13:01:11 #startmeeting FPgM office hours 13:01:11 Meeting started Wed Jun 26 13:01:11 2019 UTC. 13:01:11 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 13:01:11 The chair is bcotton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:01:11 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 13:01:11 The meeting name has been set to 'fpgm_office_hours' 13:01:23 #info This is an open floor meeting to discuss anything program management related (elections, changes, schedule, etc) 13:01:25 o/ 13:01:36 ohai bexelbie 13:02:05 #topic Announcements 13:02:17 #info Changes requiring infrastructure changes are due TODAY 13:02:20 s/ohai/konnichiwa/ <-- fixed that for ya :P 13:02:41 #info Changes requiring mass rebuild and system-wide changes are due 2 July 13:02:52 #info Flock is 8-11 August 13:02:54 #link https://flocktofedora.org/ 13:02:55 #info Flock registration is open: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/flock-to-fedora-2019-tickets-55502933769 13:02:57 #info Flock CfP is open: https://pagure.io/flock/new_issue 13:03:00 #topic Open floor 13:03:13 bexelbie: did you have a Thing™ or are you just saying hi? 13:07:54 hello bcotton :) 13:08:04 hello jibec[m] 13:08:31 I submitted a flock talk about localization: https://pagure.io/flock/issue/143 13:08:51 I'll start the talk with some translation statistics 13:09:13 as FPgM, is there some question you would like to see answered? 13:09:18 * bcotton reads 13:10:56 i would love to see answers to the questions you propose. i think the other thing that's missing is a review of past l10n efforts and where they have been successful or not. and for the non-successes, how to address those 13:11:37 and specifically to my duties as FPgM, i'd want to know how whatever comes out of this meeting would need to be tied into the schedule, etc 13:14:15 jibec[m]: does this answer your question? 13:14:26 i'm thinking :p 13:14:37 ok. i'm all in favor of thinking :-) 13:15:23 I think you didn't answer my question ,) 13:15:32 but that's interesting anyway 13:16:16 i'm sorry, i must have misunderstood. (i'm only on coffee number two this morning). can you try again in a different way? 13:16:22 I can probably answer the "review of past l10n efforts" because I now have the zanata database dump, and hopefully I should be able to have stats and evaluate our impact 13:16:27 but my question was about the introduction 13:17:09 in the introduction, I'll provide some statistics on current localization progress 13:17:27 using three sources 13:17:43 appdatafiles (the content used to display content in Gnome Software) 13:17:51 zanata (our current translation platform) 13:18:02 and rpms (the list of our packages) 13:18:58 the localization progress will say: the amount of translation per language, with the ability to go software per software 13:22:03 just saying hi 13:23:17 so i'd be interested in seeing the stats over time. for example: how much has to be redone with a new release? how quickly does it happen? is the localization for atlantis at 90% because the team is big and works quickly, or is it at 90% because one person has been working on it the last 5 years 13:23:20 that kind of stuff 13:23:29 is that a better answer to your question? 13:23:38 bexelbie: hi! you might also be interested in this conversation 13:26:15 yes it does, but I'm unsure I have the required hardware ressources to answer all of them 13:26:37 one question I have and can't find answer: how much space do I need to download every single rpm of f30? 13:26:55 jibec[m]: i understand. it's easier to ask questions than to answer them :-) 13:27:03 jibec[m]: hm. that's a really good question 13:28:06 jibec[m], rpm or spec files? 13:28:14 jibec[m]: this file should give you the information you need https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/DIRECTORY_SIZES.txt 13:28:26 you'll have to do the math, though 13:28:48 oh, no! nevermind. you don't 13:29:36 jibec[m]: looks like ~14 GB for all of F30 13:30:00 ? 165G /pub/fedora/linux/updates/30/Everything 13:30:05 no, i lied again :-) 13:30:16 i looked at the wrong line 13:30:19 or ? 175G /pub/fedora/linux/updates/30 13:30:31 jibec[m]: i'm thinking it's this: 491G /pub/fedora/linux/releases/30 13:30:40 plus 491G /pub/fedora/linux/releases/30? 13:30:46 but that also includes debug packages 13:31:23 you might be able to get away with this: 163G /pub/fedora/linux/releases/30/Everything/x86_64 13:31:27 ok 13:31:37 this I can run on my machine 13:31:46 i suspect there aren't many packages that exist on other architectures that *don't* exist on x86_64 13:32:01 oh, and i guess you'd need to grab the noarch packages too 13:32:23 which may be in that directory anyway? 13:32:37 jibec[m]: i'd ask for help in #fedora-releng if you have questions 13:33:41 to have good rpm statistics, I have to download them all... current statistics I extracted only includes rpms in our Workstation Livecd: https://pagure.io/fedora-localization-statistics/blob/master/f/results/f30/3.result.csv 13:45:20 jibec[m]: makes sense (sorry i got distracted) 13:56:53 okay, time to clear the room for the Fedora Council meeting 13:57:06 jibec[m]: thanks for stopping by. if you have any more questions, i'm around 13:57:09 jibec[m]++ 13:57:14 jibec++ 13:57:16 bcotton: Karma for jibecfed changed to 3 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 13:57:27 #endmeeting