16:01:26 #startmeeting fpc 16:01:26 Meeting started Thu Jun 20 16:01:26 2019 UTC. 16:01:26 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:01:26 The chair is geppetto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:01:26 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:01:26 The meeting name has been set to 'fpc' 16:01:26 #meetingname fpc 16:01:26 The meeting name has been set to 'fpc' 16:01:26 #topic Roll Call 16:01:33 Hey folks. 16:01:33 * limburgher here 16:01:39 #chair tibbs 16:01:39 Current chairs: geppetto tibbs 16:01:40 sup 16:01:41 #chair limburgher 16:01:41 Current chairs: geppetto limburgher tibbs 16:01:43 #chair redi 16:01:43 Current chairs: geppetto limburgher redi tibbs 16:01:45 .hello2 16:01:46 ignatenkobrain: ignatenkobrain 'Igor Gnatenko' 16:01:49 #chair ignatenkobrain 16:01:49 Current chairs: geppetto ignatenkobrain limburgher redi tibbs 16:04:29 Hmm, a quick 4 and then stops 16:04:56 mhroncok isn't around 16:05:14 oh, nevermind … I can't count 16:06:42 #topic Schedule 16:06:45 #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/packaging@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/K6LF6OWPORIXLMX5SC7HFAGGFL7JFSSV/ 16:06:58 #topic #899 Need to define ticket policy 16:07:02 .fpc 899 16:07:04 geppetto: Issue #899: Need to define ticket policy - packaging-committee - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/899 16:07:44 I feel like we spoke about this … but there's no link to a meeting in the comments 16:08:16 We did. Lots of discussion a couple of weeks ago. 16:09:11 Anything you remember to #action or whatever? 16:10:24 I'm not entirely sure what agreement there was, but basically: 16:10:36 We need to garden the ticket list more consistently. 16:11:10 We need to bring to meeting anything not otherwise tagged, so things don't get missed just because someone didn't garden the list that week and tag something as meeting. 16:11:59 #action geppetto to find when we discussed this before and comment with link to the meeting minutes etc. 16:12:20 #action Try to get a ticket list that doesn't use meeting as a tag, so we don't miss tickets. 16:12:38 #topic #901 Golang pkg. review exception for Adopt new Guidelines change 16:12:43 .fpc 901 16:12:45 geppetto: Issue #901: Golang package review exception for Adopt new Go Packaging Guidelines change - packaging-committee - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/901 16:13:30 I don't have anything more to add here. 16:13:41 weirdly thought we'd talked about this too … Hmmm. 16:14:06 At least I remember someone decathorpe talking about the case preserving behaviour. 16:14:33 we did talk 16:14:38 both sides have their arguments 16:14:47 I added my comment two weeks ago just after we were discussing this in the meeting. 16:15:02 * geppetto nods 16:15:19 I'm pretty sure I was +1 16:16:29 Ahh, we talked about it in the open floor part 16:17:20 redi: limburgher You want to vote? 16:17:31 +1 16:21:51 sorry I was in the pagure ticket 16:22:10 nim: no problem 16:22:34 a fairly neutral +1 I guess 16:22:40 is there still something about the naming that needs info? 16:23:01 #action Golang pkg. review exception for Adopt new Guidelines change (+1:5, 0:0, -1:0) 16:23:12 nim: I don't think so 16:23:23 #topic #905 Question regarding build flags 16:23:27 .fpc 905 16:23:28 geppetto: Issue #905: Question regarding build flags - packaging-committee - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/905 16:23:35 geppetto, ok thanks vor the vote 16:24:43 somebody likes their ® as much as Intel® likes their ® 16:24:57 I have to go unexpectedly, if we need votes, could someone please email me a list of tickets? 16:25:12 Yeh, although 8 years seems long enough to let people enable it for a single package. 16:25:44 Well, that's only 4 again … so no exception, I guess. 16:25:52 Could be. We haven't been presented with much information, really. 16:25:54 as tibbs said in the ticket, it should be possible to do this using gcc-specific extensions 16:26:20 The SVT-* encoder are designed for high core count systems, it is useless on older systems 16:26:40 yeh, maybe … but I'd care a lot more about upstream being pushed to do that if the feature was a couple of years old. 16:26:51 myself I would vote +1 for the exception with condition to get an upstream ticket to provide some better way 16:27:20 even a local patch to just check __cpuid in main() and exit with an error if not supported 16:27:33 "sorry, you've installed this on hardware where it won't run" 16:27:51 if it did that, I'd be ok with building it with -march=avx 16:28:25 but just using avx and causing a SIGILL if somebody is silly enough to install it on old h/w seems bad 16:28:50 as long as user does not get some cryptic error, I'm fine 16:28:56 * geppetto nods 16:29:54 #action Please do a local patch to check __cpuid and print a usable message, so that things don't just get SIGILL and die. 16:30:14 #topic Open Floor 16:30:24 I have something 16:30:25 Ok, anything else to talk about? 16:30:34 red_beard: You have the floor :) 16:30:39 redi: You have the floor :) 16:31:11 I've been thinking of stepping down from FPC. I hoped I'd be able to contribute a lot more input than I have 16:31:24 but my "spare" time has been totally non-existent for the past year 16:31:35 $dayjob is constantly manic 16:32:11 and just paying 50% attention during these meetings is a drain on my time, let alone actually giving any useful input on tickets between the meetings 16:32:35 * geppetto nods 16:32:37 We all know the feeling of being busy. 16:33:23 Of course it's entirely up to you; if you don't feel that you can continue to usefully contribute then I'm sure everyone will understand. 16:34:07 I don't feel like I've been usefully contributing for months 16:34:43 if ever! 16:35:24 * geppetto nods 16:35:54 We currently have 10, instead of 9, so if you want to just step down that's fine. 16:36:47 We will miss you though, at least turning up to meetings and voting is quite useful … and you always had useful input about the docs. 16:37:45 Anything else? 16:40:01 Ok, I'm going to close the meeting and give everyone 20 minutes back 16:40:05 #endmeeting