19:00:18 <bcotton> #startmeeting F30 Readiness Meeting
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19:00:27 <bcotton> #topic Roll Call
19:00:32 <mboddu> .hello mohanboddu
19:00:33 <zodbot> mboddu: mohanboddu 'Mohan Boddu' <mboddu@bhujji.com>
19:00:43 <mboddu> And hello all, long time now see :P
19:00:47 <mboddu> s/now/no/
19:00:52 <nirik> morning
19:00:56 <x3mboy> .hello2
19:00:57 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
19:01:14 <str8edgedave> .hello
19:01:14 <zodbot> str8edgedave: (hello <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1".
19:01:36 <str8edgedave> .hello str8edgedave
19:01:37 <zodbot> str8edgedave: Sorry, but you don't exist
19:02:00 <bcotton> aw, poor str8edgedave :-(
19:02:55 <str8edgedave> lol. I've been gone for around 2 years.. Just getting back into the swing of things.
19:03:04 <bcotton> str8edgedave: welcome back
19:03:12 <x3mboy> wb
19:03:15 <str8edgedave> bcotton: thanks!
19:03:32 <x3mboy> bcotton, I think we had a NO-GO decission, right?
19:03:43 <bcotton> x3mboy: don't spoil the surprise :-)
19:04:48 <x3mboy> xD
19:04:50 <x3mboy> Sorry
19:05:05 <bcotton> okay, let's get started
19:05:21 <bcotton> #info Before each public release all of the groups participating the development of Fedora's next release meet to make sure the release is well-coordinated.
19:05:22 <bcotton> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Readiness_Meetings
19:05:32 <bcotton> #topic Current status
19:05:34 <bcotton> #info Fedora 30 is NO-GO
19:05:39 <bcotton> #info The next Go/No-Go meeting is Friday, 26 April at 1700 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1
19:05:41 <bcotton> #info The release is currently scheduled for 2019-04-30
19:05:53 <bcotton> yes, you saw that right. we're going to shake things up a little bit this time around
19:05:54 <mboddu> And the surprise lasted for 30 sec :D
19:06:31 <str8edgedave> May I as why F30 is NO-GO?
19:06:37 <str8edgedave> as=ask
19:06:43 <nb> .hello2
19:06:44 <bcotton> str8edgedave: outstanding blocker bugs
19:06:48 <zodbot> nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' <nick@bebout.net>
19:06:50 <mhroncok> str8edgedave: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-04-25/f30-final-go_no_go-meeting.2019-04-25-17.01.html
19:07:20 <bcotton> any other questions on the status or the unusual timeline?
19:07:45 <x3mboy> Not from me
19:08:16 <bcotton> okay, the moving on
19:08:25 <bcotton> #topic Cloud WG
19:08:30 <bcotton> anyone here from cloud WG?
19:08:50 <bcotton> dustymabe, e.g.
19:08:53 <adamw> .hello adamwill
19:08:54 <zodbot> adamw: adamwill 'Adam Williamson' <awilliam@redhat.com>
19:08:55 <adamw> i'm here is
19:08:56 <adamw> h
19:09:00 <adamw> (for qa, not cloud)
19:09:12 <bowlofeggs> .hello2
19:09:13 <zodbot> bowlofeggs: bowlofeggs 'Randy Barlow' <rbarlow@redhat.com>
19:09:30 <mboddu> adamw: Well, autocloud is part of QA and has Cloud in its name, you can vote :P
19:09:34 <bcotton> lol
19:09:43 <bcotton> okay, looks like it's a sunny day
19:09:45 <bcotton> #topic Design
19:09:45 <adamw> ....no
19:09:55 <bcotton> anyone here from design?
19:11:09 <x3mboy> Can you hear the silence?
19:11:18 <bcotton> #topic Desktop
19:11:33 <bcotton> anyone here from desktop?
19:12:39 <nb> Bueller?
19:12:40 <mhroncok> this looks like a quick meeting
19:12:41 <bcotton> #topic Documentation
19:13:02 <bcotton> i can say a few things on behalf of the docs team
19:13:07 <mboddu> bcotton: You shouldn't have said no-go at the start of the meeting, seems like everyone is gone ;)
19:13:11 <x3mboy> Go for it!
19:13:13 <bcotton> #help Contributions needed for the Release Notes
19:13:16 <bcotton> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/release-notes/issues?status=Open&search_pattern=F30&close_status=
19:13:27 <bcotton> anything else for docs?
19:14:24 <bcotton> #topic Fedora Project Leader
19:14:38 <bcotton> i know mattdm is always ready for the release
19:14:46 * bowlofeggs looks to the sky for mattdm's parachute
19:15:15 <nb> its a bird! its a plane! no, it's mattdm!
19:15:15 <zbyszek> bcotton: that's a long list of notes to write
19:15:20 <nirik> mattdm: the very first avenger!
19:15:28 <bcotton> zbyszek: aye :-(
19:15:56 <bcotton> #topic FESCo
19:16:08 <bcotton> i know there's some FESCo-ians here to tell us how ready FESCo is
19:16:11 * bowlofeggs is 1/9th ready
19:16:22 * zbyszek also happens to be 1/9th ready
19:16:42 <bcotton> by adamw's fuzzy counter, that's at least 36 ready
19:16:44 <sgallagh> Do all of my identities get a vote?
19:16:46 <mboddu> So, we need at least 5 votes to round it up to 1?
19:16:51 <bowlofeggs> hahaha
19:16:59 <zbyszek> No outstanding issues from FESCo.
19:17:02 * nirik should be all ready.
19:17:09 <bowlofeggs> that's 3/9ths!
19:18:02 <bcotton> #topic Infrastructure
19:18:05 <mhroncok> I'm rady
19:18:08 <mhroncok> *ready
19:18:35 <bowlofeggs> i'm 1/20th (?) ready from infra
19:18:36 <mhroncok> however I'd like to get rid of mongo packages from the repos (not a blocker)
19:19:20 <mboddu> mhroncok: I think they should be gone in tonights compose
19:19:52 <mboddu> mhroncok: Well, its still running, once done they will be gone
19:20:34 <nirik> all ready
19:20:53 <bcotton> thanks, nirik
19:20:55 <bcotton> #topic Marketing
19:21:01 <nirik> rc1 took a long time to make, but rc2 hopefully will be better
19:21:12 <bcotton> #undo
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19:21:28 <bcotton> nirik: is there a reason for that hope or are you just an optimistic guy?
19:21:54 <adamw> rc1 got stuck on specific problems with s390
19:21:55 <mhroncok> twice the rc, half the time to compose
19:21:58 <nirik> we lowered the weight on the s390x builders...
19:22:04 <adamw> for rc2 we hopefully won't have those, and if we do, we can actively monitor a bit harder
19:22:13 <nirik> so they should take fewer jobs at once, but hopefully finish them faster
19:22:14 <mboddu> Also, we rebooted the s390x machines
19:22:42 <bcotton> #info Infra changes to s390x builders should improve the compose time for RC2
19:23:15 <bcotton> anything else for infra?
19:24:48 <nirik> nope
19:24:59 <bcotton> #topic Marketing
19:25:06 <x3mboy> I'm here
19:25:08 <bcotton> x3mboy: go ahead
19:25:27 <x3mboy> Well, basically the same of each release, we don't have all Talking Points
19:25:47 <x3mboy> There is a discussion about if TPs will be still a thing for next releases
19:26:00 <bcotton> #help Talking Points contributions needed
19:26:01 <bcotton> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_30_talking_points
19:26:08 <x3mboy> Discussion goes towards Amby's are really using TPs
19:26:16 <x3mboy> But, nothing else from us
19:26:19 <x3mboy> eom
19:26:55 <str8edgedave> As an Ambassador, I like the talking points.
19:27:01 <bcotton> x3mboy: want me to draft the Final announcement magazine article?
19:27:07 <x3mboy> <3
19:27:18 <x3mboy> bcotton: we have an initial draft I think
19:27:26 <x3mboy> From a contributor
19:27:47 <bcotton> str8edgedave: please weigh in on the mailing list thread so we can see how you use them
19:27:57 <str8edgedave> ACK
19:27:57 <x3mboy> Also, AFAIR, Final release announcement comes from mattdm (FPL)
19:28:12 <bcotton> x3mboy: i mean it runs under his name, but that doesn't mean he writes it :-)
19:28:17 <x3mboy> But, yes, He normally ask us from ideas and a draft to it
19:28:30 <mhroncok> x3mboy: can I send you some talking pints ideas? i don't have time to write them, just mantion them somewhere, so they can be adapted and turned into talkingpoints
19:28:41 <mhroncok> omg pints. i need one
19:28:44 <x3mboy> mhroncok: ML, please!
19:29:00 <mhroncok> x3mboy: sure. ambassadors? marketing?
19:29:12 <x3mboy> mhroncok: marketing
19:29:20 <mhroncok> ack
19:31:07 <bcotton> x3mboy: can you verify that there's a draft of the magazine article? if there isn't one, i'll put something together tomorrow
19:31:36 <x3mboy> I'm checking now
19:31:50 <bcotton> awesome, thanks
19:31:56 <bcotton> anything else for marketing before we move on?
19:31:59 <x3mboy> Nope
19:32:19 <bcotton> #topic Mindshare
19:32:33 <nb> Hi
19:32:49 <nb> Mindshare has decided to delay the new Website until 2 weeks after the pot files are uploaded to Zanata
19:32:58 <nb> the new website can be seen at http://stg.getfedora.org
19:33:08 <nb> but the old website will be updated for Fedora 30's release
19:33:28 <nb> Since we wnat translators to have time to translate the new website since it is a lot of new strings
19:33:40 <bcotton> #info New website rollout is delayed until 2 weeks after pot files are uploaded to Zanata so translators have time to work on it
19:33:49 <bcotton> #link http://stg.getfedora.org
19:34:16 <x3mboy> :O
19:34:30 <bcotton> the new website looks very nice
19:34:37 <x3mboy> There isn't any mention of the spins! Or labs!
19:34:40 <x3mboy> :O
19:34:41 <nb> relrod++ for making the website
19:34:43 <zodbot> nb: Karma for codeblock changed to 9 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
19:34:47 <x3mboy> Well, I can say, it's really beatiful
19:35:08 <bcotton> ooh, that's a good point x3mboy
19:35:20 <x3mboy> We are going to have that discussion again
19:35:22 <str8edgedave> I like it! Will it be ready for Red Hat Summit?
19:35:22 <x3mboy> :'(
19:35:49 <relrod_cld> Most credit to Ryan and the design team, not me.
19:36:11 <x3mboy> relrod++
19:36:11 <zodbot> x3mboy: Karma for codeblock changed to 10 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
19:36:14 <x3mboy> cverna++
19:36:14 <zodbot> x3mboy: Karma for cverna changed to 27 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
19:36:26 <x3mboy> Oooppps
19:36:27 <nb> relrod_cld, am curious, why no mention of spins and labs?
19:36:31 <nb> ryanlerch++
19:36:31 <zodbot> nb: Karma for ryanlerch changed to 8 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
19:36:32 <x3mboy> ryanlerch++
19:36:35 <zodbot> x3mboy: Karma for ryanlerch changed to 9 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
19:36:44 <nb> cookies all around!!!
19:36:53 <nb> yummy
19:37:35 <relrod_cld> nb: we can/should at least link them in the footer. At first we weren't sure how they were going to fit into the new system. But for now those aren't changing so we should link to them
19:37:37 <jlanda> nb++
19:37:38 <zodbot> jlanda: Karma for nb changed to 16 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
19:38:45 <mboddu> relrod_cld: Rather than a footer, can we add them after the emerging Fedora edition section? Just a thought and we can talk about this later
19:39:05 <mattdm> x3mboy and bcotton thank you so much for the announce draft work!
19:39:27 <x3mboy> mattdm appears like a ninja
19:39:29 <relrod_cld> Yes let's chat when I'm not typing on a phone :)
19:39:46 <bcotton> relrod_cld: i'm going to make a ticket in fedora-websites for people comment on if that works for you?
19:39:56 <x3mboy> Last time was a looooong and aweful discussion, I think this is not the place to have that again
19:39:59 <relrod_cld> +1
19:40:55 <bcotton> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-websites/issue/950
19:41:15 <bcotton> ^^ x3mboy, mboddu, et al
19:41:27 <relrod_cld> Thanks 🙏
19:41:33 <x3mboy> I saw it
19:41:46 <bcotton> happy to make work^W^W help, relrod_cld
19:41:53 <bcotton> anything else for mindshare?
19:42:22 <nb> EOF
19:42:45 <bcotton> #topic QA
19:43:12 <bcotton> QA is hard at work to close out the last few blockers in the next 21 hours
19:43:47 <bcotton> #info 1 blocker and several freeze exceptions are being resolved
19:43:53 <mhroncok> x3mboy: I've just used the web interface to reply to https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/B6V4DORUVYC27CN7L6QWU3NBFKNBPJCI/ but I don't see my e-mail there :(
19:44:48 <mboddu> mhroncok: I think it takes time to publish, give it couple of min
19:45:09 <mattdm> x3mboy: and disappears again into the night, I'm afraid :)
19:45:17 <x3mboy> mattdm: LOL
19:45:21 <x3mboy> mattdm: see ya
19:45:30 <bcotton> #topic Release Engineering
19:45:36 <x3mboy> mattdm: I want to cross some words with you, but I will drop an email about it
19:45:57 <bcotton> mboddu
19:45:58 <mboddu> We are not ready, well, we are still expecting a new RC 1.2 request from QA
19:46:07 <mboddu> And the outstanding blocker
19:46:23 <bcotton> #info RelEng is awaiting a new RC request from QA
19:47:38 <bcotton> anything else for releng?
19:48:38 <bcotton> #topic Server WG
19:48:44 <bcotton> sgallagh: >
19:48:48 <bcotton> ?, too
19:48:57 <mboddu> bcotton: Nope, thats all
19:49:09 <mboddu> ^ for your previous releng question
19:49:52 <sgallagh> Server submitted out talking points. I think that’s about it
19:50:37 <bcotton> sgallagh++
19:50:58 <bcotton> #topic Spins
19:51:14 <bcotton> apart from not being on the new website, anyone have spins-related readiness content?
19:51:36 * satellit soas works well
19:52:04 <nirik> Xfce is as happy as f29's. ;)
19:53:02 <bcotton> satellit: good to hear. nirik: i notice your careful wordign
19:53:34 <x3mboy> sgallagh++
19:53:34 <zodbot> x3mboy: Karma for sgallagh changed to 18 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
19:53:35 * satellit also cinnamon and mate live tested
19:53:46 <nirik> ha. well, there's been a few bugs around shipping 4.13 (the development stream), but IMHO none of them are that serious (even tho someone asked the sig to consider downgrading back to 4.12)
19:53:46 <x3mboy> birik++
19:53:49 <x3mboy> nirik++
19:53:49 <zodbot> x3mboy: Karma for kevin changed to 44 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
19:53:58 <x3mboy> satellit++
19:53:59 <zodbot> x3mboy: Karma for satellit changed to 1 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
19:54:08 <bcotton> satellit++
19:54:08 <zodbot> bcotton: Karma for satellit changed to 2 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
19:54:09 <mhroncok> (does this include labs?)
19:54:32 <bcotton> mhroncok: yes!
19:54:49 <bcotton> nirik: the solution is modularity
19:54:50 * bcotton ducks
19:55:15 <mhroncok> Python Classroom Lab seems to build in Koji, I ave no idea if there is anything I need to do to ensure it will be shipped
19:55:22 <mhroncok> F29 was skipped. beta didn't build :(
19:55:51 <bcotton> mboddu: did classroom lab complete in rc1?
19:56:03 <mboddu> bcotton: Let me check
19:56:16 <nirik> there were a few that did fail.
19:56:31 <nirik> robotics, sci-kde, jam-kde
19:56:38 <nirik> cinn (32bit only)
19:56:52 <mboddu> bcotton: Yes, we have it
19:57:12 <bcotton> mboddu: thanks! that's good news for mhroncok
19:57:24 <bcotton> nirik: any idea if those were transient or systemic failures?
19:57:52 <mhroncok> mboddu: does that men it will be delivered? ot do I need to check somehting else as well?
19:58:00 <mboddu> mhroncok: https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/30_RC-1.1/Labs/ seems to carry all the images and iso for python-classroom
19:58:12 <nirik> bcotton: I haven't had time to look.
19:58:21 <mboddu> mhroncok: It will be delivered
19:58:26 <bcotton> nirik: okay, don't worry about it then
19:58:28 <mhroncok> mboddu++
19:58:29 <nirik> I suspect it's broken deps/things that need fixing.
19:58:42 <nirik> we can mail the spins list and ask maintainers to check their spins I suppose
19:59:26 <mboddu> mhroncok: If the image is built, it will be delivered
19:59:28 <bcotton> probably a little late for that if we're going to fire off another rc in the next couple of hours
19:59:55 <mboddu> bcotton: Probably, since they require at least a FE to push any changes
19:59:56 <nirik> bcotton: likely unless the fixes are very quick
20:00:03 <nirik> and yeah, would need a fe
20:01:53 <bcotton> ok. maybe for f31 we can be mroe proactive about pinging folks
20:02:17 <nirik> it would definitely be nice to have a better way to notify people on that
20:02:27 <bcotton> or maybe we can just get to a self-service compose state :-D
20:02:54 <mhroncok> fedpkg spinbuild --nowait
20:03:06 <nirik> perhaps...
20:03:49 <bcotton> okay, anything else for spins?
20:05:13 <bcotton> #topic Translations
20:05:27 <bcotton> apart from preparing to translate the website, anything from the translators?
20:06:38 <bcotton> #topic Websites
20:06:47 <bcotton> we've already covered this, but anything else on the topic?
20:07:16 <x3mboy> I have a question
20:07:28 <x3mboy> Sorry, I was saving that for OF
20:07:38 <x3mboy> Just a wrong middle-click
20:07:41 <bcotton> :-)
20:07:46 <bcotton> well good timing because
20:07:49 <bcotton> #Open Floor
20:07:53 <bcotton> #undo
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20:08:05 <bcotton> double d'oh
20:08:06 <bcotton> anyway
20:08:09 <bcotton> #topic Open floor
20:08:12 <x3mboy> LOL
20:08:12 <bcotton> x3mboy: go ahead
20:08:19 <x3mboy> Ok, I have a question
20:08:39 <x3mboy> I think some stuff are conflicting
20:08:46 <x3mboy> Or maybe is just my imagination
20:08:58 <x3mboy> And timing it's probably really important here
20:09:25 <x3mboy> 1. New logo: AFAIK is waiting for legal, but likely to be ready soon
20:10:12 <x3mboy> 2. New website: Maybe I was out for too much time, but there are some issues with it, also, is make with the current logo, not the new logo. IDK if there will be a discussion about the new branding
20:10:25 <x3mboy> 3. F30 release: it's like a week ahead
20:10:42 <x3mboy> If we combine these 3 things into a whirl, the outcome is not pretty at all
20:10:50 <x3mboy> bcotton: do you get me?
20:10:58 * nirik nods.
20:11:10 <nirik> the website isn't done tho, so perhaps it could update for new logo?
20:11:37 <bcotton> x3mboy: i get you, but i don't think they'll whirl as much as you worry about
20:12:24 <bcotton> i haven't heard any updates on getting the legal parts taken care of, but i think it's safe to say that it won't start being used in the next few weeks
20:12:31 <bcotton> it being the new logo
20:12:36 <mhroncok> I get another question: what is the actual outcome form this meeting? clearly, we 33 % ready?
20:12:59 <mhroncok> or is it 29?
20:13:19 <x3mboy> mhroncok: the current reading is: Teams are ready when the GO/NO-GO meeting say they are ok to go
20:13:42 <x3mboy> bcotton: ok, so I'm not going to worry about it then
20:13:43 <bcotton> mhroncok: that's another point i want to get to next
20:14:08 <x3mboy> But honestly, I shouldn't ship/work on the new site until the new brand is ready
20:14:13 <bcotton> x3mboy: in an ideal world, I'd like them to all land at the same time, well-coordinated, with messaging all set to go
20:14:17 <x3mboy> It will mean a lot of rework
20:14:34 <x3mboy> But, it's websites work xD
20:14:34 <bcotton> my understanding is that the change is mostly in the logo itself, not the overall branding
20:14:49 <str8edgedave> gotta head out!
20:14:53 <x3mboy> Ok, move on.
20:14:54 <x3mboy> eom
20:15:01 <bcotton> cool
20:15:16 <bcotton> okay, so as mhroncok points out...this meeting seems....to be of questionable value
20:15:19 <x3mboy> bcotton: that sounds like a beatiful world
20:15:30 <bcotton> x3mboy: it is. you should see what color the sky is ;-)
20:16:07 <bcotton> i don't want to come to a conclusion today, but i'm going to start conversations about if we should continue having this meeting and if we do, how we can make it more useful
20:16:26 <x3mboy> bcotton: the meeting is useful
20:16:28 <bcotton> so i'd encourage everyone to give that some thought
20:16:37 <x3mboy> But tbh, only if all the teams are present
20:16:40 <mboddu> bcotton: I guess this should be part of GO/No-Go meeting when we are GO
20:17:12 <x3mboy> Also, if we take care about teams to ship the next release, we need to have a space to speak out
20:17:31 <bcotton> mboddu: i'm actually thinking about putting this a week ahead of the first Go/no-go meeting so that if there are major red flags, they're address *before* we decide to be Go
20:17:33 <mboddu> If we are GO, then we can ask around and check if everything is ready from their end, if we are no-go, we dont care, we are still no-go
20:18:12 <bcotton> for example, that could be the point where we check in on failed spins
20:18:38 <x3mboy> bcotton: are failed spins/labs blockers for the release?
20:18:50 <mboddu> bcotton: I see, that helps with Marketing, websites folks to get their stuff, but for QA, RelEng and probably Infra we dont know that by then
20:19:03 <bcotton> but i agree with x3mboy's point that if most teams don't show up, then it loses something
20:19:36 <mboddu> x3mboy: Only KDE spin is a blocker
20:19:41 <bcotton> mboddu: sure, but that's the point of the go/no-go meeting
20:20:18 <bcotton> it's good for us to coordinate between different groups, i'm just not convinced that the current state of this meeting is the best way to do that
20:20:39 <mboddu> bcotton: Agreed
20:20:46 <bcotton> i don't have a whole lot of concrete thoughts on it myself yet, just throwing it out there
20:21:04 <mhroncok> I agree that this needs a change
20:21:45 <x3mboy> bcotton: a good topic to mindshare, maybe?
20:21:56 <x3mboy> s/to/for/g
20:22:01 <bcotton> x3mboy: mindshare is part of it, but it's not just a mindshare issue
20:22:02 <mboddu> Probably Readiness meeting a week before Go/No-Go and then final check meeting after Go/No-Go (as part of Go/No-Go itself but only if we are Go)
20:22:19 <x3mboy> bcotton: no, but they should be the connectors of everything
20:23:23 <bcotton> x3mboy: council is probably the more appropriate body in this case, since this includes both mindshare's and fesco's areas of responsibility
20:23:38 <x3mboy> bcotton: that makes sense
20:24:14 <bcotton> but once the release is out, i'll put together some thoughts and share them out with the community to get more thoughts
20:25:26 <bcotton> any other topics for this meeting?
20:25:57 <mboddu> None from me
20:27:05 <x3mboy> nope
20:27:10 <x3mboy> Also need to run
20:27:11 <bcotton> okay, thanks everyone!
20:27:14 <x3mboy> See ya guys
20:28:09 <bcotton> #endmeeting