16:00:46 #startmeeting fpc 16:00:46 Meeting started Thu Sep 19 16:00:46 2019 UTC. 16:00:46 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:00:46 The chair is geppetto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:46 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:46 The meeting name has been set to 'fpc' 16:00:46 #meetingname fpc 16:00:46 #topic Roll Call 16:00:46 The meeting name has been set to 'fpc' 16:00:54 Hello. 16:00:59 It's a bit exciting in Houston at the moment. 16:01:00 #chair tibbs 16:01:00 Current chairs: geppetto tibbs 16:01:20 yeh, here too 16:01:26 Hey guys. I'm in bed with a pretty high fever, so I won't be of use today I think 16:01:28 although probably not for everyone 16:01:33 #chair decathorpe 16:01:33 Current chairs: decathorpe geppetto tibbs 16:01:55 tibbs: what's going on? 16:02:12 decathorpe: that's fine, I think the meeting will be short unless someone has something important … new tickets and no PRs 16:02:15 Tropical storm went overhead yesterday and is still dumping rain over the area. 16:02:17 #chair mhroncok 16:02:17 Current chairs: decathorpe geppetto mhroncok tibbs 16:02:33 * limburgher here 16:02:37 #chair limburgher 16:02:37 Current chairs: decathorpe geppetto limburgher mhroncok tibbs 16:02:38 Tropical Depression Imelda continues to cause heavy rain over most of southeast Texas. 16:03:14 decathorpe: get well soon 16:03:23 We're used to storms here but there is always minor flooding. And it's completely dark outside at 11AM. 16:03:53 There was one new ticket about builds optimized for specialized instruction sets like AVX. 16:04:23 not marked as meeting 16:04:29 Yeah, it's new. 16:04:31 But we can certainly talk about it, if you want 16:05:01 I just think FESCo needs to set some policy relating to that kind of thing before we get too deep into it. 16:05:45 I only wanted to bring up the outdated tmpfiles.d guidelines 16:05:50 #topic Schedule 16:06:25 There was no schedule this week, too busy, but it was the same tickets as last week and nothing has been modified for a while 16:06:33 #topic #926 Haswell-specific libraries 16:06:38 .fpc 926 16:06:39 geppetto: Issue #926: Haswell-specific libraries - packaging-committee - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/926 16:07:52 As said in the ticket, from the packaging part, the suggestion is OK. whether or not we want this might be a fesco decision, but I see no hram in it 16:09:06 this looks straightforward from the packaging perspective, yes. the performance improvements would be nice too 16:09:15 I'm fine with it as long as a glibc person confirms the dynamic loader bits are correct 16:09:40 this is coming from clear linux, right? 16:10:12 at least the linked blogpost 16:11:15 Last time I chatted with anyone who knew the glibc internals relating to this, it wasn't looked upon favorably. 16:11:45 But if we're going to go down this road, someone should actually ask. And then test. 16:12:13 It's a bit premature to talk about guidelines alterations until someone's confirmed that this actually works and is something that the glibc maintainers say we should be using in Fedora. 16:12:18 tibbs: as in the glibc didn't like using directories to load different optimised libraries? 16:13:26 I'm going from memory, but basically it was at the level of "there's a bit of support for this in the source, but it probably isn't tested and might not actually work". 16:13:54 #info Need input from glibc developers to confirm facts. Maybe have FESCo set some kind of CPU optimization policy … guideline changes themself seem fine. 16:14:00 Still, asking is the best way, and starting the discussion with FPC is a bit premature until it's been investigated. 16:14:11 fair enough 16:14:46 #topic #927 Guidelines for Tmpfiles.d outdated 16:14:50 .fpc 927 16:14:51 geppetto: Issue #927: Guidelines for Tmpfiles.d outdated - packaging-committee - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/927 16:15:34 So I think the issue here is that #ghost let's the file not exist, and the verify(not …) thing says the file should exist, just don't know what the contents are 16:15:59 But I wouldn't be shocked if everyone just used #ghost anyway 16:16:28 if this indeed is required, why don't we create a %tmpfile macro ;) 16:16:39 yeh, +1 to that 16:17:16 note that I haven't yet examined this in any way, so I'm not sure on the "if this indeed is required" part 16:17:20 decathorpe: You want to volunteer for that, after you are well again? 16:17:44 I can do that 16:18:30 #action decathorpe will look at creating tmpfie macro. Possibly not using #ghost because files should always be there. 16:18:35 #topic Open Floor 16:18:47 I think the issue is that tmpfiles are on volatile storage and might not necessarily exist 16:22:21 Ok, anything else from anyone? 16:23:14 nope 16:23:38 No. 16:24:30 Ok, I'm going to end the meeting then. Everyone enjoy your extra 35 minutes 16:24:36 #endmeeting