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16:00:20 <geppetto> #topic Roll Call
16:00:24 <mhroncok> hi!
16:00:34 <tibbs> Hello.
16:00:34 <geppetto> #chair mhroncok
16:00:34 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto mhroncok
16:00:37 <geppetto> #chair tibbs
16:00:37 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto mhroncok tibbs
16:00:55 <tibbs> I'm trying to actually write that draft that I promised to do some time ago.
16:01:05 <tibbs> (That probably applies to more than one draft, though....)
16:02:45 <geppetto> not sure … I was wondering if it was worth keeping a list of open #action items … although that applied more when we'd assigned a few things to the newer people
16:03:04 <tibbs> Well, we do have the ticketing system which should be able to indicate that just fine.
16:03:14 <geppetto> in theory changing the assigned person in the ticket should be enough … for everyone but you :-o
16:04:39 <tibbs> Even then, if I don't look at something assigned to me then that's my fault.
16:04:57 <tibbs> But I'm trying to do that default services thing that FESCo wants.
16:05:17 <tibbs> Should be my top priority but I got involved with package cleanup and that took much longer than expected.
16:06:34 <tibbs> I sure hope we can get quorum today.
16:06:54 <tibbs> Things are starting to pile up.
16:07:07 <geppetto> yeh, I just meant that a lot of stuff gets assigned to you so it's harder to see if you really need to do something from just that
16:07:26 <geppetto> yeh, it's been two or three weeks without a meeting so far
16:07:42 <geppetto> I know RH is kind of busy atm. … but it still sucks
16:08:38 <tibbs> I think we should wait longer than usual for folks to show up, if possible.
16:09:27 <mhroncok> tibbs: does a change like this need a writeup? https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/779
16:09:29 <geppetto> yeh, no problem
16:09:34 <mhroncok> or can we just decide and remove the sections?
16:09:50 <mhroncok> (I don't mean the %{?python_default_filter} part)
16:09:54 <tibbs> We can just decide and remove them, but it would be nice if I could move them to EPEL first.
16:10:22 <mhroncok> well since epel has it own https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL:Packaging_Autoprovides_and_Requires_Filtering
16:10:31 <mhroncok> and it already has that
16:10:37 <tibbs> If I know a section doesn't apply to anything but EPEL then I will generally move it without involving the committee at all.
16:11:52 <tibbs> But this case is slightly complex, I guess.
16:12:16 <tibbs> Does this section need to be changed?  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Python#Filtering_Requires:_and_Provides:
16:12:20 <ignatenkobrain> .hello2
16:12:21 <zodbot> ignatenkobrain: ignatenkobrain 'Igor Gnatenko' <i.gnatenko.brain@gmail.com>
16:12:27 <geppetto> #chair ignatenkobrain
16:12:28 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto ignatenkobrain mhroncok tibbs
16:12:29 <tibbs> I don't think so, but I'm not 100% sure.
16:12:29 <geppetto> Hey
16:12:58 <geppetto> mbooth and orionp are on IRC, so if they see the pings we can have a meeting
16:13:13 <mhroncok> tibbs: I'd just drop it
16:13:40 <mhroncok> ignatenkobrain: hi
16:14:01 <tibbs> mhroncok: True, that's just generic advice.
16:14:14 <tibbs> No need to duplicate what's in the guidelines elsewhere.
16:14:20 <tibbs> OK, so I'll just remove that section now.
16:15:02 <tibbs> OK, it's gone.
16:15:08 <mhroncok> tibbs++
16:15:16 <mhroncok> aslo python sitearch bits from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:AutoProvidesAndRequiresFiltering
16:15:56 <tibbs> So the interesting thing there is that those are just examples.
16:16:16 <tibbs> The problem is that they're examples which you shouldn't need to use in Fedora at all.
16:16:27 <mhroncok> exactly
16:16:33 <mhroncok> do we need new exaamples?
16:16:42 <tibbs> So they should probably be replaced either by useful examples, or some which are obviously not real-life cases.
16:17:23 <tibbs> And the "A recipe for python" from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:AutoProvidesAndRequiresFiltering#Arch-specific_extensions_to_scripting_languages should just go away.
16:18:04 <tibbs> OK, that's gone.
16:18:16 <tibbs> Now I'll tweak the remaining examples.
16:19:28 <mhroncok> tibbs: %global __provides_exclude_from ^%{_libdir}/wingpanel/.*\\.so
16:20:16 <geppetto> #topic Open Floor
16:20:25 <tibbs> I used %name, but same difference.
16:20:26 <geppetto> Any of the newer tickets we want to talk about
16:20:56 <geppetto> #chair
16:20:56 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto ignatenkobrain mhroncok tibbs
16:21:12 * mhroncok looks
16:21:35 <tibbs> Could use more votes in https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/759
16:22:04 * mhroncok already voted there
16:22:06 <tibbs> This should be obvious, really.  mhroncok and I are +1 there already.
16:22:41 <tibbs> This is the %pypi_source macro which does exist everywhere now.
16:23:23 <geppetto> I vote in the ticket
16:23:28 <tibbs> Thanks.
16:23:43 <geppetto> 774 might be worth talking about?
16:23:44 <tibbs> I doubt ignatenkobrain would vote against since he generally likes convenience macros.
16:23:56 <geppetto> .fpc 774
16:23:57 <zodbot> geppetto: Issue #774: Reword "Addon Packages" a bit - packaging-committee - Pagure - https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/774
16:24:08 <tibbs> Really, was the only change removing the word "new"?
16:24:33 <geppetto> I'm not sure … I think John wanted more changes but didn't know what they should be
16:24:48 <mhroncok> for me, it was justa bout "new"
16:25:34 <geppetto> we can probably just do that change
16:28:23 <tibbs> I have never liked the way that section is worded, really, but I've never been able to come up with something better.
16:28:30 * geppetto nods
16:29:05 <geppetto> I guess we just remove the word new and close, saying feel free to reopen if you can think of other better wording
16:29:24 <tibbs> I'm replacing "adds a new functionality" (which isn't grammatically correct) with "adds functionality".
16:29:34 * geppetto nods
16:30:45 <geppetto> #endmeeting