21:00:47 <smooge> #startmeeting fedora-server
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21:00:47 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-server'
21:00:47 <smooge> #meetingname fedora-server
21:00:47 <smooge> #chair smooge nirik sgallagh adamw langdon
21:00:47 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-server'
21:00:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw langdon nirik sgallagh smooge
21:00:47 <smooge> #topic Hellos
21:00:56 <langdon> .hello2
21:01:00 <zodbot> langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' <langdon@redhat.com>
21:02:34 <smooge> I am wondering if it is just you and me
21:02:55 <smooge> which in case.. I think I will just put up an agenda and we can close the meeting for next time
21:04:46 <smooge> #topic Agenda
21:04:46 <smooge> #info AArch64 release blocking
21:04:46 <smooge> #info Modularity Proposal
21:05:00 <smooge> #info No one is really here so this would have been the agenda
21:05:17 <mjwolf> .hello2 mjwolf
21:05:21 <zodbot> mjwolf: mjwolf 'Michael Wolf' <mjw@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
21:05:29 <smooge> #chain mjwolf
21:05:43 <smooge> #chair mjwolf
21:05:44 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw langdon mjwolf nirik sgallagh smooge
21:06:01 <smooge> I am glad that #chain doesn't do anything
21:06:23 <langdon> I think you meant #blockchain!
21:07:23 <smooge> #meetingname serversig
21:07:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'serversig'
21:07:47 <smooge> langdon, even I am not that crazy
21:08:11 <langdon> ha
21:08:22 <smooge> ok so today we were looking to see if there were any problems or -1 to having aarch64 as a blocking criteria
21:08:57 <smooge> I don't think there are enough people here to make that decision so will not put that up to a vote.
21:09:09 <smooge> Does anyone have any comments on the thread which should be in the meeting notes?
21:09:59 <smooge> langdon, did you get a keyboard?
21:10:08 <smooge> and do you want to present or do you want to do that next week?
21:10:21 <langdon> almost
21:10:46 <langdon> ok
21:10:54 <langdon> now w/ keyboard.. (vs mobile)
21:11:20 <smooge> #topic Modularity Proposal
21:11:20 <smooge> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/F28AddonModularity
21:11:29 <smooge> now with more Langdon
21:11:39 <langdon> well.. faster typing at least
21:11:58 <langdon> so.. we have proposed a change that we are loosely referring to as "add on modularity"
21:12:13 <langdon> where it is a much less invasive and more maintable version of modularity..
21:12:36 <langdon> we give up some niceties that we weren't entirely honoring anyway but we think it is a more viable option
21:12:59 <langdon> if you have no background, i recommend reading sgallagh's post to the community blog /me digs for link
21:13:07 <langdon> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/modularity-dead-long-live-modularity/
21:13:23 <langdon> lwn also covered the changes but at a higher level
21:13:47 <langdon> i will also be giving a preso on it at devconf in a few weeks with nirik and sgallagh providing a deeper version as well
21:13:52 <smooge> this looked like a more workable hell^wideal
21:13:58 <langdon> ha
21:14:46 <langdon> yeah.. i think given the inabilty to sufficiently support a) a clean base-runtime/gen-core/platform&host module and b) not being able to articulate a maintainable "everything else module"
21:15:45 <langdon> we get something nice in the middle.. traditional fedora that we can make alternate versions of things available without having to enable x # of repos (1 per tool) and rational testing/checking to make sure the different versions of things will actually work
21:17:34 <langdon> questions? thoughts? anyone already up to speed?
21:17:52 <smooge> yeah.. the only way I could see the other way working was through a ground up building of an OS
21:18:25 <smooge> I don't have any thoughts beyond I look forward to seeing what comes up at beta or so
21:18:40 <langdon> cool
21:19:06 <langdon> i would really like to have a version people can play with soon.. targeting before devconf so i can demo it :)
21:19:35 <smooge> that would be even better.. I hear at devconf.. developers who might be interested are likely to be there
21:19:50 <langdon> could be! :)
21:20:37 <smooge> but having never been.. it is like Brobdingnag or Lilliput
21:20:59 <langdon> :)
21:21:52 <smooge> ok
21:22:06 <smooge> is there much more on this?
21:22:19 <smooge> as in "I need someone to do X?"
21:22:59 <langdon> well.. we would like to have people working on modules again.. but i was planning to connect to them individually
21:23:18 <langdon> basically, a modulemd file from before, with some deleting, should just work
21:25:03 <langdon> but i am not sure we have anywhere to test it against until we have some changes from rel-eng
21:25:13 <smooge> ok
21:25:51 <smooge> I am guessing that will happen around devconf?
21:27:23 <langdon> yeah.. probably.. i would hope for before but probably not realistic
21:27:31 <smooge> ok I am going to move to open floor and close this out for this week
21:27:46 <smooge> thank you langdon for the last minute presentation
21:27:50 <smooge> #topic Open Floor
21:27:50 <langdon> no worries
21:28:05 <smooge> Anything for the serversig open floor or I can close this out?
21:30:21 <smooge> ok nothing more so good night folks
21:30:24 <smooge> #endmeeting