdon: This is just for phrasing 17:17:07 So anyone 17:17:15 ack 17:17:27 ack 17:18:18 langdon: we typicaly need QA, RelEng, FESCo and me to ack, but if anyone on this meeting has a better statement, I am fine to rephrase 17:18:42 #agreed Due to missing RC for the F27 Server Beta release the decision is “No Go”. The F27 Server Beta release slips for one week however due to “Rain date” feature we are not going to slip the Final GA. 17:18:49 #action jkurik to publish the Go/No-Go result 17:18:50 jkurik: nope.. the language is good.. i was reading as "ack the stmt" not "ack the wording" 17:18:53 jkurik: re reading 17:19:04 jkurik: I would maybe say we will be taking the rain date 17:19:13 for GA 17:19:17 #undo 17:19:17 Removing item from minutes: ACTION by jkurik at 17:18:49 : jkurik to publish the Go/No-Go result 17:19:18 do we have to yet? 17:19:21 #undo 17:19:25 langdon: yep 17:19:36 that is gonna have a lot of impact 17:20:24 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Langdon/Proposed_Modular_Server_Release 17:20:25 proposed #agreed Due to missing RC for the F27 Server Beta release the decision is “No Go”. The F27 Server Beta release slips for one week. As we are taking the "Rain date" feature we are not going to slip the Final GA. 17:20:36 dgilmore: better ? ^^^ 17:20:42 jkurik: no 17:20:46 :-( 17:21:23 dgilmore: may I ask you to write your proposal then, please ? 17:21:38 proposed #agreed Due to missing RC for the F27 Server Beta release the decision is “No Go”. The F27 Server Beta release slips for one week. With the rain date feature we will move to the "Rain Date" schedule 17:21:42 however 17:21:56 its all awkward 17:22:06 I am not a fan of the whole rain date thing 17:22:12 I think its confusing 17:22:25 let's deliver on Christmas 17:22:43 contyk: Christmas present ? 17:22:51 proposed #agreed Due to missing RC for the F27 Server Beta release the decision is “No Go”. The F27 Server Beta release slips for one week. As a result we move to the "Rain Date" schedule. 17:22:56 or 17:22:58 jkurik: indeed :) 17:23:08 dgilmore: I would state the rain date applies for Beta only 17:23:22 jkurik: there is no rain date in the Beta 17:23:27 jkurik: that is not what he is asking for.. 17:23:35 he wants the ga to move to the rain date 17:23:37 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Langdon/Proposed_Modular_Server_Release 17:23:58 proposed #agreed Due to missing RC for the F27 Server Beta release the decision is “No Go”. The F27 Server Beta release slips for one week. As a result we move to the "Rain Date" schedule which has a new GA date of X/Y/Z. 17:24:07 proposed #agreed Due to missing RC for the F27 Server Beta release the decision is “No Go”. The F27 Server Beta release slips for one week. As a result, we move to the "Rain Date" schedule which has a new GA date of X/Y/Z. 17:24:09 ah, right, there is no rain for Beta 17:24:11 * langdon missed a comma 17:24:21 I am sorry, I was confused... 17:25:04 #agreed Due to missing RC for the F27 Server Beta release the decision is “No Go”. The F27 Server Beta release slips for one week. As a result, we move to the "Rain Date" schedule which has a new GA date of 2017-Dec-12 17:25:31 #action jkurik to organize second round of Go/No-Go meeting for F27 Server Beta on Thursday, October 19th at 17:00UTC 17:25:33 so given we have 5 weeks between Beta Go/NoGo and Final Go/NoGo we mayeb do not need to adjust final 17:25:38 woah 17:25:43 can we vote on that? 17:25:46 normally we have 4 weeks 17:26:03 langdon: on what ? 17:26:09 slipping the ga 17:26:48 langdon: we probably need to redo https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Langdon/Proposed_Modular_Server_Release 17:26:56 and put in freeze points 17:27:29 langdon: that is how we typicaly deal with slips. Changing the schedule needs FESCo approval 17:27:53 langdon: I will reopen the schedule ticket 17:28:42 jkurik: i am fairly sure the slipped beta date did not slip the proposed traditional release date during the first go/nogo 17:28:58 ok, so I will leave it as it is now, and we will let FESCo to adjust on the meeting tomorrow, if needed 17:29:19 yeah, I thought we had a beta 'rain date' too. 17:29:28 langdon: because there was rain date for Beta 17:29:44 for modular server we do not have approved rain date 17:29:45 me too.. i wonder if it got lost in all the rewriting i was doing live in the fesco meeting 17:29:46 for beta 17:30:40 langdon: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/27/Schedule final dates have all moved 17:31:12 meh.. not how i remember it.. not worth arguing about.. 17:31:13 langdon: I think you can ask FESCo to accept a rain date for the modular server beta, on the meeting tomorrow 17:31:48 jkurik: understood 17:31:58 dgilmore: we have slipped multiple times. 17:32:09 if we only slipped one week at beta we could have used the beta rain date 17:32:19 but we slipped 3? or 4? 17:32:25 sure 17:33:09 * langdon is just worried about a hardware snafu in ~dec causing an impact on the rain date 17:33:26 but.. like i said.. meh.. i bet if everything is working we can release early ;) 17:33:45 proposed #info langdon is going to ask FESCo to accept "Rain Date" for F27 Server Beta release to move the F27 Server GA back to 2017-Nov-28 17:33:56 langdon: may I put this into minutes ? ^^^ 17:34:19 jkurik: sure 17:34:27 #info langdon is going to ask FESCo to accept "Rain Date" for F27 Server Beta release to move the F27 Server GA back to 2017-Nov-28 17:34:34 #topic Open floor 17:34:44 https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1775#comment-472252 17:34:46 anything else for today's meeting ? 17:34:53 taken the issue to FESCo 17:35:15 #undo 17:35:15 Removing item from minutes: 17:35:20 #link https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1775#comment-472252 17:35:23 #topic Open floor 17:35:29 dgilmore: thanks 17:35:40 Please be testing all 17:36:18 i have nothing for open floor 17:36:30 * bowlofeggs decides to test dgilmore's patience… 17:36:33 This is fine 17:36:50 ohhh.. do we want to mention bodhi here? 17:36:55 #info please be testing and find all the bugs so they get fixed sooner 17:36:59 as one of the blockers for modular release? 17:37:07 yeah bodhi still isn't quite ready 17:37:10 * dgilmore goes to find the bugs in bodhi to keep bowlofeggs busy :P 17:37:16 i'm actually working on that patch right now, in fact 17:37:26 https://github.com/fedora-infra/bodhi/pull/1697 17:37:31 i think it's pretty close 17:37:37 but there are still some loose ends to tie 17:37:42 there is a bz blocking the change.. so it is tracked.. but we didn't mention it.. that's all 17:37:54 it's reasonable to think we might could get this released early next week 17:38:04 dgilmore: :) 17:38:52 #link https://github.com/fedora-infra/bodhi/pull/1697 - a Bodhi issue blocking the F27 Server Beta release 17:38:53 i am actually having the team make sure there are bugs and how to fix them on everything we know about so we can better ask for help 17:39:09 dgilmore: ^^ 17:39:18 i will help make sure there are bugs 17:39:29 * bowlofeggs goes to write True = False in bodhi's __init__.py… 17:39:29 langdon: excellent 17:40:00 always that chicken and egg problem of .. do you spend time fixing bugs or spend time making it so other people can fix bugs 17:40:16 langdon: both :D 17:40:36 * langdon looks for dgilmore's time machine in scrollback 17:40:50 In case no one has anything else, I am going to close the meeting in one minute 17:40:57 +1 17:41:18 langdon: i borrowed it from hermione 17:41:27 its small you will have to come here 17:42:02 ha 17:42:04 #endmeeting