21:00:47 <smooge> #startmeeting fedora-server 21:00:47 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jan 9 21:00:47 2018 UTC. The chair is smooge. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:47 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:47 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-server' 21:00:47 <smooge> #meetingname fedora-server 21:00:47 <smooge> #chair smooge nirik sgallagh adamw langdon 21:00:47 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-server' 21:00:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw langdon nirik sgallagh smooge 21:00:47 <smooge> #topic Hellos 21:00:56 <langdon> .hello2 21:01:00 <zodbot> langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' <langdon@redhat.com> 21:02:34 <smooge> I am wondering if it is just you and me 21:02:55 <smooge> which in case.. I think I will just put up an agenda and we can close the meeting for next time 21:04:46 <smooge> #topic Agenda 21:04:46 <smooge> #info AArch64 release blocking 21:04:46 <smooge> #info Modularity Proposal 21:05:00 <smooge> #info No one is really here so this would have been the agenda 21:05:17 <mjwolf> .hello2 mjwolf 21:05:21 <zodbot> mjwolf: mjwolf 'Michael Wolf' <mjw@linux.vnet.ibm.com> 21:05:29 <smooge> #chain mjwolf 21:05:43 <smooge> #chair mjwolf 21:05:44 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw langdon mjwolf nirik sgallagh smooge 21:06:01 <smooge> I am glad that #chain doesn't do anything 21:06:23 <langdon> I think you meant #blockchain! 21:07:23 <smooge> #meetingname serversig 21:07:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'serversig' 21:07:47 <smooge> langdon, even I am not that crazy 21:08:11 <langdon> ha 21:08:22 <smooge> ok so today we were looking to see if there were any problems or -1 to having aarch64 as a blocking criteria 21:08:57 <smooge> I don't think there are enough people here to make that decision so will not put that up to a vote. 21:09:09 <smooge> Does anyone have any comments on the thread which should be in the meeting notes? 21:09:59 <smooge> langdon, did you get a keyboard? 21:10:08 <smooge> and do you want to present or do you want to do that next week? 21:10:21 <langdon> almost 21:10:46 <langdon> ok 21:10:54 <langdon> now w/ keyboard.. (vs mobile) 21:11:20 <smooge> #topic Modularity Proposal 21:11:20 <smooge> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/F28AddonModularity 21:11:29 <smooge> now with more Langdon 21:11:39 <langdon> well.. faster typing at least 21:11:58 <langdon> so.. we have proposed a change that we are loosely referring to as "add on modularity" 21:12:13 <langdon> where it is a much less invasive and more maintable version of modularity.. 21:12:36 <langdon> we give up some niceties that we weren't entirely honoring anyway but we think it is a more viable option 21:12:59 <langdon> if you have no background, i recommend reading sgallagh's post to the community blog /me digs for link 21:13:07 <langdon> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/modularity-dead-long-live-modularity/ 21:13:23 <langdon> lwn also covered the changes but at a higher level 21:13:47 <langdon> i will also be giving a preso on it at devconf in a few weeks with nirik and sgallagh providing a deeper version as well 21:13:52 <smooge> this looked like a more workable hell^wideal 21:13:58 <langdon> ha 21:14:46 <langdon> yeah.. i think given the inabilty to sufficiently support a) a clean base-runtime/gen-core/platform&host module and b) not being able to articulate a maintainable "everything else module" 21:15:45 <langdon> we get something nice in the middle.. traditional fedora that we can make alternate versions of things available without having to enable x # of repos (1 per tool) and rational testing/checking to make sure the different versions of things will actually work 21:17:34 <langdon> questions? thoughts? anyone already up to speed? 21:17:52 <smooge> yeah.. the only way I could see the other way working was through a ground up building of an OS 21:18:25 <smooge> I don't have any thoughts beyond I look forward to seeing what comes up at beta or so 21:18:40 <langdon> cool 21:19:06 <langdon> i would really like to have a version people can play with soon.. targeting before devconf so i can demo it :) 21:19:35 <smooge> that would be even better.. I hear at devconf.. developers who might be interested are likely to be there 21:19:50 <langdon> could be! :) 21:20:37 <smooge> but having never been.. it is like Brobdingnag or Lilliput 21:20:59 <langdon> :) 21:21:52 <smooge> ok 21:22:06 <smooge> is there much more on this? 21:22:19 <smooge> as in "I need someone to do X?" 21:22:59 <langdon> well.. we would like to have people working on modules again.. but i was planning to connect to them individually 21:23:18 <langdon> basically, a modulemd file from before, with some deleting, should just work 21:25:03 <langdon> but i am not sure we have anywhere to test it against until we have some changes from rel-eng 21:25:13 <smooge> ok 21:25:51 <smooge> I am guessing that will happen around devconf? 21:27:23 <langdon> yeah.. probably.. i would hope for before but probably not realistic 21:27:31 <smooge> ok I am going to move to open floor and close this out for this week 21:27:46 <smooge> thank you langdon for the last minute presentation 21:27:50 <smooge> #topic Open Floor 21:27:50 <langdon> no worries 21:28:05 <smooge> Anything for the serversig open floor or I can close this out? 21:30:21 <smooge> ok nothing more so good night folks 21:30:24 <smooge> #endmeeting