14:03:14 #startmeeting FPgM Office Hours 14:03:14 Meeting started Wed Nov 28 14:03:14 2018 UTC. 14:03:14 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 14:03:14 The chair is bcotton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:03:14 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:03:14 The meeting name has been set to 'fpgm_office_hours' 14:03:38 #info This is an open meeting to discuss anything related to Fedora Program Management. I am here for you 14:03:45 #topic Announcements 14:04:00 #info No FPgM office hours next week 14:04:09 #topic Elections 14:04:24 #info Nominations are due by 23:59 UTC today 14:04:47 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections 14:05:04 #undo 14:05:04 Removing item from minutes: 14:05:06 #undo 14:05:06 Removing item from minutes: INFO by bcotton at 14:04:24 : Nominations are due by 23:59 UTC today 14:05:07 #undo 14:05:07 Removing item from minutes: 14:05:09 forgot one! 14:05:20 #info Fedora 27 EOL is Friday 14:05:24 #topic Elections 14:05:32 #info Nominations are due by 23:59 UTC today 14:05:35 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections 14:05:39 #topic Open floor 14:27:45 Ho 14:27:52 .hello2 14:27:54 x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' 14:30:16 hello, x3mboy! 14:30:38 Hi 14:30:45 How are you? 14:30:58 doing well, and you? 14:32:40 I'm fine 14:33:22 anything in particular you wanted to discuss, or just hanging out? 14:34:20 I was about to ask you, there is any though you would like to share about the telegram ticket I've opened 14:34:54 i haven't read your last update in detail yet 14:35:42 my feelings in general are still mixed. on the one hand, i think IRC is not super approachable for folks. on the other hand, i worry about the proliferation of communication channels 14:36:01 there's a good balance for us to strike, and i'm not sure where i think it should be 14:38:01 I think there is a lot of opposition, several folks think about anything outside ML and IRC as unofficial, because not many people is "in charge" of them 14:38:32 Hopefully I can make Telegram a better way to reach new users 14:39:16 yeah, it's a little bit of a "chicken or the egg" problem. hard to have a good moderator pool if we don't have a lot of users, but it's harder to get users if it's not an official channel 14:39:41 It's easier to not Linux advance users to use an IM tool, better than IRC 14:40:10 Exactly 14:40:20 for better or for worse, IRC has a lot of inertia so we're not looking at replacing IRC so much as adding Telegram. which means folks have one more place they have to monitor 14:40:31 for people who aren't already using telegram, that makes it not a benefit 14:42:05 (that's not to say that we _shouldn't_ use telegram, but i can understand why people would be hesitant) 14:42:52 what i think i'd like to see more evidence of is the benefits of making telegram channels official Fedora communication methods 14:43:12 there's not much concrete there at the moment 14:52:02 Well, for me, I have the benefit from bridged channels 14:52:15 o/ 14:52:18 I can stay up-to-date of conversation and issues 14:52:34 Because I'm blocked in my office to use IRC 14:52:36 hi contyk 14:52:45 hey hey 14:52:51 contyk o/ 14:54:19 And in testing with commops, D&I and Join, meetings are easy to attend from both, web.telegram.org and mobile client 14:55:29 yeah. i think my main question at this point is: why does it have to be official? why not just leave them as unofficial channels? that's what i'd like to see more reasoning behind 14:55:40 but i'm going to go ahead and wrap this up so we can start the council meeting in a few minutes 14:58:23 Ok 14:58:39 Also I need to go. I will try to follow the meeting 14:58:50 okay, thanks for the discussion, x3mboy 14:58:53 #endmeeting