17:10:17 <geppetto> #startmeeting fpc 17:10:17 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Feb 20 17:10:17 2020 UTC. 17:10:17 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 17:10:17 <zodbot> The chair is geppetto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:10:17 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:10:17 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fpc' 17:10:18 <geppetto> #meetingname fpc 17:10:18 <geppetto> #topic Roll Call 17:10:18 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fpc' 17:10:33 <decathorpe> geppetto: I thought so :D 17:10:39 <omajid> please sirs, may i have an exception for https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/946 ? 17:10:39 <decathorpe> hello! 17:10:39 * limburgher here 17:10:44 <geppetto> #chair decathorpe 17:10:44 <zodbot> Current chairs: decathorpe geppetto 17:10:45 <tibbs> Hello. 17:10:46 <geppetto> #chair limburgher 17:10:46 <zodbot> Current chairs: decathorpe geppetto limburgher 17:11:22 <decathorpe> #chair tibbs 17:11:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: decathorpe geppetto limburgher tibbs 17:11:23 <geppetto> #chair tibbs 17:11:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: decathorpe geppetto limburgher tibbs 17:11:29 <decathorpe> whoops sorry :) 17:11:35 <geppetto> Hey, enjoy your birthday? 17:11:39 <geppetto> decathorpe: no problem 17:13:15 <tibbs> Yeah, it was relaxing. But I came back to two weeks of messes and a pile of dental work. 17:15:35 <geppetto> yeh, that's what happens :) … I remember speaking to a friend a year or two ago and he said that he liked vacations but felt like he was working twice as hard the week before and the week after, so he wasn't sure it was doing much :) 17:17:34 <geppetto> #topic #946 Bootstrap Exception for .NET Core 3.1 (dotnet3.1) 17:17:39 <geppetto> .fpc 946 17:17:40 <zodbot> geppetto: Issue #946: Bootstrap Exception for .NET Core 3.1 (dotnet3.1) - packaging-committee - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/946 17:17:52 <geppetto> Ok, wre don't have 5 … but a few people not here have voted already 17:18:05 <tibbs> +1 from me. (Will add that to the ticket.) 17:19:51 <decathorpe> I think that makes +5/0/-0 now? 17:20:04 <tibbs> Yes, I believe so. 17:20:17 <geppetto> yeh 17:20:33 <geppetto> Figure I'd give limburgher a couple of minutes to vote too 17:20:45 <limburgher> Sorry, briefly afk. 17:20:50 <limburgher> +1 17:21:05 <ignatenkobrain> +1 17:21:11 <geppetto> #chair ignatenkobrain 17:21:11 <zodbot> Current chairs: decathorpe geppetto ignatenkobrain limburgher tibbs 17:21:20 <geppetto> ignatenkobrain: You already voted in the ticket :) 17:21:47 <ignatenkobrain> now I have doublevoted :D 17:21:51 <geppetto> #action Bootstrap Exception for .NET Core 3.1 (dotnet3.1) (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0) 17:22:02 <geppetto> ignatenkobrain: fair enough 17:22:04 <geppetto> :) 17:22:35 <geppetto> #topic #pr-940 Revisit the Python guidelines 17:22:42 <geppetto> https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/pull-request/940 17:23:14 <geppetto> We have couple of votes here too 17:23:38 <ignatenkobrain> +1 17:25:29 <tibbs> +1 17:25:31 <geppetto> tibbs: That leaves you 17:25:37 <geppetto> #action Revisit the Python guidelines (+1:4, 0:0, -1:0) 17:25:44 <geppetto> #undo 17:25:44 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by geppetto at 17:25:37 : Revisit the Python guidelines (+1:4, 0:0, -1:0) 17:25:50 <geppetto> #action Revisit the Python guidelines (+1:5, 0:0, -1:0) 17:25:55 <tibbs> Frankly at least some of it didn't really need to go through the committee process. 17:25:59 <geppetto> Gah, I'm too out of it today 17:26:12 <geppetto> #topic Open Floor 17:26:28 <nim-nim> Hi 17:26:33 <nim-nim> .hello2 17:26:34 <zodbot> nim-nim: Sorry, but you don't exist 17:26:38 <geppetto> Ok, we have 5 … but nothing changed on anything else … anyone want to talk about anything? 17:26:49 <nim-nim> some open floor questions from me 17:26:53 <geppetto> nim-nim: hey, even though you don't exist :) 17:27:14 <geppetto> nim-nim: Sure 17:27:16 <nim-nim> people are asking a backport of forge macros to EL8 17:27:33 <nim-nim> can FPC finally publish the related doc ? 17:27:49 <nim-nim> it’s been on the todo liste for more than a year 17:28:13 <decathorpe> It's only a question of merging the PR, right? 17:28:38 <nim-nim> merging it or amending it then margin it as FPC feels 17:28:40 <ignatenkobrain> yes, docs are built automatically 17:28:41 <ignatenkobrain> somehow, somewhere 17:29:02 <nim-nim> the templates in the year old PR apply today as is 17:29:31 <decathorpe> yeah, the PR should apply cleanly, looking at the diff. 17:29:46 <tibbs> This goes back to the same old issue of whether the packaging guidelines are a good place to put documentation. 17:30:50 <decathorpe> in this case, I'm fine with it - because you seem to need a certain amount of domain knowledge to package fonts correctly ... 17:31:26 <nim-nim> at least some part of the guidelines should trace FPC approved the macros (because it did and we have lots of packages in the distro using them) 17:31:54 <tibbs> I don't have a particular problem with it, except that document needs to be able to evolve and having a committee process in front of it makes that more difficult. 17:32:29 <nim-nim> I was writing about the **forge** not fonts macros (last year’s changed) 17:33:03 <decathorpe> ah, sorry, I misunderstood. 17:33:05 <geppetto> nim-nim: Can you point to the ticket or PR? 17:33:16 <decathorpe> .fpc 719 17:33:18 <zodbot> decathorpe: Issue #719: Simplify packaging of forge-hosted projects - packaging-committee - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/719 17:33:27 <tibbs> And certainly the forge macros need to be visibly documented somewhere (besides what's in the macro files themselves, which I suppose would be the ultimate reference). 17:33:34 <decathorpe> nim-nim: is this the correct one? 17:33:50 <nim-nim> https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/719 17:34:16 <nim-nim> yes that’s the one, it’s been waiting for a long time 17:34:43 <geppetto> yeh, things aren't usually in writeup that long 17:34:48 <geppetto> not sure what happened 17:34:49 <decathorpe> I think we forgot about this one 🙈 17:35:06 <tibbs> Generally I would think that every feature supported by RPM and redhat-rpm-config and its dependencies would be fair game for packagers unless the guidelines include restrictions on their use. 17:35:52 <tibbs> But good curated packaging documentation needs a place. Somewhere in the guidelines would, I suppose, be fine as long as we are willing to explicitly have less formality around merging things there. 17:35:58 <nim-nim> redhat-rpm-macros maintainers rejected the PR documenting them within the package so right now it’s documented nowhere 17:36:19 <nim-nim> except in the rejected redhat-rpm PR and the stuck guidelines PR 17:37:13 <decathorpe> I mean, there's already general RpmMacros documentation in the packaging guidelines, so ... 17:37:36 <decathorpe> the macros should be documented somewhere, so it might as well be here 17:38:55 <nim-nim> so please merge it (or convince redhat-rpm-config people to accept the doc their side) 17:39:43 <geppetto> decathorpe: it's currently assigned to you … you want to merge it? 17:40:09 <decathorpe> it is? oh my. 17:40:41 <decathorpe> if I remember correctly, I wanted to add some additional documentation, but not change anything. 17:41:10 <decathorpe> so ... yeah I should have merged this ages ago 17:41:58 <decathorpe> uh, wait a minute 17:42:01 <decathorpe> .fpc 826 17:42:07 <zodbot> decathorpe: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 17:42:11 <tibbs> ... 17:42:13 <decathorpe> lol 17:42:14 <decathorpe> https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/pull-request/826 17:42:28 <decathorpe> the PR itself is assigned to igor :) 17:42:34 <tibbs> Maybe it only does tickets, not PRs. 17:42:46 <geppetto> It does 17:43:04 <geppetto> decathorpe: Not sure nim-nim cares either way … :) 17:43:16 <geppetto> ignatenkobrain: Did you want to do anything with the PR before merging? 17:43:45 <ignatenkobrain> No 17:43:51 <decathorpe> there's a comment about wrong info. redhat-rpm-templates package does not exist 17:44:07 <nim-nim> I don’t care either way, I sad for Fedora packagers that do no know they can use this because it is documented nowhere official 17:45:05 <nim-nim> decathorpe: it would have existed if the redhat-rpm-config PR had been merged. 17:45:22 <nim-nim> just merge the templated somewhere :( 17:45:42 <nim-nim> so people have a clean example on how to use the macros 17:46:50 <nim-nim> I’m not going to fiht to the death for redhat-rpm-templates if redhat-rpm-config maints do not want to create a template subpackage 17:47:05 <geppetto> Any volunteers to click merge on 826, or should I do it? 17:47:13 <limburgher> Take it away. :) 17:47:29 <decathorpe> just do it ... we can fix the broken redhat-rpm-templates dependency later :D 17:48:08 <nim-nim> thanks! 17:48:11 <geppetto> Ok, done 17:48:32 <nim-nim> My second open floor question was on the fonts side 17:49:07 <nim-nim> can anyone FPC side review the macro package or indicate in the bugzilla ticket FPC is ok with someone else reviewing it? 17:49:30 <tibbs> Which macro package are you referring to? 17:49:32 <nim-nim> I fear the guidelines connexion makes it radioactive for non-FPC reviewers 17:49:55 <decathorpe> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1803281 17:50:09 <tibbs> I would but I don't know when I will have time. 17:50:12 <tibbs> I will bookmark it. 17:50:30 <limburgher> I'll do it. 17:51:02 <nim-nim> limburgher: thanks 17:51:05 <tibbs> nim-nim: Only tangentially on topic, have you seen https://github.com/rpm-software-management/rpm/pull/1063 ? 17:51:21 <tibbs> "Make parametric macro arguments available as native Lua table" 17:51:40 <nim-nim> tibbs: I hadn’t, thanks for the pointer 17:52:25 <nim-nim> tibbs: I actually though about filling thie exact request this week, except I was busy in the fontconfig issue tracker 17:52:39 <tibbs> I wish it went further but it's still an improvement. 17:52:58 <nim-nim> that would definitely cut down some of the boilerplate in forge, go and fonts macros 17:53:06 <geppetto> #action limburgher Will review macros in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1803281 17:53:32 <nim-nim> (implementation side, for users it won’t change anything) 17:54:01 <tibbs> Aargh, clamav. On update it dumps this in %post to stderr: "Now we provide clamav-freshclam.service systemd unit instead old scripts and the cron.d entry." 17:54:22 <tibbs> And tells you that it's broken your installation in a place almost nobody will ever see it. 17:54:59 <decathorpe> tibbs: wonderful! :D 17:55:05 <geppetto> bonus 17:55:05 <tibbs> Why do maintainers insist on doing things like that? In F30, no less. 17:57:40 <geppetto> on that note … unless there is anything super important I'll end the meeting 17:58:12 <decathorpe> +1 17:58:15 <tibbs> Thanks. Glad to have gotten something done. Hopefully the trend will continue. (Though I will be out of town again in two weeks.) 17:58:54 * geppetto nods 17:58:57 <geppetto> #endmeeting