16:30:05 #startmeeting fedora_atomic_wg 16:30:05 Meeting started Wed Jun 20 16:30:05 2018 UTC. 16:30:05 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:30:05 The chair is dustymabe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:30:05 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:30:05 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_atomic_wg' 16:30:09 #topic roll call 16:30:15 .hello2 16:30:16 dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' 16:30:21 .hello2 16:30:22 davdunc: davdunc 'David Duncan' 16:30:36 .hellomynameis kushal 16:30:37 kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' 16:30:54 .hello miabbott 16:30:55 miabbott: miabbott 'Micah Abbott' 16:31:33 .hello sinnykumari 16:31:34 ksinny: sinnykumari 'Sinny Kumari' 16:32:51 #chair davdunc kushal miabbott ksinny jberkus 16:32:51 Current chairs: davdunc dustymabe jberkus ksinny kushal miabbott 16:33:05 .hello walters 16:33:06 .hello jdoss 16:33:06 walters: walters 'Colin Walters' 16:33:10 jdoss: jdoss 'Joe Doss' 16:34:02 #chair walters jdoss jbrooks 16:34:02 Current chairs: davdunc dustymabe jberkus jbrooks jdoss ksinny kushal miabbott walters 16:34:11 .fas jasonbrooks 16:34:11 jbrooks: jasonbrooks 'Jason Brooks' 16:34:11 #topic previous meeting action items 16:34:27 * jdoss to set up time with dustymabe to talk about regular releases for 16:34:29 fedora cloud images 16:34:34 jdoss: ^^ want to talk about that one ? 16:34:52 I have started a thread on the cloud SIG mailing list to open the topic up for discussion 16:35:12 #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/7BFM6OBOVUNVM76LOQQYPXFLTRXHYPA2/ 16:35:19 I need to do a change request form thing on the wiki but I was going to wait until feedback has been gathered on ^ thread. 16:35:43 #info jdoss has started a thread on the cloud SIG mailing list to discuss releasing cloud images more regularly 16:35:50 thanks jdoss ! 16:35:52 .hellomynameis sanja 16:35:54 sanja: sanja 'Sanja Bonic' 16:35:56 sorry, late 16:36:01 no worries :) 16:36:06 we assinged all action items to you ! 16:36:13 assigned* 16:36:25 next action item from last meeting was: 16:36:30 * dusty/ashcrow/sanja try to get community FAQ released around 16:36:32 Atomic/CoreOS future 16:36:38 which leads us into our first topic for the day 16:36:47 #topic Fedora CoreOS Community Announcement 16:36:58 #link http://www.projectatomic.io/blog/2018/06/welcome-to-fedora-coreos/ 16:37:15 We announced the Fedora CoreOS community today 16:37:25 \o/ 16:37:32 Very cool. 16:37:33 there is a FAQ located here: https://coreos.fedoraproject.org/faq 16:37:37 will this meeting be replaced under that new name? 16:37:38 #link https://coreos.fedoraproject.org/faq 16:38:21 beyond the text from the announcement. or the content of the FAQ, does anyone have any questions ? 16:38:31 if you haven't read those yet don't worry 16:38:36 you can still ask questions 16:39:37 There is one question asked by jdoss 16:39:39 will this meeting be replaced under that new name? 16:39:50 oh man - missed that question 16:40:09 srry, was in lunch 16:40:13 jdoss: I'm thinking that would make sense 16:40:16 rubao: hi 16:40:18 #chair rubao 16:40:18 Current chairs: davdunc dustymabe jberkus jbrooks jdoss ksinny kushal miabbott rubao walters 16:40:34 What duties will be required for the transition and how can we help? 16:40:47 Cool. Second what davdunc just asked. 16:40:58 we will need a community meeting time slot. We have not discussed if we should replace this meeting time or not with it 16:41:09 OR if we should run both for some time 16:41:18 +1 to replace / combine 16:41:28 +1 on combine 16:41:34 Rip the bandaid off and just combine them. 16:41:41 I assume that both will run through the release cycle for 29 simultaneously. 16:41:49 * jbrooks wants to get this show on the road 16:41:50 jbrooks: yeah I think it is an attractive option 16:41:54 sanja: is there a separate SilverBlue meeting? 16:42:05 davdunc: for f29 we'll definitely have atomic host 16:42:27 we aren't making any promises for Fedora CoreOS for F29. We'll probably have something but it probably won't be official 16:42:44 jberkus: we do silverblue meetings biweekly on Mondays, alternating with the regular workstation meeting 16:42:46 * jdoss is def interested in unoffical Fedora CoreOS 16:42:52 We can add a ref for fedora coreos 16:42:53 ? 16:43:14 maybe?? 16:43:16 lots TBD 16:43:41 Heh, as long as we locate where the D is to happen :) 16:43:47 mclasen: I need to get on the calendar for that 16:43:59 anyone opposed to moving on to next topic ? 16:43:59 it is on the atomic calendar, I believe 16:44:31 oh davdunc - missed your question 16:44:49 I don't have any specific asks from you for right now. I'm sure we will over time :) 16:44:57 :) cool. 16:45:08 ok next topic 16:45:14 #topic atomic working group talks/sessions for flock 2018 16:45:20 #link https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/502 16:45:26 * sanja reads back 16:45:33 looks like strigazi and ttomecek submitted a few talks 16:45:43 now that the CoreOS announcement is out I'll submit a few as well 16:45:48 anyone else want to submit one? misc ? 16:45:54 I have a topic for the end of the agenda 16:45:58 today 16:46:08 i think misc was going to submit a talk on atomic workstation/silverblue 16:46:12 dustymabe: nope, i already have 2 talks proposed 16:46:23 https://pagure.io/flock/issue/59 16:46:30 https://pagure.io/flock/issue/79 16:46:37 misc: do you mind adding them to https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/502 ? 16:46:48 or are they not related to atomic* 16:46:56 well, one is on silverblue 16:47:00 Ok, glad everyone covered things already. Silverblue meeting every 2 weeks, this one +1 for renaming the whole fedocal group from atomic to fedora-coreos 16:47:06 so that's maybe or maybe not atomic 16:47:07 perfect. please add it 16:47:33 if anyone else has anything please submit as well! 16:47:46 ok moving to open floor 16:47:48 #topic open floor 16:47:54 jberkus: go ahead 16:48:16 so, strategy question for Fedora CoreOS that I know we can't answer today, but I'd like folks to think about 16:48:18 I wanted to propose one on openshift on atomic, but I will not be able to prepare and maybe not even have time to bullsh^W improvise that one 16:48:56 do we want Fedora CoreOS to be a platform for Kubernetes innovation (i.e. latest releases, beta, development), or do we want to just focus on Origin? 16:49:22 good question 16:49:39 jberkus: so I think we should probably discuss that question in a new setting 16:50:03 discussing it at the Fedora Atomic WG meeting excludes the other community we are trying to merge with 16:50:22 but it is a good question 16:50:35 jberkus: does that sound reasonable ? 16:50:54 dustymabe can you rename the atomic group in fedocal? assuming people here are ok with it? so we can also say that the meetings happen here? 16:50:57 like I said, we're not going to have an answer here. 16:51:11 jberkus: :) yeah defnitely no answer 16:51:19 jberkus, we can have multiple refs for something like this, it will depend on contributions 16:51:35 jberkus: let's have that conversation very soon 16:51:39 other events: if you are near the UK, please consider submitting a talk to this: https://2018.container.camp/uk/ 16:51:40 perhaps in first Fedora CoreOS meeting 16:51:53 or the second 16:52:00 since the first will be busy] 16:52:00 yeah or that 16:52:21 I need to work on asking that community (in the new channels) if a space like this would be fine 16:52:38 is anyone here opposed to using this meeting slot/time for that community ? 16:53:06 Wait, means atomic as project brand is dead? 16:53:07 knowing that you can always bring up atomic* related things at any time over in #atomic, but there would be no formal meeting any more 16:53:25 Also no more atomic-wg? 16:53:38 kushal: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/launch-faq-what-happens-to-project-atomic/44 16:53:47 dustymabe, thank you. 16:54:22 dustymabe, what will happen to the fedora atomic images? 16:54:44 https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/launch-faq-does-fedora-coreos-replace-fedora-atomic-host-what-happens-to-fedora-atomic-host-and-centos-atomic-host/43 this maybe 16:54:46 kushal: we'll continue to have fedora atomic for f29 16:55:05 dustymabe, Okay 16:55:16 How long will updates happen for Fedora Atomic F29? 16:55:28 and then hopefully Fedora CoreOS can work for you just as well as Atomic Host has 16:55:38 That puts my idea of pushing SecureDrop to Fedora Atomic into a big question mark. 16:55:55 jdoss: releases. I would say 6 months (until f30) 16:56:10 life support (which just means the ref gets updated in the background) until EOL 16:56:11 jdoss did Allen get back to you about the interview thing that you volunteered to do a few weeks ago? If not - apologies for that, I made the tweet and wanted to follow up with everyone but then things got busy on other ends ;) 16:56:18 I have a future project that was going to use Fedora Atomic that I might have to adjust things on my end to stall for Fedora CoreOS 16:56:30 sanja: Not as of yet. 16:57:00 kk I'll have to follow up with people extra on that at some point 16:57:22 :) 16:57:27 any other topics for the meeting here? 16:57:36 open floor 16:57:46 anyone with any talks accepted to devconf.us yet? 16:57:55 I still haven't seen any accept/reject mails 16:58:17 * rubao did not receive a response yet 16:58:36 haven't heard back from anyone who accepted 16:59:02 To be clear, will the Fedora CoreOS meeting take place of this one, same place same time? 16:59:15 I got a 'sorry we're late' email 16:59:24 I want to make sure I am avail for that. Also any news on the Fedora Server + Fedora Cloud merger? 16:59:30 jdoss: I think that is what some people were proposing 16:59:44 i'm not opposed to that 16:59:46 OK, cool. Sorry multitasking too much. 16:59:57 there are some concerns I have with that 17:00:09 - does the atomic* community care that they are losing a meeting 17:00:33 It feels like the atomic community is merging vs losing a meeting. 17:00:47 exactly 17:00:52 - if we have overlap and people discuss atomic* things at the new meeting (because it is at the same time/place) do they care? 17:01:09 i.e. does the CL community care 17:01:13 so let's do the atomic-wg style vote, +1 for renaming the atomic-wg fedocal group and having this meeting be fedora-coreos and continue as is 17:01:27 I can't commit to using atomic on my end as a user with the news of just one more release with F29 and then updates to F30 17:01:33 sanja: I'll make an issue and we can discuss there 17:01:39 I want to have something to point to 17:01:41 dustymabe works +1 17:01:50 jdoss yes that makes perfect sense 17:01:50 and also I want to propose it to the new community as an option 17:01:58 +2 17:02:01 * rubao +1 17:02:06 or +1 woops 17:02:06 i.e. the atomic* community has said they'll be willing to give up the community time slot for use with the new community 17:02:08 hhehe 17:02:12 is that something the fedora coreos community accepts? 17:02:26 blah blah 17:02:38 extra focus on blah blah 17:02:41 #action dustymabe to open ticket to re-purpose meeting time for new community 17:02:53 i'm going to ping a lot of you to vote in the ticket \ 17:03:23 ok - anyone else with something for open floor? 17:03:37 #info lorbus posted about the progress with greenboot 17:03:48 lorbus++ 17:03:53 yes please dustymabe 17:04:02 #link https://medium.com/@c.glombek/introducing-greenboot-3246ca55432d 17:04:13 I gotta jet to my next meeting TTYL folks 17:04:17 later jdoss 17:04:18 thanks jdoss 17:05:35 ok will close out meeting soon 17:05:43 unless .moar topics 17:05:57 no moar on my side 17:05:59 thanks all 17:06:25 * dustymabe searches for the big red button 17:06:31 #endmeeting