15:01:54 <sgallagh> #startmeeting FESCO (2020-04-13)
15:01:54 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Apr 13 15:01:54 2020 UTC.
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15:01:54 <sgallagh> #meetingname fesco
15:01:54 <sgallagh> #chair nirik, ignatenkobrain, decathorpe, zbyszek, bookwar, sgallagh, contyk, mhroncok, dcantrell
15:01:54 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco'
15:01:54 <zodbot> Current chairs: bookwar contyk dcantrell decathorpe ignatenkobrain mhroncok nirik sgallagh zbyszek
15:01:54 <sgallagh> #topic init process
15:02:01 <dcantrell> .hello2
15:02:02 <zodbot> dcantrell: dcantrell 'David Cantrell' <dcantrell@redhat.com>
15:02:03 <bcotton> .hello2
15:02:05 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com>
15:02:05 <bookwar> .hello2
15:02:06 <nirik> morning.
15:02:08 <zodbot> bookwar: bookwar 'Aleksandra Fedorova' <alpha@bookwar.info>
15:02:12 <nirik> .hello kevin
15:02:14 <zodbot> nirik: kevin 'Kevin Fenzi' <kevin@scrye.com>
15:02:17 <sgallagh> Yup, sorry. The age-old "I've got five minutes, let me just read this email... oh, ten minutes passed"
15:02:24 <sgallagh> .hello2
15:02:25 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh@redhat.com>
15:03:26 <decathorpe> hello!
15:03:36 <sgallagh> OK, with decathorpe we have quorum
15:03:40 <decathorpe> sorry for being late
15:04:05 <sgallagh> No problem. We just started.
15:04:23 <sgallagh> OK, the ELN ticket was accepted just before the meeting, so we can skip that from the agenda.
15:04:40 <sgallagh> Actaully, I'll info it here so we dont' have to announce it next week
15:04:57 <sgallagh> #topic #2365 F33 System-Wide Change: ELN Buildroot and Compose
15:05:03 <sgallagh> .fesco 2365
15:05:04 <zodbot> sgallagh: Issue #2365: F33 System-Wide Change: ELN Buildroot and Compose - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2365
15:05:18 <sgallagh> #info this received +7 in the ticket, so it is accepted
15:05:36 <sgallagh> #agreed ELN Buildroot and Compose is accepted (+7, 1, -0)
15:05:42 <bookwar> I just want to say thank you everyone, i am glad we've managed to get to an agreement
15:06:06 <bookwar> we will see how it goes of course, now when the work starts :)
15:06:10 <sgallagh> And especially thanks to everyone who pushed us to explain what we are doing better
15:06:14 <dcantrell> bookwar, sgallagh: thank you both for working through all of the feedback
15:06:31 <dcantrell> I really appreciate the revisions and refinement
15:06:49 <sgallagh> So do we :)
15:06:52 <sgallagh> OK, let's move on
15:06:54 <sgallagh> #topic #2364 F33 System-Wide Change: Introduce module Obsoletes and EOL
15:06:57 <sgallagh> .fesco 2364
15:06:58 <zodbot> sgallagh: Issue #2364: F33 System-Wide Change: Introduce module Obsoletes and EOL - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2364
15:07:30 * dcantrell reads
15:08:01 <sgallagh> I'm actually going to propose that we punt this to next week, because the Change Owners are in a country on holiday today
15:08:19 <dcantrell> I'm fine with that, I will post my questions in the ticket
15:08:22 <sgallagh> It seems unfair to refuse them a chance to discuss it.
15:08:56 <sgallagh> Also, I know contyk was looking at their proposal from his perspective as former Modularity Lead and he is not here to comment either.
15:09:07 <nirik> +1 to another week.
15:10:35 <sgallagh> Anyone opposed? I encourage you to post questions to the devel list discussion rather than the ticket.
15:10:46 <sgallagh> Let's try to keep the discussion in one place.
15:11:31 <dcantrell> sgallagh: sure, I'll post to the list
15:12:11 <sgallagh> ok, I'm going with "silence equals consent"
15:12:44 <bookwar> +1 to postponing, zbyszek is also involved in discussion, so we better get his vote, and i myself need to dive in more, too
15:12:44 <sgallagh> #agreed Delay this discussion for a week due to holiday in CZ. Questions will be posed to the devel-list.
15:12:57 <sgallagh> #topic Open Floor
15:13:08 <sgallagh> We have two other Changes that are potentially available to be discussed.
15:13:25 <sgallagh> The glibc one came in just before the meeting, which is probably best left to the ticket for now.
15:14:00 <sgallagh> The Java ticket has +2 after six days. Do we want to discuss it or just let things play out in the ticket?
15:14:36 * nirik is fine either way there.
15:14:51 * nirik also has 1 item for open floor after others.
15:15:52 <sgallagh> No one is jumping to talk about Java, so let's proceed to nirik 's topic
15:18:08 <nirik> I just wanted to give a short update/reminder about our lovely datacenter move. ;) It's still moving forward. This week we are shipping out communishift and a small number of other machines. We hope to have access to new datacenter this week and will be starting setting things up. The big thing is end of may when we switch over to the new datacenter and ship everything else out... so in june we will be running with less resources, etc than normal.
15:18:36 <nirik> we are also working on a 'whats affected/not affected' and when document that we will be sharing widely
15:19:12 <sgallagh> nirik++
15:19:16 <bookwar> so communityshift is out for a week?
15:19:44 <bookwar> or what is the expected downtime?
15:19:47 <nirik> it's out for... this week and the time it takes the truck to move the hardware and then likely a bit after that for us to get iit back online
15:19:57 <bookwar> ok
15:20:01 <bookwar> thank you
15:21:01 <bookwar> nirik: for eln infra will you be ale to create tags and targets so that we can start testing it, without creating a huge load?
15:21:09 <nirik> so hopefully it will be up late apri/early may...
15:21:34 <nirik> bookwar: yes, as long as we make sure and make it's builds use a lower priority I think it would be fine
15:21:48 <bookwar> nirik: yes, thank you
15:21:48 <sgallagh> That's the plan, yes
15:21:54 <sgallagh> Indeed, thank you
15:22:11 <nirik> so it might be slower due to less builders/builders being busy, but should be ok otherwise I would think
15:23:23 <decathorpe> nirik: are you going to disable koschei / give it lower priority during that time?
15:23:24 <bcotton> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-33/f-33-infrastructure-tasks.html
15:23:38 <bcotton> ^^ datacenter move timeline is on the schedule
15:24:09 <nirik> decathorpe: it's already using lower pri, but yeah, I think we are just going to disable it for the move... or lower it's capacity
15:24:26 <nirik> I'd have to look, can't recall what we decided on that
15:26:41 <nirik> anyhow, we can also see how impacted normal builds are and adjust it based on that
15:28:14 <decathorpe> sounds good :)
15:32:00 * nirik has nothing else.
15:32:44 <sgallagh> ok, thanks
15:32:52 <sgallagh> Anyone else have anything for Open Floor?
15:33:57 <dcantrell> https://tinyurl.com/wanx75h
15:34:15 <sgallagh> dcantrell: Speak
15:34:26 <dcantrell> I didn't have anything to say, I just wanted to share that GIF
15:34:49 <sgallagh> .fire dcantrell
15:34:49 <zodbot> adamw fires dcantrell
15:34:58 <dcantrell> hehe
15:35:01 <sgallagh> Good news everyone!
15:35:08 <adamw> .hire dcantrell i like that gif
15:35:08 <zodbot> adamw hires dcantrell i like that gif
15:35:08 <sgallagh> #topic Next Week's Chair
15:35:11 <bcotton> dcantrell++
15:35:15 <zodbot> bcotton: Karma for dcantrel changed to 6 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
15:35:16 <sgallagh> adamw++
15:35:20 <sgallagh> dcantrell++
15:35:27 * bcotton doesn't want to live on this IRC server anymore ;-)
15:35:32 <dcantrell> haha
15:35:41 <sgallagh> I think Miro volunteered to chair next week at the last meeting
15:35:46 * sgallagh looks for the notes
15:35:59 <bcotton> if not, he's not here to defend himself, so....
15:36:21 <sgallagh> Confirmed
15:36:24 <sgallagh> #action mhroncok will chair the meeting of 2020-04-20
15:36:27 * bookwar should chair the one after that, managed to avoid it for too long
15:36:42 <sgallagh> #action bookwar will chair the meeting of 2020-04-27
15:37:08 <bookwar> sgallagh: thanks :)
15:37:11 <sgallagh> I think that's it
15:37:20 <sgallagh> #endmeeting