16:01:26 <geppetto> #startmeeting fpc
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16:01:26 <geppetto> #meetingname fpc
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16:01:26 <geppetto> #topic Roll Call
16:01:33 <tibbs> Hey folks.
16:01:33 * limburgher here
16:01:39 <geppetto> #chair tibbs
16:01:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto tibbs
16:01:40 <redi> sup
16:01:41 <geppetto> #chair limburgher
16:01:41 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto limburgher tibbs
16:01:43 <geppetto> #chair redi
16:01:43 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto limburgher redi tibbs
16:01:45 <ignatenkobrain> .hello2
16:01:46 <zodbot> ignatenkobrain: ignatenkobrain 'Igor Gnatenko' <i.gnatenko.brain@gmail.com>
16:01:49 <geppetto> #chair ignatenkobrain
16:01:49 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto ignatenkobrain limburgher redi tibbs
16:04:29 <geppetto> Hmm, a quick 4 and then stops
16:04:56 <geppetto> mhroncok isn't around
16:05:14 <geppetto> oh, nevermind … I can't count
16:06:42 <geppetto> #topic Schedule
16:06:45 <geppetto> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/packaging@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/K6LF6OWPORIXLMX5SC7HFAGGFL7JFSSV/
16:06:58 <geppetto> #topic #899 Need to define ticket policy
16:07:02 <geppetto> .fpc 899
16:07:04 <zodbot> geppetto: Issue #899: Need to define ticket policy - packaging-committee - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/899
16:07:44 <geppetto> I feel like we spoke about this … but there's no link to a meeting in the comments
16:08:16 <tibbs> We did.  Lots of discussion a couple of weeks ago.
16:09:11 <geppetto> Anything you remember to #action or whatever?
16:10:24 <tibbs> I'm not entirely sure what agreement there was, but basically:
16:10:36 <tibbs> We need to garden the ticket list more consistently.
16:11:10 <tibbs> We need to bring to meeting anything not otherwise tagged, so things don't get missed just because someone didn't garden the list that week and tag something as meeting.
16:11:59 <geppetto> #action geppetto to find when we discussed this before and comment with link to the meeting minutes etc.
16:12:20 <geppetto> #action Try to get a ticket list that doesn't use meeting as a tag, so we don't miss tickets.
16:12:38 <geppetto> #topic #901 Golang pkg. review exception for Adopt new Guidelines change
16:12:43 <geppetto> .fpc 901
16:12:45 <zodbot> geppetto: Issue #901: Golang package review exception for Adopt new Go Packaging Guidelines change - packaging-committee - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/901
16:13:30 <tibbs> I don't have anything more to add here.
16:13:41 <geppetto> weirdly thought we'd talked about this too … Hmmm.
16:14:06 <geppetto> At least I remember someone decathorpe talking about the case preserving behaviour.
16:14:33 <ignatenkobrain> we did talk
16:14:38 <ignatenkobrain> both sides have their arguments
16:14:47 <tibbs> I added my comment two weeks ago just after we were discussing this in the meeting.
16:15:02 * geppetto nods
16:15:19 <geppetto> I'm pretty sure I was +1
16:16:29 <geppetto> Ahh, we talked about it in the open floor part
16:17:20 <geppetto> redi: limburgher You want to vote?
16:17:31 <limburgher> +1
16:21:51 <nim> sorry I was in the pagure ticket
16:22:10 <geppetto> nim: no problem
16:22:34 <redi> a fairly neutral +1 I guess
16:22:40 <nim> is there still something about the naming that needs info?
16:23:01 <geppetto> #action Golang pkg. review exception for Adopt new Guidelines change (+1:5, 0:0, -1:0)
16:23:12 <geppetto> nim: I don't think so
16:23:23 <geppetto> #topic #905 Question regarding build flags
16:23:27 <geppetto> .fpc 905
16:23:28 <zodbot> geppetto: Issue #905: Question regarding build flags - packaging-committee - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/905
16:23:35 <nim> geppetto, ok thanks vor the vote
16:24:43 <redi> somebody likes their ® as much as Intel® likes their ®
16:24:57 <limburgher> I have to go unexpectedly, if we need votes, could someone please email me a list of tickets?
16:25:12 <geppetto> Yeh, although 8 years seems long enough to let people enable it for a single package.
16:25:44 <geppetto> Well, that's only 4 again … so no exception, I guess.
16:25:52 <tibbs> Could be.  We haven't been presented with much information, really.
16:25:54 <redi> as tibbs said in the ticket, it should be possible to do this using gcc-specific extensions
16:26:20 <eclipseo> The SVT-* encoder are designed for high core count systems, it is useless on older systems
16:26:40 <geppetto> yeh, maybe … but I'd care a lot more about upstream being pushed to do that if the feature was a couple of years old.
16:26:51 <ignatenkobrain> myself I would vote +1 for the exception with condition to get an upstream ticket to provide some better way
16:27:20 <redi> even a local patch to just check __cpuid in main() and exit with an error if not supported
16:27:33 <redi> "sorry, you've installed this on hardware where it won't run"
16:27:51 <redi> if it did that, I'd be ok with building it with -march=avx
16:28:25 <redi> but just using avx and causing a SIGILL if somebody is silly enough to install it on old h/w seems bad
16:28:50 <ignatenkobrain> as long as user does not get some cryptic error, I'm fine
16:28:56 * geppetto nods
16:29:54 <geppetto> #action Please do a local patch to check __cpuid and print a usable message, so that things don't just get SIGILL and die.
16:30:14 <geppetto> #topic Open Floor
16:30:24 <redi> I have something
16:30:25 <geppetto> Ok, anything else to talk about?
16:30:34 <geppetto> red_beard: You have the floor :)
16:30:39 <geppetto> redi: You have the floor :)
16:31:11 <redi> I've been thinking of stepping down from FPC. I hoped I'd be able to contribute a lot more input than I have
16:31:24 <redi> but my "spare" time has been totally non-existent for the past year
16:31:35 <redi> $dayjob is constantly manic
16:32:11 <redi> and just paying 50% attention during these meetings is a drain on my time, let alone actually giving any useful input on tickets between the meetings
16:32:35 * geppetto nods
16:32:37 <tibbs> We all know the feeling of being busy.
16:33:23 <tibbs> Of course it's entirely up to you; if you don't feel that you can continue to usefully contribute then I'm sure everyone will understand.
16:34:07 <redi> I don't feel like I've been usefully contributing for months
16:34:43 <redi> if ever!
16:35:24 * geppetto nods
16:35:54 <geppetto> We currently have 10, instead of 9, so if you want to just step down that's fine.
16:36:47 <geppetto> We will miss you though, at least turning up to meetings and voting is quite useful … and you always had useful input about the docs.
16:37:45 <geppetto> Anything else?
16:40:01 <geppetto> Ok, I'm going to close the meeting and give everyone 20 minutes back
16:40:05 <geppetto> #endmeeting