14:04:46 #startmeeting Infrastructure (2018-09-27) 14:04:46 Meeting started Thu Sep 27 14:04:46 2018 UTC. 14:04:46 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 14:04:46 The chair is smooge. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:04:46 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:04:46 The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure_(2018-09-27)' 14:04:46 #meetingname infrastructure 14:04:46 The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 14:04:47 #topic aloha 14:04:47 #chair nirik pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge tflink threebean cverna 14:04:47 Current chairs: cverna nirik pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge tflink threebean 14:04:47 smooge: welcome! 14:04:55 .hello 14:04:55 mkonecny: (hello ) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1". 14:04:57 morning :D 14:05:04 #topic New folks introductions 14:05:04 #info This is a place where people who are interested in Fedora Infrastructure can introduce themselves 14:05:13 Hello. Again :) 14:05:18 :D 14:05:18 .hello2 14:05:18 morning again 14:05:19 clime: clime 'clime' 14:05:26 .hello2 14:05:30 mkonecny: Sorry, but you don't exist 14:05:45 mkonecny: bad news 14:05:48 * mkonecny has existence crisis 14:06:06 .hello zlopez 14:06:07 puiterwijk: zlopez 'Michal Konečný' 14:06:16 mkonecny: .hello2 only works if your irc nick == your FAS username 14:06:19 hello all my apologies for the wrong channel 14:06:33 puiterwijk: good to know 14:06:55 any new people who I haven't completely confused ? 14:07:17 thank you mkonecny for letting me know I started in the wrong channel 14:07:23 #topic announcements and information 14:07:23 #info tflink is on extended PTO 14:07:23 #info smooge is on PTO 2018-10-05->2018-10-08 14:07:23 #info nirik is on PTO 2018-10-26->2018-11-?? 14:07:24 #info Beta Freeze is OVER. 14:07:25 #info Final Freeze will start 2018-10-09 14:07:26 #info Staging reboot on Friday/Monday 14:07:28 #info Update/reboot prod Wednesday 14:07:30 #info openshift prod will be redeployed 2018-09-27 at 21UTC 14:07:59 actually for me that is 10-24 to 10-28 14:08:15 #info nirik is on PTO 2018-10-24-> 2018-10-28 14:08:18 #info bodhi-3.10.0 planned for deployment to production on monday https://bodhi.stg.fedoraproject.org/docs/user/release_notes.html 14:08:38 nirik, sorry I thought you had Halloween off 14:08:55 it's always the weekend before... but yeah... 14:09:27 #info problem with expiring dist-repos should now be fixed 14:09:56 mizdebsk: awesome! 14:09:56 any other announcements? 14:10:00 thanks mizdebsk 14:10:14 I am new to the fedora community. I have been using fedora from 3 years now. Hence had been thinking to be a part of such a wonderful and dynamic community. How can I help? 14:10:16 thanks to aikidouke planet now redirects nicely 14:10:36 soniya29: welcome :) 14:10:41 aikidouke++ 14:11:16 welcome soniya29. do take a look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/GettingStarted if you haven't already... 14:11:28 :) thanks again for the reviews nirik 14:11:35 best way to learn 14:11:39 cverna,thanks :) 14:11:39 thanks nirik.. the coffee shop lookup went slow 14:12:39 #topic Oncall 14:12:40 #info Nirik is on call from 2018-09-20->2018-09-27 14:12:40 #info Puiterwijk is on call from 2018-09-27->2018-10-04 14:12:40 #info ??? is on call from 2018-10-04 -> 2018-10-18 14:12:40 #info smooge is on call from 2018-10-18 -> 2018-10-25 14:12:41 #info Summary of last week: (from Nirik) 14:13:03 pretty normal overall... 14:13:10 lots of release prep and such 14:13:30 oof I messed up again 14:13:33 nirik,thanks.I have already gone through it. 14:13:52 #info ??? is on call from 2018-10-04 -> 2018-10-11 14:13:52 #info smooge is on call from 2018-10-11 -> 2018-10-18 14:14:02 I need someone to take the week from 10-04 to 10-11 14:15:15 I can as well 14:15:17 soniya29: great. Do ask questions in our channels and look at easyfix tickets for something to work on. If you drop by #fedora-admin after the meeting someone can add you to our apprentice group to login and look around... 14:16:25 puiterwijk, thank you for the offer I would prefer that no one does more than a week at a time. If no one can do it otherwise we will put you there next week. 14:16:50 smooge: Yeah, same here. Just figured that if nobody else offers, I can be a fallback 14:17:02 Actually, bowlofeggs? Didn't you want a slot? 14:17:07 I can do it too... 14:17:15 I believe Randy wanted to try it once 14:17:31 he is probably being bear hunted that week 14:17:32 hello all, sorry for my late 14:17:56 hello amrzaki_ 14:18:20 nirik, thanks for further directions. I will definitely drop by #fedora-admin. 14:18:21 hello 14:18:31 lemme look at my calendar right quick 14:18:34 * pingou late 14:20:57 i can't that weekend :/ 14:20:58 out of town 14:21:56 is it expected to be around during the weekend ? I think filling a ticket during the weekend is acceptable 14:22:20 Yeah, agreed. 14:23:29 we need to right up what is expected and make sure it is agreed. I have been assuming that I need to be available on weekends and evenings and mornings to answer tickets and calls 14:23:46 s/right/write/ 14:24:14 excuse me, guys i have question 14:24:38 yes amrzaki_ ? 14:24:42 smooge: yeah, that might be good... 14:25:10 if i need to change the ssh key that related by the FAS account 14:25:28 well i can take the weekdays of that period but i will be without laptop for the weekend 14:25:29 what time to take to apply my change 14:25:39 I will write up one after this meeting and present to the list we can get it modified to meet others requirements 14:26:01 amrzaki_: usually 10-20min for a ssh key change to sync out. 14:26:33 amrzaki_, it should only take around 10-20 minutes. We can answer more in the apprentice part of the meeting 14:26:43 nirik:okay thanks 14:27:02 okay i'm sorry 14:27:22 no problem. I did ask you to say the question. 14:27:31 so there is nothing to be sorry about 14:27:37 #topic fedora-tagger and statscache sunset planning - cverna 14:27:37 #info plan to retire fedora-tagger and statscache Oct 2 2018 14:27:41 cverna, you are up 14:27:49 :) 14:28:12 questions are good... :) 14:28:18 yes just wanted to send the sunset email for statscache and fedora-tagger 14:28:24 cverna: we just turn off the services tomorrow and call it a day? 14:28:58 I wanted for us to decide on a day to turn if off 14:29:26 puiterwijk: tomorrow is fine for me, I can send an announce email after the meeting 14:29:56 cverna: I was only half-kidding. Maybe more than 24 hours is good, but it shouldn't be too big a deal, I'd say 14:30:13 yeah, a small announcement would be good 14:30:18 +1 14:30:27 what about monday or tuesday next week 14:30:28 October 5th? 14:30:35 Hah. Or that. 14:30:47 * puiterwijk was going for a day-before-the-day-before-freeze 14:31:04 cverna: +1. How about tuesday? 14:31:12 * nirik was thinking about a mass update/reboot on wed. 14:31:17 cverna: coming Tuesday it is. 14:31:22 deal 14:31:23 agreed 14:31:34 I ll send the announcement on the list then 14:31:42 that's all for me :) 14:31:57 Next tuedsay sounds good 14:31:58 cverna: maybe also send at least tagger to devel? 14:32:12 or devel-announce 14:32:17 I was planning to send it to devel-announce and infra 14:32:17 (which also goes to devel) 14:32:33 cool 14:32:35 #topic fedora-tagger and statscache sunset planning - cverna 14:32:35 #info plan to retire fedora-tagger and statscache Oct 2 2018 14:32:39 nope 14:32:51 #topic torrents and their troubles - kevin 14:33:04 so, I sent an email to the list about this... 14:33:18 so if anyone has ideas, they are welcome. 14:33:18 I am of the turn it off 14:33:28 kill it 14:33:33 many other projects have just gone the unofficial route 14:33:37 smooge: I think we will need some good charts and graphs showing no one uses it. 14:34:03 well I did do that.. and people said 'but that is 100 people on release day not using a mirror' 14:34:25 I kind of rage quit on that day 14:34:28 Or we go for 14:34:33 Oh? I only remember the graphs seth did when he tried to kill it. 14:35:33 I'd love to kill it, but I think the council wouldn't... but we could try asking again... 14:35:59 I will recreate 14:36:03 This means, that the Fedora torrent will not be available from official source? 14:36:06 perhaps someone could go look at what all the other distros do too? 14:36:34 yes 14:36:37 mkonecny: well, if we drop it yeah... but like I said, I don't think people will want us to. 14:36:47 centos does not run one. 14:37:14 Debian and Ubuntu seem to have official torrent files 14:37:36 They have files 14:37:40 but they aren't seeding 14:37:41 Arch Linux has too 14:38:04 we can publish torrents, but not seed them and not run tracker 14:38:09 But I'm not sure if they are hosting it 14:38:21 interested people will be able to get the files by other means and seed them 14:38:29 We seem to be the only one hosting torrents 14:38:39 I am ok with that myself 14:39:07 Ah, right. 14:39:14 Yeah, agreed 14:39:22 or we can have seeders in cloud? not supported by infra 14:39:53 Well, then someone still needs to run it 14:39:57 no 14:40:08 running the tracker has been problematice 14:40:14 modern torrents don't need trackers 14:40:24 it gets regular audit problems and blocks by upstreams 14:40:25 the tracker is actually working... 14:40:35 the seeder is the thing thats currently broken 14:40:43 but yeah, its all a mess 14:41:32 we could reopen a council ticket and see what are the feedbacks 14:41:33 We just tell all infra members to run a torrent seeder on their own laptop, and call it a day? 14:41:33 we can add a ticket for apprentice to try set up another seeder in cloud? 14:41:40 it wouldn't need to be packaged 14:41:51 no. please no 14:42:11 it will get shut down and blocked by our upstream 14:42:48 smooge: you're saying running a seeder in the cloud is bad? 14:42:52 yes 14:42:56 as noted in the email we could also farm it off to amazon. 14:42:57 * aikidouke nods 14:43:34 anyhow, we don't need to solve this here, if folks have ideas please add them to the list thread.... 14:43:58 so we would need something open-source and packaged for fedora for this? 14:44:22 i can try to package a seeder i used to use in the past 14:44:23 or we ask to kill it :) 14:44:41 #topic is it too late to discuss fpdc design? - clime\ 14:45:03 so this has a potential to be a really short topic 14:45:19 :) 14:45:58 cverna, is it too late? 14:46:04 nope 14:46:10 it is not too late :) 14:46:23 ok 14:46:38 so I discovered this thing: https://github.com/PostgREST/postgrest 14:47:00 it seems it allows you to just design your db and say you are done (as a server developer) 14:47:11 which is pretty cool 14:47:12 Hey all... Guess I really can't tell time in random timezones. 14:47:16 i think 14:47:29 odin2016: we all hate timezones. ;) welcome! 14:47:59 and it also promises kind-of unchallengable performance 14:48:01 UTC or bust 14:48:19 clime: What is fpdc is using currently for db? 14:48:33 i assume postgreSQL? 14:48:40 clime, can it be ran on top of existing pdc db? 14:48:41 not sure 14:49:11 mizdebsk: well, i haven't tried but i suppose it would be possible 14:49:34 clime, you could get a better case if you tried to migrate existing db and run the software with it 14:49:44 from what you say it shouldn't be hard 14:49:57 o/ sorry I am late, I thought this was at 1800UTC :( 14:50:08 mizdebsk: that's right 14:50:19 .time 14:50:19 smooge: 02:50 PM, September 27, 2018 14:50:20 pdc db dump is publically available at https://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/infra/db-dumps/ 14:50:45 oh, ok, so maybe i'll try it and write up some results? 14:50:57 yeah, i would suggest that 14:51:13 I think we wanted to cut out a lot of the old pdc cruft... it stored tons of things we didn't care about. 14:51:20 but I will defer to people doing the work. ;) 14:51:29 it just seems like a really interesting technology so I would like to try it on something. Not sure if you share that same view. 14:51:43 +1 to some sort of POC, also we need to consider long term maintenance 14:52:04 cverna: i think the maintanenace should be pretty much close to zero 14:52:19 (of course that's too naive) 14:52:47 I mean code/base fixing bugs adding new feature maintenance 14:52:53 what if upstream dies (like pdc upstream) and we end up having to learn haskel to maintain code? 14:53:06 mizdebsk: well, i wouldn't mind that 14:53:07 yes exactly 14:53:19 but the thing is that is very generic thing 14:53:21 haskell isn't that hard 14:53:43 like cverna i'm +1 to PoC and for condidering future maintenance 14:53:58 for example most of fpdc code has been done by a community member who is familiar with Django 14:53:59 pdc is rather one use-case thing, i mean rather narrow in use-cases... 14:54:09 so it's unlikely it will die 14:54:17 I am not sure that would be the case with postgREST 14:54:20 also given it seems quite popular 14:54:55 and actually it would be cool if fpdc was rather a generic app. 14:55:14 only db model would matter 14:55:17 if this poc is successful it would be interesting consider exposing some other dbs we have with rest api 14:55:27 ok I need to move this to fedora-apps 14:55:32 alright, sounds good. 14:55:34 we are coming up to the hour 14:55:38 #topic Tickets discussion 14:55:38 #info https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/report/Meetings%20ticket 14:56:08 no issues 14:56:50 I am combining apprentice and open 14:56:51 #topic Open Floor 14:57:21 anyone have a status on libravatar? I forget when the official shutdown date is/was? 14:57:34 clime, ^ 14:57:40 i was told it got ressurected. Did that not happen? 14:57:47 aikidouke: the shutdown was pulled down 14:57:52 oh! 14:58:22 right now, the old code base runs on VM provided by one of volunteers that got interested in libravatar i think 14:58:34 I guess I can stop setting my hair on fire, running around, and flapping arms about that then... 14:58:53 ty 14:59:19 the plan is to start libravatar on the new codebase in the cloud in near future 14:59:32 yay! 14:59:36 clime++ 14:59:36 aikidouke: Karma for clime changed to 6 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 14:59:51 Since I was late, I'll just got ahead and re intro myself now for those that didn't see the email.... David Shirt, sysadmin between jobs due to move to Germany. Spent a lot of time with rhel and cent at last job, like to distro hop. Have experience with shell, python, perl, ansible. Returning after a long hiatus due to life. 15:00:04 hi odin2016 15:00:35 Hi odin2016 15:01:07 Hi odin2016 15:01:28 OK we can let this run over a bit. amrzaki did you get your ssh question answered? 15:01:48 Yeah i got it 15:01:51 welcome back odin2016. ;) 15:01:57 Thanks smooge 15:02:13 willkommen! 15:02:19 Thanks. 15:02:52 Welcome :) 15:03:00 ok any other questions from apprentices? 15:04:07 if a packet leaves phx2 travelling at the speed of light, how long before I can get a cup of coffee? 15:04:25 * aikidouke will show himself out... 15:04:50 you can get a coffee in 15:04:52 #endmeeting