16:02:14 #startmeeting Stewardship SIG Meeting (2020-03-17) 16:02:14 Meeting started Tue Mar 17 16:02:14 2020 UTC. 16:02:14 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:02:14 The chair is decathorpe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:02:14 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:02:14 The meeting name has been set to 'stewardship_sig_meeting_(2020-03-17)' 16:02:19 #meetingname stewardship-sig 16:02:19 The meeting name has been set to 'stewardship-sig' 16:02:25 #topic Knock Knock 16:02:29 hi 😷 16:02:33 #chair mhroncok 16:02:33 Current chairs: decathorpe mhroncok 16:02:43 hello! :) 16:02:54 sillebille, cipherboy: meeting time! 16:03:08 hello \o 16:03:24 the meeting time changed? 16:03:26 #chair sillebille 16:03:26 Current chairs: decathorpe mhroncok sillebille 16:03:42 sillebille: no, the US has switched to DST before the EU did 16:04:02 decathorpe, ah ok. I hate time shifts :\ 16:04:40 yeah 16:05:05 next meeting will be at the "usual" time 16:05:14 since the EU switches to DST on March 29 16:06:05 #link https://pagure.io/stewardship-sig/issue/80 Agenda 16:06:17 any particular order in which you want to discuss things? 16:06:51 Doom and Despair sounds interesting 16:07:17 #topic java-1.8.0-openjdk crashes on fedora 32+ 16:07:29 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1813550 16:08:01 * cipherboy is here 16:08:11 RaphGro and me spent a few hours trying to debug this, but we got nowhere - except that I think that GCC10 is to blame for crashes during GC / memory allocation in the JVM 16:08:15 #chair cipherboy 16:08:15 Current chairs: cipherboy decathorpe mhroncok sillebille 16:08:25 decathorpe: Do I need to poke the java team about it? 16:08:51 I think they should be aware by now. 16:09:05 there were some responses in the BZ and on the devel list 16:09:12 propose as a prioritized bug? 16:09:23 that's not a bad idea, yeah 16:09:25 see if it breaks freeipa and report as finalblocker? 16:09:57 mhroncok: It does break FreeIPA's weekly rawhide tests at least 16:10:33 the f32 update is still in updates-testing and has some negative karma from me, so this should at least not impact fedora 32 (yet) 16:10:41 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria#FreeIPA_server_requirements 16:10:53 mhroncok: https://pagure.io/dogtagpki/issue/3130 16:11:07 mhroncok: I don't know if we've been able to reproduce this with just a pkispawn. 16:11:11 **ipa-server-isntall 16:11:43 So far I don't think openqa has hit this, but we should make sure adamw is aware to look for it. 16:11:54 hit wat 16:12:03 adamw: hey \o/ 16:12:12 hum 16:12:14 adamw: If you hit Java core dumping in any of the freeipa OpenQA tests, it is this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1813550 16:12:18 roger, thanks 16:12:27 F32+ due to GCC 10.0 / OpenJDK8 not playing nicely together. 16:12:47 we are able to see the issue in PKI's CI rawhide job. https://travis-ci.org/github/dogtagpki/pki/jobs/663345195 16:13:33 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1813550#c13 16:13:47 ^ proposed as prioritized bug. 16:14:13 decathorpe: good. will see if this will ever hit fedora 32 and we shall propose it as a blocker if it indeed breaks freeipa 16:14:27 mhroncok: +1 16:15:11 anything else to say about this bug? 16:15:31 ggggrrrhgg 16:15:36 that's it 16:15:40 argh 16:15:44 :-) That's it here too 16:16:16 there's light at the end of the tunnel! 16:16:27 #topic OpenJDK 11 by default? 16:16:42 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Java11 Change Proposal 16:16:48 decathorpe: the change proposal seems very WIP 16:16:54 this is still "Incomplete" yeah 16:17:01 but it would be great if it could be done for fedora 33 16:17:02 ChangeReadyForWrangler 16:17:15 Oh it's set to Ready now. nice 16:17:47 this would solve some problems, at least ... 16:17:58 "nut not javac" 16:18:00 FTBFS bugs connected with this proposal, maybe with jira ticket to allow discussion. 16:18:02 what the 16:18:11 Dogtag doesn't yet fully support JDK11+ 16:18:34 I think with JSS changes we have in the pipeline, we will be able to. JSSE wasn't working well on JDK11+ due to TLS1.3 introduction for some reason. 16:18:55 yeah the change proposal has some interesting language ... e.g. "built in brew" 16:19:09 Once the change is implemented properly, the update should be flawless and seamless :D 16:19:36 ~cough~ bull ~cough~ 16:19:42 :-) 16:19:44 :D 16:20:08 I'm guessing we'll be one of the slower teams but hopefully we'll get time to do this. 16:20:12 I'll definitively submit some initial feedback for this once it is proposed on devel 16:20:19 I think openjdk 11 is already the default for some module streams, so the issues with tooling should have been resolved by now at least 16:20:20 such as: who handles the rebuilds 16:20:39 mhroncok: yeah that's an interesting question. Java SIG? lol 16:21:10 should be the change owner but the change proposal suggests it is "other developers" 16:21:24 which makes me thing: java 11 will be dumped on us and we will need to figure out the build order etc. 16:21:35 *think 16:22:02 I think in this case, backwards compatibility on bytecode level is actually great. build order shouldn't matter much 16:22:31 Yeah if that works, it would be wonderful. 16:22:52 "if that works" yeah 16:23:01 decathorpe: an we test this in copr to see what blows up? 16:23:36 mhroncok: I think so. some changes are needed to javapackages-tools, where the default java version is hard-coded, and xmvn should probably also be rebuilt. 16:23:51 I can try to set that up later today 16:24:26 that part is also not coverd by the change proposal :/ 16:25:18 * decathorpe frowns 16:26:03 let's wait for the change to be announced 16:26:15 than we can send feedback on the mailing list ether individually or as a sig 16:26:20 yeah 16:26:23 individually will be easier to corodinate 16:29:01 any other comments here? 16:29:07 None from me. 16:29:22 none here 16:29:27 goot go 16:29:46 #topic Review Open RHBZs 16:29:51 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__open__&email1=stewardship-sig%40lists.fedoraproject.org&emailassigned_to1=1&emailcc1=1&emailtype1=substring&list_id=10281127&product=Fedora&query_format=advanced 16:30:09 we almost managed to get things down to one page ;) 16:30:27 does anybody see anything interesting? 16:30:42 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1810950 16:30:45 :P 16:31:02 mhroncok started to triaged it I think, but not sure yet if its modular or non-modular maven. 16:31:20 Not really sure why it matters tho. 16:31:49 yeah ... and honestly, I don't want to start patching maven for that 16:32:45 I added a comment to the bug, filed NEEDINFO on reporter. If no response in two weeks I'm inclined to say WONTFIX. 16:33:12 good! 16:33:18 moving on. 16:33:24 We can probably use arguments similar to system-python. 16:33:32 #topic Review Open Pull Requests 16:33:32 I guess that's currently a RHEL8-ism but... meh 16:33:35 #link https://fedora-stewardship.github.io/pr-report/ 16:33:48 Ugh, sorry. I've been busy and haven't had time to open these. 16:33:54 *open new ones and review these 16:33:57 I can english, I think. 16:35:07 the three I opened (maven-doxia-sitetools, maven-parent, maven-source-plugin) should be good - simple small version bumps, with all rebuilds successful 16:35:15 i can review these later sometime today. Most of them are straightforward 16:35:25 it's not like anybody's waiting for those updates ;D 16:35:31 sillebille: that would be great, thanks. 16:35:34 junit kind of seemed like decathorpe already left some reviews 16:35:44 I did :) 16:36:32 any other comments for PRs? 16:36:37 i will try to rebase javaassist later this week or by next 16:36:46 great! 16:38:01 #topic Review SIG Leaf Packages 16:38:03 #link https://pagure.io/stewardship-sig/issue/79 16:38:23 #link https://fedora-stewardship.github.io/report/#total-leaves 16:38:57 any objections to orphaning ant-antunit, jetty-toolchain, and simple-xml? 16:39:01 simplexml I was fine orphaning unless it was needed for e* or loffice 16:39:15 I thought it was required by e* for some reason, but... maybe not. 16:39:29 * decathorpe shrugs 16:39:47 if it is needed, they can pick it up after mhroncok's report screams at them ;-) 16:39:49 Fine dropping it then :) 16:41:20 #action decathorpe will orphan SIG leaves after the meeting 16:41:27 #topic Open Floor 16:44:10 Nothing from me. I've been too busy to review resteasy upgrades for now. 16:44:44 it's fine :) 16:45:05 I don't have anything too 16:45:15 i have been busy travelling for past 2 weeks 16:45:49 alright, 15 more minutes of quarantine time for all. stay safe everybody 16:45:53 #endmeeting