19:02:00 <bcotton> #startmeeting F29 Beta Readiness Meeting
19:02:00 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Sep 13 19:02:00 2018 UTC.
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19:02:02 <bcotton> #meetingname f29-beta-readiness-meeting
19:02:02 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'f29-beta-readiness-meeting'
19:02:10 <bcotton> #topic Roll Call
19:02:12 <contyk> .hello psabata
19:02:13 <zodbot> contyk: psabata 'Petr Šabata' <psabata@redhat.com>
19:02:14 <mboddu> .hello mohanboddu
19:02:15 <zodbot> mboddu: mohanboddu 'Mohan Boddu' <mboddu@bhujji.com>
19:02:21 <x3mboy> .hello2
19:02:22 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
19:02:22 <lruzicka3> .hello2
19:02:23 <bcotton> .hello2
19:02:24 <zodbot> lruzicka3: Sorry, but you don't exist
19:02:27 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com>
19:02:29 <bowlofeggs> .hello2
19:02:31 <zodbot> bowlofeggs: bowlofeggs 'Randy Barlow' <rbarlow@redhat.com>
19:02:31 <lruzicka3> .hello lruzicka
19:02:34 <zodbot> lruzicka3: lruzicka 'Lukáš Růžička' <lruzicka@redhat.com>
19:02:43 <nirik> morning again.
19:02:47 <cverna> hello
19:02:56 <x3mboy> Afternoon here!
19:02:58 <x3mboy> o/
19:03:01 <lruzicka3> night here :)
19:03:05 <adamw> .hello adamwill
19:03:09 <zodbot> adamw: adamwill 'Adam Williamson' <awilliam@redhat.com>
19:03:11 * bowlofeggs passes nirik a coffee, then another coffee
19:03:25 * adamw pours a coffee into his coffee so he can coffee while he coffees
19:03:30 <bcotton> yo dawg
19:03:33 <bowlofeggs> haha
19:03:33 <adamw> =)
19:04:03 <bcotton> i'll give everyone another minute to file in and i'll use that time to go refill my water bottle
19:04:13 <bowlofeggs> ...with whiskey?
19:04:30 <bowlofeggs> (alcohol and calculus don't mix. don't drink and derive.)
19:04:37 <x3mboy> :%s/water bottle/coffee mug/g
19:04:56 <bcotton> bowlofeggs: you know me too well
19:05:07 <bcotton> okay, let's get this party started
19:05:25 <bcotton> #info Before each public release all of the groups participating the development of Fedora's next release meet to make sure the release is well-coordinated.
19:05:27 <bcotton> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Readiness_Meetings
19:05:36 <bcotton> i guess i could have done that earlier, but we all know why we're here
19:05:44 <bcotton> #topic Current status
19:05:46 <bcotton> #info Fedora 29 Beta is NO-GO
19:05:47 <bowlofeggs> i don't know my purpose in this world!
19:05:47 <bcotton> #info The next Go/No-Go meeting is planned on Thursday, September 20. The Beta moves from Target date to Rain date, which is 2018-09-25
19:06:02 <mboddu> bowlofeggs: Its for bodhi :P
19:06:07 <bowlofeggs> haha
19:06:20 <bcotton> not much to say about this. we're just moving the goalposts a bit
19:06:39 <adamw> shall we do a #info for Phoronix readers? :P
19:06:43 <bcotton> #info we will NOT repeat this meeting after the next go/no-go meeting
19:06:50 <bcotton> haha
19:06:56 <mboddu> adamw: hahaha :D
19:07:04 * adamw hands out "THIS IS NOT A SLIP" t-shirts
19:07:16 <bcotton> so let's go around the room and check in with the teams status. please remember to #info and #link copiously
19:07:20 <bcotton> #topic Ambassadors
19:07:28 * lruzicka3 does not wear slippers.
19:07:37 <cmurf> adamw: i'll take 2!
19:07:43 <nirik> adamw: we should get those made. ;)
19:08:00 <bcotton> anyone from the Ambassaors team here?
19:08:58 <contyk> x3mboy?
19:09:28 <x3mboy> Yes, I'm an Ambassador, but I'm kind of disconnected
19:10:03 <bcotton> #info not present
19:10:11 <bcotton> okay, we'll move on to the next then
19:10:12 <lruzicka3> I would like to be one, but I am not yet.
19:10:28 <bcotton> #topic Cloud WG
19:10:46 <bcotton> any cloud folks around?
19:11:01 * mboddu goes and gets some tea in the mean time
19:11:48 <cmurf> dustymabe: ^^
19:12:31 * mboddu is back
19:12:48 <bcotton> #info not present
19:12:59 <bcotton> #topic Design
19:13:48 <bcotton> mizmo, mizmo[m] are you around?
19:15:02 <mizmo> bcotton, i am
19:15:03 <mizmo> sup
19:15:28 <bcotton> mizmo: going around the table for F29 beta release readiness and it's design's turn. how are you fine folks?
19:15:52 <mizmo> bcotton, wrt the wallpaper i think we are locked and loaded. we've only gotten positive feedback on the wallpaper which is always a good sign
19:15:59 <mizmo> bcotton, wrt the website o_O i am a bit worried.
19:16:39 <mattdm> yeah, I haven't heard from robyduck
19:16:41 <bcotton> i have website as a separate item further down the agenda, but do you want to elaborate on that now?
19:16:58 <mizmo> bcotton, i had been working on some preliminary redesign stuff for the website but its a big change, i dont know that we have any of the implementation completed, and it's not 100% clear to me if the changes are now needed for f29. i think some of the changes that were planned are pushed back now from f29
19:17:19 <mattdm> mizmo: yeah, I think all the big stuff you are working on is f30 target
19:17:26 <mizmo> i think the iot spin is still going to need a website for f29 tho but i'm not sure
19:17:34 <mattdm> there may be some small important items for f29
19:17:37 <mizmo> mattdm, oh ok phew
19:17:50 <mizmo> mattdm, the iot one is the main one i can think of that might still apply? if there's others let me know
19:17:58 <mizmo> although i need some dev help if robyduck is unavailable :(
19:18:02 <mattdm> iot is what i was thinking too
19:18:16 <mattdm> yeah I'll look for dev help too
19:18:19 <mizmo> i dont know about coreos either
19:18:26 * nirik hopes robbyduck is ok
19:18:28 <mizmo> or silverblue
19:18:43 <mattdm> coreos is definitely f30-ish
19:18:50 <mattdm> nirik: he's okay, just job stuff.
19:18:52 <mizmo> kk
19:19:35 <nirik> cool.
19:20:31 <bcotton> mattdm: do you think we need to seek out help for getting the f29 work done then?
19:21:08 <mattdm> bcotton: probably. #helpwanted, I guess?
19:21:22 <mizmo> also for F30 hehe
19:21:26 <mizmo> website redo
19:21:29 <bcotton> okay, i'll put that in when i #topic websites
19:21:46 <mattdm> bcotton thanks
19:21:48 <bcotton> mizmo: anything else for F29 beta from the design side?
19:23:31 <bcotton> #info Wallpaper feedback is universally positive
19:23:58 <contyk> now if only KDE...
19:24:11 <bcotton> la la la i can't hear you, contyk
19:24:29 <bcotton> #topic Desktop
19:24:35 <adamw> KD...whuts that?
19:24:51 <bcotton> anyone here want to speak on behalf of the desktop team?
19:25:22 <mattdm> looks like kalev-afk is afk :)
19:25:31 <bcotton> what gives you that idea?
19:26:30 <bcotton> #info not present
19:26:40 <bcotton> #topic Documentation
19:26:45 <contyk> we might have asamalik
19:27:10 <asamalik> ah we might
19:27:23 <x3mboy> asamalik p/
19:27:29 <x3mboy> o/*
19:27:31 <asamalik> that's pbokoc and I
19:27:59 <asamalik> I can't see pbokoc here — he owns the content side
19:28:18 <asamalik> I'm mostly here to make sure we publish whatever we have at the right time :)
19:29:33 * x3mboy thinks that the new design is awesome, hopefully content will be ready on time
19:29:51 <bcotton> #info Release Notes need to be written (not necessarily for beta)
19:29:59 <bcotton> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/release-notes/issues?status=Open&search_pattern=F29
19:30:20 <asamalik> I know he has a couple of tracking issues for the content
19:30:24 <x3mboy> !
19:30:28 <asamalik> bcotton: that, thanks
19:30:45 <bcotton> okay, moving on
19:30:50 <bcotton> #topic Fedora Project Leader
19:31:47 <bcotton> mattdm: are you excited?
19:32:43 <mattdm> bcotton: about the ON TIME SELECTION OF TARGET #1?
19:32:44 <mattdm> yes.
19:32:47 <mattdm> yes i am.
19:32:52 <bcotton> haha
19:33:06 <bcotton> #info mattdm is ready for target #1
19:33:44 <bcotton> #topic FESCo
19:33:48 <contyk> I think the only outstanding issue is the status of the Silverblue change
19:33:51 <contyk> .fesco 1989
19:33:53 <zodbot> contyk: Issue #1989: Decide status of "Rename Atomic Workstation to Silverblue" change - fesco - Pagure - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1989
19:33:56 <bowlofeggs> i declare 1/9 of fesco (me) ready
19:34:21 * nirik ditto
19:34:23 * dustymabe wakes up from meetings
19:34:27 <mattdm> 2/9ths?
19:34:33 <contyk> 3
19:34:40 <dustymabe> cmurf: i'm "around"
19:34:45 <bowlofeggs> but yeah that silverblue one is concerning
19:34:51 <bowlofeggs> especially since we can't get responses about it
19:34:55 <dustymabe> cmurf: please feel free to ping jdoss WRT cloud* stuff as well
19:34:56 <nirik> I think just the anaconda and websites stuff is still outstanding on silverblue.
19:35:02 <bcotton> dustymabe: we can swing back around to the Cloud WG momentarily if you have a status update you'd like to give
19:35:33 <bcotton> #info Portions of the "Rename Atomic Workstation to Silverblue" change are outstanding
19:35:54 <mboddu> I think the only thing that is not done is branding in Anaconda
19:36:08 * jdoss is around as well for any Cloud WG stuff
19:36:21 <bcotton> jdoss: ack
19:36:24 <mboddu> But Silverblue is not a blocking artifact
19:36:49 <bcotton> anything else from FESCo?
19:37:09 <bowlofeggs> mboddu: yes, but the changes do affect blocking artifacts
19:37:12 <bowlofeggs> like anaconda
19:37:17 * mboddu is not FESCo, but just jumped in
19:37:37 <contyk> bcotton: nope, I think we're good, or at least this 1/9th is
19:37:51 <bowlofeggs> 3/9 says +1 so g2g ☺
19:37:53 <dustymabe> IMHO if "rebranding Silverblue" in anaconda doesn't make it, it's not a huge deal
19:37:54 <mattdm> 0.333333333
19:37:59 <bcotton> it rounds up
19:37:59 <dustymabe> it's mostly cosmetic
19:38:09 <bcotton> #topic Cloud WG (part 2)
19:38:23 <bcotton> dustymabe, jdoss, anything you want to share?
19:39:06 <dustymabe> bcotton: not in particular, I don't know of any issues right now. will check 1.2 when it's done
19:39:26 <dustymabe> jdoss: you want to give 1.2 a run through when it's ready?
19:39:42 <mboddu> bowlofeggs: Ah okay, but if we decide not to change anything in anaconda now, then we should be fine for the release (except for wrong rebranding)
19:40:02 <jdoss> Yea I can no problem just LMK
19:40:16 <bcotton> #info no known issues
19:40:20 <jdoss> Nothing in the Cloud WG should block F29 right now.
19:40:24 <bcotton> anything else, cloud friends?
19:40:59 <jdoss> The cloud updates are something I am still working on but it's an internal change and it doesn't impact F29. Still chipping away at my POC for the updates.
19:41:05 <jdoss> that is about it.
19:41:18 <dustymabe> bcotton++
19:41:19 <zodbot> dustymabe: Karma for bcotton changed to 8 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
19:41:21 <bcotton> #info Cloud updates change is still in progress, but won't block
19:41:36 <bcotton> okay, so i'll move us on to the next
19:41:42 <bcotton> #topic Infrastructure
19:41:44 <jdoss> Thanks bcotton
19:42:18 <bowlofeggs> #info bodhi is ready
19:42:31 <bcotton> bowlofeggs++
19:42:31 <zodbot> bcotton: Karma for bowlofeggs changed to 16 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
19:43:12 <bcotton> anything else on the infra side?
19:43:12 <nirik> infra should be all ready. no issues I am aware of
19:43:28 <bcotton> excellent!
19:43:41 <bcotton> #topic Marketing
19:43:48 <bcotton> x3mboy
19:44:06 <x3mboy> From marketing we are waiting for the TPs
19:44:25 <x3mboy> Remember we use TPs to the Beta Release Announcenment
19:44:45 <x3mboy> Also, the GA Release Announcenment from mattdm should be helpedwith this a little bit
19:44:49 <x3mboy> And we have nothing there
19:44:57 * bcotton can't remember yesterday's meeting. does someone own the talking points?
19:44:58 <x3mboy> For everything else we are good
19:45:07 <x3mboy> Yes, bt0
19:45:37 <x3mboy> But the idea is each team help with their own opinion on what's new and awesome in each release
19:45:41 <bcotton> #info bt0 owns the talking points that will be used to create the release announcement
19:45:48 <mattdm> x3mboy: yes I definitely appreciate help :)
19:46:01 <bcotton> #help teams should work with bt0 to provide relevant talking points for their areas
19:46:11 <x3mboy> e.g.: last edition atomic team did a great work with the TPs
19:46:21 <x3mboy> We did almost nothing
19:46:28 <x3mboy> Just serve as a bridge
19:46:53 * x3mboy sighs remembering KDE and 3 releases without TPs from them
19:47:12 <bcotton> x3mboy anything else from marketing?
19:47:15 <x3mboy> Nope
19:47:21 <bcotton> great, thanks!
19:47:33 <bcotton> #topic QA
19:47:41 * x3mboy needs to run.
19:47:44 <x3mboy> Bye guys
19:47:49 <bcotton> bye, x3mboy
19:48:18 <bcotton> adamw or anyone else want to give a QA update?
19:48:37 <adamw> sorry
19:48:40 <adamw> i'm debugging stuff
19:48:42 <adamw> uh, ok
19:49:00 <adamw> #info RC1 validation testing is fairly complete, there has been no testing of RC2 yet as it is not done yet
19:49:36 <adamw> #info we would very much like to have a bit more time to do more exploratory testing of DNF and GNOME and look into some of the outstanding blocker/FE bugs
19:49:46 <adamw> that's what we'll be doing this week
19:50:22 * nirik notes there's an update now fixing the kde background thing (well, needs testing that it does, but it should)
19:50:30 <bcotton> nirik++
19:50:31 <zodbot> bcotton: Karma for kevin changed to 32 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
19:51:04 <bcotton> anything else from QA or should we let adamw get back to work?
19:51:16 <adamw> that's all i've got really?
19:51:19 <adamw> any questions?
19:52:22 <bcotton> sounds like a "no", thanks, adamw
19:52:29 <bcotton> #topic Release Engineering
19:52:36 <bcotton> mboddu, you're up
19:52:51 <mboddu> bcotton: Oh, sorry, working on something else
19:53:34 <mboddu> Other than not having a completed RC2 compose, RelEng is all ready for the release
19:54:01 <bcotton> is RC2 happily chugging along?
19:54:59 <mboddu> bcotton: Yes, its going fine (and slow) :)
19:55:05 <bcotton> excellent
19:55:15 <bcotton> #info RC2 is composing. RelEng stands ready
19:55:25 <bcotton> okay, i'll move on to the next team then
19:56:04 <bcotton> #topic Server WG
19:56:38 <bcotton> anyone here from Server?
19:56:59 <contyk> sgallagh?
19:58:02 <sgallagh> Hmm?
19:58:27 <sgallagh> I'm not aware of any issues with Server. It's mostly uneventful this cycle.
19:58:36 <bcotton> #info Server is mostly uneventful
19:58:41 <bcotton> that's the way we like it
19:59:13 <bcotton> #topic Spins
19:59:21 <bcotton> anyone from Spins want to chime in?
20:00:17 <nirik> I tested the Xfce rc1 and it was fine here. ;)
20:00:35 <bcotton> #info Xfce rc1 is fine
20:00:37 <bcotton> anything else?
20:01:53 <bcotton> nope!
20:02:07 <bcotton> #topic Translations
20:02:48 <bcotton> anyone from the translations team?
20:03:44 <bcotton> guess not. last one on my list...
20:03:49 <bcotton> #info not present
20:04:04 <bcotton> #topic Websites
20:04:06 <bcotton> #help Developer help needed to finalize tasks for website. Contact mizmo for details
20:04:41 <bcotton> #link https://twitter.com/mairin/statuses/1040320933582581763
20:04:55 <bcotton> anything else on the websites?
20:05:55 <bcotton> sounds like a no
20:05:56 <bcotton> #topic Open floor
20:06:11 <bcotton> any teams that i didn't explicitly call on that want to be called on?
20:06:48 <contyk> hmmm
20:07:15 <contyk> nope
20:07:29 <mboddu> I guess not
20:07:38 <bcotton> any general comments, questions, or snarky remarks about F29 Beta release readiness?
20:07:42 <contyk> I was thinking about modularity wg but there isn't anything specific for beta
20:08:02 <bcotton> contyk: good idea, though. i'll put them on my list for final
20:09:23 <bcotton> last call!
20:10:06 <bcotton> okay, thanks everyone! reminder there will not be a repeat of this meeting. the next Go/No-Go meeting will be next week
20:10:12 <bcotton> #endmeeting