14:05:47 <bexelbie> #startmeeting Council (2018-10-24)
14:05:47 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Oct 24 14:05:47 2018 UTC.
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14:05:49 <bexelbie> #meetingname council
14:05:49 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'council'
14:05:51 <bexelbie> #chair amsharma ausil bex dperpeet pbrobinson jkurik jwboyer langdon mattdm tyll bcotton sumantrom
14:05:51 <zodbot> Current chairs: amsharma ausil bcotton bex bexelbie dperpeet jkurik jwboyer langdon mattdm pbrobinson sumantrom tyll
14:05:54 <bexelbie> #topic Introductions, Welcomes
14:06:00 <bexelbie> .hello bex
14:06:01 <dgilmore> hi bexelbie
14:06:04 <bexelbie> I know we have some folks who had last minute engagements today
14:06:04 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bexelbie@redhat.com>
14:06:09 <dperpeet> .hello dperpeet
14:06:10 <bexelbie> mattdm sends his regrets
14:06:10 <zodbot> dperpeet: dperpeet 'None' <dperpeet@redhat.com>
14:06:17 <dgilmore> I can only make the first 30 minutes
14:06:18 <bexelbie> langdon, is next to me on his phone - so his typing may be more limited
14:07:22 <langdon> ok. computer now
14:07:23 <langdon> .hello2
14:07:24 <zodbot> langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' <langdon@redhat.com>
14:07:31 <bexelbie> #topic Today's Agenda - Objective updates
14:07:39 <jwb> i should probably not be on the list of chairs at this point :)
14:07:50 <langdon> jwb: you can't get away!
14:07:56 <bexelbie> #info Our current objectives: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/objectives/
14:08:03 <bexelbie> jwb, I blame mattdm
14:08:11 <bexelbie> #chair contyk
14:08:11 <zodbot> Current chairs: amsharma ausil bcotton bex bexelbie contyk dperpeet jkurik jwboyer langdon mattdm pbrobinson sumantrom tyll
14:08:55 <bexelbie> :)
14:09:01 <bexelbie> I don't think you can unchair someone
14:09:09 * bexelbie says "yoinks" and removes jwb's chair :P
14:09:23 <dgilmore> #unchair jwb
14:09:32 <bexelbie> Do we have Peter?
14:09:41 <dgilmore> bexelbie: I am not a chair
14:09:47 <dgilmore> the name for me is wrong
14:09:47 <bexelbie> #chair dgilmore
14:09:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: amsharma ausil bcotton bex bexelbie contyk dgilmore dperpeet jkurik jwboyer langdon mattdm pbrobinson sumantrom tyll
14:09:51 <bexelbie> #unchair jwb
14:09:51 <zodbot> Current chairs: amsharma ausil bcotton bex bexelbie contyk dgilmore dperpeet jkurik jwboyer langdon mattdm pbrobinson sumantrom tyll
14:09:55 <dgilmore> fas != irc
14:09:59 <bexelbie> #unchair ausil
14:09:59 <zodbot> Current chairs: amsharma bcotton bex bexelbie contyk dgilmore dperpeet jkurik jwboyer langdon mattdm pbrobinson sumantrom tyll
14:10:07 <dgilmore> #unchair jwb
14:10:07 <zodbot> Current chairs: amsharma bcotton bex bexelbie contyk dgilmore dperpeet jkurik jwboyer langdon mattdm pbrobinson sumantrom tyll
14:10:15 <bexelbie> dgilmore, can you edit the list here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Council_Meetings#During_the_Meeting_.28Tickets_and_Ongoing.29 -- and fix contyk/jwb too?
14:10:16 <dgilmore> #unchair jwboyer
14:10:16 <zodbot> Current chairs: amsharma bcotton bex bexelbie contyk dgilmore dperpeet jkurik langdon mattdm pbrobinson sumantrom tyll
14:10:28 <dgilmore> bexelbie: underway
14:10:32 <langdon> jwb, ausil, dgilmore: im just gonna annoy you with pings
14:10:32 <bexelbie> dgilmore, ty
14:10:40 <bexelbie> Ok, I think Peter Robinson is caught in sessions
14:10:50 <bexelbie> so Fedora IoT is apparently doing well based on conversations I had with him
14:10:53 <bexelbie> It has internet
14:10:54 <dgilmore> iot meeting is now also
14:11:00 <bexelbie> and it appears to work on some things
14:11:01 <langdon> bexelbie: jeff? i hope not
14:11:32 <bexelbie> I pinged him over in the other channel
14:11:58 <dgilmore> bexelbie: what is jona's irc nick? she should replace amsharma right?
14:12:11 <bexelbie> #topic Fedora IoT
14:12:13 <bexelbie> dgilmore, not yet
14:12:16 <bexelbie> not until the release
14:12:17 <dgilmore> okay
14:12:26 <bexelbie> #info Fedora IoT lead at a conference
14:12:33 <bexelbie> #topic Continuous Integration and Delivery of Fedora Atomic Host
14:12:40 <bexelbie> dperpeet, can you update us?
14:12:52 <dperpeet> yup
14:13:16 <dperpeet> so opt-in for gating is very close to being enablde
14:13:19 <dperpeet> enabled
14:13:24 <dperpeet> finally :)
14:13:49 <bexelbie> woo!!
14:14:10 <dperpeet> yes
14:14:18 <dperpeet> so it's mostly about some config changes
14:14:27 <dperpeet> the CI pipelines are still churning away
14:14:37 <dperpeet> and will be ready for people to use their results again
14:14:46 <dperpeet> that said, I'm still working on a revamp of the CI objective
14:15:01 <bexelbie> where do you think that is going? expanded scope? what?
14:15:12 * bexelbie asks dperpeet to break him off a preview of the remix :P
14:15:34 <dperpeet> well, I need to iterate a bit on the proposal before presenting it to the community
14:15:43 <dperpeet> but one of the core pieces I think is that we should look more closely at rawhide
14:15:53 <bexelbie> +1
14:15:56 <dperpeet> for testing and gating
14:16:00 <dperpeet> since that is where developer focus is
14:16:06 <dperpeet> and where everyone will benefit the most
14:16:15 <bexelbie> would you start with core or try to eat the whole elephant at once?
14:16:31 <dperpeet> good question
14:16:38 <dperpeet> that depends on who wants to be a stakeholder :)
14:16:47 <dperpeet> I think the objective should eat the whole elephant
14:17:04 <dperpeet> but implement in iterations
14:17:44 <dperpeet> I hope to share an iteration in the next two weeks
14:18:02 <bexelbie> awesome
14:18:14 * bexelbie likes the idea of gating optionally in Rawhide to improve catching issues
14:18:16 <langdon> mmm elephant
14:18:18 <dperpeet> and this will build on the existing work
14:18:24 <dgilmore> dperpeet: I like that approach
14:18:27 <dperpeet> so we won't waste any of the pieces
14:18:30 <bexelbie> and I hope we can see this grow to the entire set of packages for ease of catching leaf issues
14:18:54 <dperpeet> one thing specifically we've been looking at is automatic reverse dependency testing
14:19:02 <dperpeet> which will provide proper incentive to adding tests
14:19:08 <dperpeet> i.e. you start gating people who break your stuff
14:19:10 <dperpeet> :)
14:19:47 <bexelbie> interesting .. I am curious how will that work if my dependent user things a feature is a bug ?
14:19:58 <bexelbie> s/things/thinks/
14:20:08 <dperpeet> then you need to communicate
14:20:22 <dperpeet> because those are the breakages that catch us off guard
14:20:23 <dperpeet> right now
14:20:24 <dperpeet> "oops"
14:20:25 <dperpeet> :)
14:20:41 <dperpeet> and synchronize changes, for example
14:21:02 <dperpeet> but these are things for the proposal, and your questions lead me to believe we're on the right track :D
14:21:23 <bexelbie> cool - as communication is a current theme in our project - this is a great chance to make sure we know where that conversation can take place.  I am feeling that src.fp.o is going to see more issues and PRs
14:21:26 <bexelbie> that is awesome!
14:21:30 <contyk> .hello psabata
14:21:31 <zodbot> contyk: psabata 'Petr Šabata' <psabata@redhat.com>
14:21:32 * contyk is very late
14:21:46 <bexelbie> dperpeet, anything else?
14:21:54 <dperpeet> I agree
14:21:57 <dperpeet> I think that's it, thank you
14:22:09 <bexelbie> #topic - we interrupt this programming too ... Welcome Petr! contyk to the council
14:22:12 <bexelbie> ty dperpeet
14:22:14 <bexelbie> welcome contyk
14:22:18 <bexelbie> I think this is your first meeting
14:22:41 <contyk> cheers; indeed, it is
14:22:56 <contyk> I need to add to my calendar; I have to say the invitation was a bit confusing
14:23:01 <langdon> WELCOME!
14:23:08 <dperpeet> welcome!
14:23:17 <dgilmore> contyk: how so?
14:23:21 <bexelbie> contyk, I'll forward you a meeting invite
14:23:21 <dgilmore> and welcome
14:23:27 <contyk> it said both 10am EDT and 3pm EDT
14:23:35 <contyk> one was in the metadata, the other in the text
14:23:38 <bexelbie> all timezones are EDT
14:23:39 <langdon> contyk: there are lots of meetings
14:23:53 <dgilmore> contyk: we used to do it at 3pm EDT and one day a month at 10AM EDT
14:23:54 <bexelbie> CETEDT :P
14:23:54 <contyk> well, this was both in one :)
14:23:57 <dgilmore> it changed recently
14:24:10 <contyk> okay, then it needs to be updated
14:24:15 <dgilmore> si
14:24:55 <bexelbie> so welcome and the show rolls on :)
14:24:56 <bexelbie> #topic Fedora Modularization — The Release
14:24:58 <bexelbie> langdon,
14:25:02 <bexelbie> langdon, do the typing thing
14:25:09 * bexelbie notes he has a laptop now
14:25:16 <langdon> typing!
14:25:35 <langdon> ok... so translation work for modules is ongoing (like support not actual translations)
14:25:48 <langdon> reviewing the objective for what changes it will need for f29
14:26:06 <langdon> also been discussing how do we drive more modules
14:26:32 <langdon> moving much of our work to taiga..
14:26:38 * langdon digs for link
14:27:00 <contyk> https://tree.taiga.io/project/modularity-wg/epics
14:27:08 <langdon> contyk: ha... thanks!
14:27:23 <langdon> #link https://tree.taiga.io/project/modularity-wg/epics modularity working group board
14:27:37 <langdon> also trying to make sure there are more regular video meetings..
14:27:48 <langdon> expect these changes around the roll out of f29
14:27:56 <langdon> contyk: anything else i didn't mention?
14:28:18 <contyk> plenty of work ahead, still, as the taiga board shows
14:28:47 <langdon> contyk: yes!
14:28:52 <langdon> we need more help..
14:29:02 <langdon> hence the move to try to make it easier for people to contribute
14:29:16 <bexelbie> If we have a project in any of our objectives that we could put into outreachy or gsoc let's get them ready
14:29:24 <contyk> we need to update all the standard processes to involve modules and make modular content more discoverable
14:29:57 <contyk> bexelbie: good idea; something to thing about, too
14:30:20 <bexelbie> I know that Laura and I would both love to see a larger set of project options
14:30:32 <langdon> bexelbie: when is the due date?
14:30:52 <bexelbie> if you have more basic tasks, we are participating in GCI now, but it is small tasks for highschool students, so it may not be as applicable
14:31:22 <langdon> any writers?
14:32:01 <langdon> let's take it off line
14:32:05 <contyk> +1
14:32:09 <langdon> otherwise i think i can wrap
14:32:16 <bexelbie> ty langdon
14:32:20 <bexelbie> #topic Open Floor
14:32:39 <bexelbie> Any other issues we should adress today?
14:32:55 <bexelbie> let's give pbrobinson a moment
14:32:57 <bexelbie> he may join us
14:34:21 <bexelbie> I encourage every council member to immediately go vote in all open tickets that need votes :)
14:34:35 <langdon> numbers!
14:34:46 * bexelbie looks and hopes everyone else does too :)
14:34:46 <langdon> bexelbie: he is currently on the darkside?
14:35:07 <bexelbie> 222 223
14:35:26 <bexelbie> those look like it
14:35:37 <bexelbie> I'll be sending updates about the hack out soon - I am waiting on a proforma invoice
14:35:39 <langdon> contyk: isn't there a new zodbot command that will expand pagure tickets?
14:36:17 <contyk> langdon: there are per-project commands
14:36:23 <langdon> contyk: :(
14:36:48 <bexelbie> #proposal our fesco rep to port that functionality :)
14:36:51 * bexelbie looks at contyk
14:37:02 <bexelbie> ok, no Peter R
14:37:20 <contyk> I can find someone who will
14:37:26 <bexelbie> +1
14:37:52 * contyk takes a note
14:38:31 <bexelbie> barring more conversation, I suggest we close and use the next 23 min to update tickets/emails
14:38:45 <contyk> re: #219, is nov 27-30 the final date?
14:39:57 <bexelbie> no
14:40:10 <bexelbie> Dec 2-8
14:40:13 <bexelbie> is likely
14:40:14 <bexelbie> for the week
14:40:21 <bexelbie> I am trying to nail down the fly in days
14:40:22 <contyk> ok, still no final date then
14:40:30 <bexelbie> but it looks like tuesday/saturday
14:40:36 <bexelbie> fly in/out
14:40:53 <bexelbie> that is the final date barring a hotel booking problem
14:40:59 <bexelbie> langdon, will be swimming in
14:41:15 <dperpeet> ok, Dec 2-8 will likely be a -1 for me then
14:41:31 <bexelbie> :(
14:43:13 <bexelbie> ok, any other comments/questions?
14:44:59 <bexelbie> ty all!
14:45:03 <bexelbie> #endmeeting