15:00:27 #startmeeting Minimization Team Meeting 15:00:27 Meeting started Wed Aug 21 15:00:27 2019 UTC. 15:00:27 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 15:00:27 The chair is asamalik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:27 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:27 The meeting name has been set to 'minimization_team_meeting' 15:00:27 #meetingname minimization 15:00:27 The meeting name has been set to 'minimization' 15:00:27 #chair asamalik pbrobinson zbyszek feborges Son_Goku lorbus salimma tdawson ignatenkobrain jaruga 15:00:27 Current chairs: Son_Goku asamalik feborges ignatenkobrain jaruga lorbus pbrobinson salimma tdawson zbyszek 15:00:27 #topic Roll call 15:01:20 .hello2 15:01:21 lorbus: lorbus 'Christian Glombek' 15:03:00 hi lorbus! 15:03:19 .hello2 15:03:21 ignatenkobrain: ignatenkobrain 'Igor Gnatenko' 15:03:23 * asamalik will give people a minute 15:03:26 hey ignatenkobrain! 15:03:30 Unfortunately I won't be able to attend full meeting 15:04:17 o/ yep let's use the first half our we have to our best :) 15:04:38 *half an hour 15:05:09 it's looks like it's just the three of us today :) 15:05:17 yeah, I'm for making it short 15:05:32 #topic === Admin === 15:05:39 Anything to discuss about organisational stuff? 15:06:21 * asamalik doesn't have anything here today 15:06:32 * lorbus neither 15:07:16 all right! 15:07:19 #topic === Focus === 15:07:24 What are we working on that is worth mentioning? 15:08:13 Lot's of discussion going on on the mailing list, which is good :) 15:08:58 I'm improving the 'showme' tool to show other outputs than just the graph, like a package list or a page similar to this: https://asamalik.fedorapeople.org/container-randomness/report-f30.html 15:09:09 and I want to generate it periodically for things we focus on 15:10:19 lorbus: yeah :) 15:10:53 that's really great! 15:11:00 I also want to look into what and why requires systemd and how to get rid of it — which will be useful for containers 15:12:14 uh yeah be nice if we can untangle that 15:13:59 there is https://github.com/containerbuildsystem/atomic-reactor/pull/1246 15:15:28 lorbus: what exactly am I looking at here? 15:15:50 I'm not sure it's all implemented yet, but this'll be a nice step towards building containers with Buildah 15:16:03 * asamalik is not very familiar with atomic-reactor 15:16:36 sorry, may have been a bit far fetched. Atomic-reactor is our container build system that is plugged into koji 15:17:15 oh! now I get it 15:17:43 if we can rip out systemd, that'll give us an advantage then for building purpose-built containers 15:17:53 but not in other cases 15:18:33 yeah, that would be just for containers 15:18:51 reducing the package set of the regular Fedora compose would be needed for that 15:19:26 I love the chart for this :) 15:20:05 anything specific that you think should be on that chart? :) 15:20:05 this one I mean: https://asamalik.fedorapeople.org/container-randomness/report-f30.html 15:21:05 I wonder if we could scrape the info of not just containers, but all fedora releases 15:21:12 oh, also, I might need to build it using fresher data than the containers from the registry 15:21:42 so my thinking for input there would be that you give it a set of packages, and monitor that 15:21:51 package set being the info. Would be interesting comparing Server, Desktop, Silverblue, FCOS and IoT here too 15:22:08 so I could use the package set that's uset to build the container base, workstation, server, iot, and what not 15:22:18 right. 15:22:28 + some apps like httpd, nginx, dnf, etc... either in an empty root or on top of some of the bases 15:22:40 yeah 15:23:08 want to make it flexible so we can basically have a look at whatever we want to focus on 15:23:32 ideally using ignatenkobrain's script that might be able to give me data without actually installing the packages anywhere 15:23:50 ... hope I got it right, I still haven't got to play with it properly :) 15:24:01 yes, it does not install any packages 15:24:11 cool! 15:24:17 it might not calculate size correctly if you use --nodocs and such, but it is pretty accurate 15:24:26 let me know if some functionality needs to be added 15:24:46 because my script can only look at an installation that's physically somewhere... well, it at least need the rpm/dnf database 15:24:58 ignatenkobrain: sure, thanks! 15:25:08 the total size I calculate by adding individual package sizes 15:25:41 I should get all of that done before the next meeting 15:26:29 ok, since we want to call it early today... 15:26:31 #topic === What's next? === 15:26:31 Plans for the next week? month? release? 15:26:41 asamalik++ =) 15:26:48 I plan to get the reports done and ready next week! 15:26:58 and ideally rebuilding every day or so 15:27:22 cookies!! \o/ 15:28:05 zod is greedy today :P 15:28:44 zodbot: give me my cookie back! 15:28:55 sgtm! thank you both! 15:29:02 I gotta run to the next mtg. 15:29:14 * lorbus waves 15:29:21 thanks for coming, lorbus! 15:29:22 * asamalik waves 15:29:24 #topic === Open Floor === 15:29:30 Anything else? 15:29:47 * asamalik counts one minute 15:30:45 all right! 15:30:47 #endmeeting