15:00:02 <bcotton> #startmeeting Council (2020-02-19)
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15:00:03 <bcotton> #meetingname council
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15:00:14 <bcotton> #chair jonatoni riecatnor contyk dgilmore mattdm sumantrom tyll bcotton pbrobinson asamalik
15:00:14 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik bcotton contyk dgilmore jonatoni mattdm pbrobinson riecatnor sumantrom tyll
15:00:16 <bcotton> #topic Introductions, Welcomes
15:00:22 <contyk> .hello psabata
15:00:23 <zodbot> contyk: psabata 'Petr Šabata' <psabata@redhat.com>
15:00:36 <riecatnor> .hello riecatnor
15:00:41 <zodbot> riecatnor: riecatnor 'None' <mnordin@redhat.com>
15:01:17 <tyll> .hello till
15:01:18 <zodbot> tyll: till 'Till Maas' <opensource@till.name>
15:04:29 <bcotton> not much of a party today
15:04:37 <bcotton> i guess i'll have to eat all of the donuts myself
15:04:45 <bcotton> #topic Today's agenda
15:04:55 <bcotton> there's not a lot on the list that we can do much about
15:05:06 <bcotton> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issues
15:05:17 <bcotton> anyone have anything in particular we should go over?
15:06:33 <riecatnor> Nothing from me really to discuss, just hard at work on stuff we've already agreed on :P
15:06:41 <bcotton> that makes one of us! ;-)
15:07:14 <bcotton> okay, i have a couple of things i can run through real quick, so the minutes have something in them
15:07:25 <bcotton> #topic 251 - Fedora Project & Nitrokey
15:07:27 <bcotton> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/251
15:07:53 <bcotton> tyll: you were going to follow up on this. is this something we're still working on or should we drop it?
15:08:28 <bcotton> i know you've been a bit ...distracted... for a while :-)
15:09:08 <bcotton> we also agreed that we'd wait for the new logo to get hardware, but it seems like there's some work that could be done in advance of that
15:09:24 <riecatnor> update on the logo is Mizmo has it pretty darn close to done. Going to present that to the legal team and a reminder to pick it back up with the start of the new FY
15:09:30 <tyll> bcotton: yes, I am still following up on this. Actually puiterwijk is not in the infra team anymore and since CPE still seems to be reorganizing their priorities, I did not reach out to them again
15:09:53 <bcotton> understood
15:10:10 <tyll> bcotton: there are enough different Nitrokey options that there should be one device that will support whatever Fedora is going to use, I think
15:10:31 <bcotton> once you have an idea of the scope of work needed, we should put together an epic brief to get that on their radar
15:11:28 <bcotton> #link https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/fedora-council-infrastructure-priorities/us/6?kanban-status=439
15:11:41 <bcotton> now there's a card on our epic brief kanban board :-)
15:11:44 <tyll> bcotton: I think it is more a question about what kind of authentication will be supported in the future not necessarily an requirement from our side
15:12:08 <tyll> if it is still SSH, it would be a different device than if it would be only FIDO U2F
15:13:02 <bcotton> tyll: okay. we'll still want to figure out our requirements for them though (i'm thinking mostly from a policy perspective). maybe it should wait until after the AAA project is done?
15:13:05 <tyll> I will reach out to CPE to see if I can get an answer and a new point of contact
15:13:07 <bcotton> or relatively done
15:13:16 <bcotton> tyll++
15:13:59 <tyll> bcotton: what do you mean with policy? I guess the policy of who gets something would be our decision
15:14:20 <bcotton> tyll: ACTION: @till to develop a proposal that includes: 1. who will get the key and 2. how we will enforce it (including what infra work, if any, would be required)
15:14:35 <bcotton> we should tell CPE how we want it enforced
15:15:01 <bcotton> e.g. do we want to require that it be used for everyone who has it? is it optional for people who have it? are there certain systems where it shoudl be required and the rest optional, etc
15:15:16 <tyll> ah, I see
15:15:18 <bcotton> the who gets it is entirely our decision
15:15:50 <bcotton> but the enforcement, i think, we'd want to have a say in and let CPE implement our requirements as they see fit
15:16:40 <bcotton> anything else on this topic?
15:18:39 <tyll> not from me
15:18:44 <bcotton> #topic 249 - Logo adoption timeline
15:18:47 <bcotton> #lnik https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/249
15:19:04 <bcotton> riecatnor: since you brought it up, i'll put it in the record
15:19:24 <bcotton> #info Mizmo has a new new logo pretty darn close to done. Going to present that to the legal team and a reminder to pick it back up with the start of the new FY
15:19:34 <bcotton> riecatnor: is there a design ticket for this?
15:22:23 <riecatnor> erm, it was closed bc reasons
15:23:09 <riecatnor> https://pagure.io/design/issue/620
15:23:32 <bcotton> #link https://pagure.io/design/issue/620
15:24:24 <bcotton> i'd suggest a new ticket open with the work being done in there
15:26:16 <bcotton> are there any fedora-official places where this is being discussed? i've only seen it on twitter
15:26:47 <riecatnor> I can see if Mizmo thinks that is wise. I believe the logo is just getting small changes and iterations at this point
15:27:21 <riecatnor> in fact I am sending the most current one to legal saying here is an update and where do things stand?
15:27:37 <mizmo> theres no need for a new ticket it's just refinements now
15:27:43 <mizmo> the ticket is closed because the council approved it
15:27:54 <bcotton> welcome, mizmo!
15:28:43 <mizmo> o/
15:29:00 <bcotton> i'd disagree that the council approved it if you're making changes, but maybe it depends on the scope of the refinements
15:29:45 <mizmo> bcotton: font kerning and minor tweaks to letter paths is really not worth going thru another approval
15:31:14 <mizmo> i have some suggestions that would change it pretty markedly but in experimenting with them i dont think they will work out
15:31:52 <bcotton> mizmo: i'm inclined to agree in that case, but it's hard to know since it's not been community-visible (at least that i'm aware of, i do miss a lot of things)
15:32:18 <mizmo> @bcotton i've been on maternity leave for 4 months and only back now 2-3 weeks, nothing has been done in secret
15:32:41 <bcotton> mizmo: i didn't mean to imply that
15:32:50 <mizmo> not saying you did just want to be direct
15:33:04 <mizmo> the ticket got pretty toxic :-(
15:33:05 <bcotton> i'd expect nothing less from you, my friend :-)
15:33:18 <mizmo> this appears to be logged so i dont want any confusion
15:34:36 <riecatnor> I sent off an email on the logo, and requesting at least a time frame so we know what to do with swag/event stuff
15:34:59 <bcotton> okay so to recap: riecatnor is checking with legal to make sure it's in their budget for CY2020 and to check on next steps. mizmo is making a few final tweaks. so at this point we're waiting on input from legal in order to proceed
15:35:02 <bcotton> is that a good summary?
15:35:22 <riecatnor> yep
15:35:27 <mizmo> yeh. do you want me to do a new ticket for the final final version or should i put it on the existing council ticket?
15:35:39 <mizmo> and if the former what queue should the ticket be in do you think
15:35:59 <mizmo> i dont want to blog post it or anything like that bc most assuredly it'd get comments like 'cant you change this one thing' and it's not really open anymore
15:36:14 <mizmo> (by open i mean, open for business and major restructuring)
15:36:15 <riecatnor> I think adding it to the council ticket is good
15:36:33 <mizmo> kk
15:36:35 <bcotton> mizmo: i'd say the final final version can be a reopen of the approved council ticket and we can wait a few days to see if any council members demand a new vote
15:37:06 <bcotton> #info riecatnor is checking with legal to make sure it's in their budget for CY2020 and to check on next steps. mizmo is making a few final tweaks. so at this point we're waiting on input from legal in order to proceed
15:37:11 <mizmo> @bcotton that seems fair
15:37:19 <mizmo> thanks dude :)
15:37:38 <bcotton> #action mizmo will reopen the approved Council ticket when the final final version is ready
15:38:09 <bcotton> mizmo: thanks for all your work (and suffering slings & arrows)
15:38:17 <bcotton> anything else logo-related before we move on?
15:39:19 <bcotton> #topic 284, 288 - Publish readouts from {November, January} Face-to-Face
15:39:20 <riecatnor> thats it from me
15:39:39 <bcotton> #info Two of four November readouts are published on the Community Blog
15:39:50 <bcotton> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/lets-write-a-new-vision-statement-for-fedora/
15:39:57 <bcotton> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-council-november-2019-meeting-councily-business/
15:40:06 <bcotton> #info The remaining two are scheduled for later this month
15:40:43 <bcotton> #info mattdm is drafting a January readout. We'll probably publish a vision statement follow-up before the rest of the January readout
15:41:15 <bcotton> my goal is to have all of the face-to-face readouts published before our next on (which is in August, so that's an achievable goal)
15:41:33 <bcotton> this was mostly for zodbot's benefit, but any questions or comments here?
15:42:38 <riecatnor> sounds good to me
15:42:53 <bcotton> #topic 276 - Status of CI objective
15:43:02 <contyk> It's done.
15:43:07 <bcotton> #action bcotton to remind dperpeet to write the closeout post for CI Objective
15:43:30 <bcotton> #topic Next meeting
15:43:38 <bcotton> #info The next Fedora Council meeting is 4 March
15:43:49 <bcotton> #topic Do we have anything to announce?
15:43:51 <bcotton> #info This is a regular check to make sure we're communicating to the contributor (via CommBlog) and user (via Magazine) communities
15:45:11 <riecatnor> I am working on a blog post for commblog. Part event report/part outline for rise campaign. I would like to have that done by next week
15:45:22 <bcotton> riecatnor++
15:46:11 <bcotton> #topic Open floor
15:46:19 <bcotton> anything else in the last few minutes?
15:46:53 <asamalik> sorry for missing today I was in a call :(
15:47:00 <contyk> I'm just coming up with a devel@ email announcing the Modularity team changes as the DNF team keeps urging me to do so.
15:47:24 <contyk> So that will go out shortly.
15:47:31 <contyk> Not sure what the status of the new objective is.
15:47:44 <bcotton> contyk: great. if you want another set of eyes, let me know
15:47:54 * contyk nods
15:48:04 <asamalik> contyk: happy to have a look at that, too, if you want!
15:48:05 <bcotton> the status of the new objective is "dmach or his designate should submit a new proposal to the council"
15:51:12 <bcotton> last call!
15:52:39 <bcotton> okay, thanks everyone! have a good wednesday
15:52:44 <bcotton> #endmeeting