#fedora-meeting-1 log

14:00:05 <bcotton> #startmeeting Council (2020-04-29)
14:00:05 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Apr 29 14:00:05 2020 UTC.
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14:00:06 <bcotton> #meetingname council
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14:00:07 <bcotton> #chair jonatoni riecatnor contyk dgilmore mattdm sumantrom tyll bcotton pbrobinson asamalik
14:00:07 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik bcotton contyk dgilmore jonatoni mattdm pbrobinson riecatnor sumantrom tyll
14:00:09 <bcotton> #topic Introductions, Welcomes
14:00:17 <dgilmore> helo
14:00:23 <dgilmore> Hello
14:00:38 <asamalik> .hello2
14:00:39 <zodbot> asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' <asamalik@redhat.com>
14:00:44 <bcotton> hi dgilmore, asamalik
14:00:51 <contyk> .hello psabata
14:00:52 <zodbot> contyk: psabata 'Petr Šabata' <psabata@redhat.com>
14:00:52 <riecatnor> hullo bcotton!
14:00:58 <bcotton> hi riecatnor
14:01:02 <asamalik> hey everyone!
14:01:10 * jwf waves
14:01:14 <riecatnor> Hi jwf!
14:01:15 <bcotton> welcome jwf
14:01:20 <mattdm> hey everyone!
14:01:41 <nb> hi
14:01:56 <bcotton> welcome nb, mattdm
14:01:59 <bcotton> we have quite a party today
14:02:00 <tyll> .hello till
14:02:01 <zodbot> tyll: till 'Till Maas' <opensource@till.name>
14:02:07 <riecatnor> partayyy
14:02:07 <mattdm> red hat summit party!
14:02:10 * pbrobinson is here
14:02:24 <riecatnor> there is a badger there eating ice cream
14:02:34 <nb> *ANNOUNCEMENT* If you come join us in the Fedora/CentOS chat on Virtual Summit, we have a BADGE!
14:02:45 <nb> And the Badge has ice cream (virtual ice cream)
14:03:12 <bcotton> don't give the badge to contyk, i don't want him catching back up to me
14:03:27 <bcotton> #topic Today's agenda
14:03:29 <bcotton> #info Flock update
14:03:30 <bcotton> #info Project directory
14:03:32 <bcotton> #info Policy proposal: Community Publishing Platforms
14:03:33 <bcotton> #info Elections
14:03:35 <bcotton> #info Your topics here!
14:04:00 <bcotton> #topic Flock update
14:04:01 <bcotton> #info Flock 2020 is canceled, but we can still Nest With Fedora
14:04:03 <bcotton> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/nest-with-fedora-call-for-ideas/
14:04:10 <bcotton> riecatnor, the floor is yours if you want to add anything
14:04:25 <mattdm> pbrobinson: I want to officially apologize for dropping some of your notes from the release announcement. Not sure how that happened.
14:04:44 <mattdm> (Note that some of the points did make the RH press release, so... there's that at least.)
14:04:47 <riecatnor> bcotton, yes I have a couple thoughts
14:05:43 <riecatnor> I was thinking about the event and I think it could be cool to focus on content creation, or in other words, storytelling.
14:06:48 <riecatnor> If we went this avenue, we could come up with the kind of stories we want to tell.. we can figure out how we will capture them from contributors during the event
14:07:17 <riecatnor> And then we will bribe our designers to put them together in nice ways that we can share
14:08:35 <mattdm> This sounds good in theory. Can you give a story example?
14:09:20 <riecatnor> Kinds of stories we might tell: how do you fedora, how we work with other communities, how we work within fedora, and more personal things like: "Fedora cooks" because we are all cooped up cooking for ourselves these days
14:09:39 <riecatnor> expounding on our "we are fedora"
14:10:06 <riecatnor> a display of our diversity by having folks say "we are fedora" in some traditional dress from their culture
14:11:29 <mattdm> This seems good. What part of it is the event? The showing off of fully-designed results, or the creation?
14:11:44 <riecatnor> I think we could also try to tell a story directly about nest with fedora, the upside down version of flock. could be something we want to accomplish, like sprints, hack sessions, documentation updates.
14:12:31 <riecatnor> I think we would use the event as the place to capture the content.. so the story is diversity of fedora - people show up on jitsi or bluejeans etc and we record the sessions.. and we have some script ready to o
14:12:34 <riecatnor> go*
14:12:49 <riecatnor> then afterwards, we edit those videos.
14:13:21 <mattdm> I'm much happier with jitsi lately but bluejeans is probably better for recording.
14:13:56 <asamalik> I like the idea of a creative event like this
14:13:59 <dgilmore> Last time I used jitsi it was really bad
14:14:03 <riecatnor> I am flexible on all of this.. just came to me that people are in a place where it might be nice to focus on letting people share their lives
14:14:28 <riecatnor> their specific interests, their homes even, culture, pets etc
14:14:36 <tyll> AFAIU, Jitsi works best when everyone uses the same browser engine (or if it is just a 1:1 meeting)
14:14:43 <dgilmore> Little mini hackfests would be awesome
14:15:24 <asamalik> and I wonder if some technical workshops or focused hackfests could happen around this — if people manage make some time for the event
14:15:28 <asamalik> yeah
14:15:29 <mattdm> tyll yeah, apparently they have a fix for that in the works
14:15:55 <riecatnor> I had an idea to do a badge (like the physical ones we do) based on peoples registrations.. would be nice to automate it.. but have people upload hackergotchi/profile pics and we can fill in the rest with their nicks etc
14:16:16 <riecatnor> and they can put it up on social media- just for fun kind of thing
14:16:51 <riecatnor> if it was automated, it would be so cute to be able to add on stickers like we do at the real event!
14:17:17 <riecatnor> so anyways.. I am full of ideas, I plan to open some tickets
14:17:23 <jwf> riecatnor: I like more personal sessions as alternates to evening activities - since those are always one of the things I enjoy most about Flock other than great sessions
14:17:24 <riecatnor> I encourage everyone else to do so
14:17:34 <bcotton> #link https://pagure.io/flock/issues
14:17:45 <jwf> The D&I Team could probably be a good resource for brainstorming on those things too
14:18:06 <riecatnor> yes, great! I am thinking about putting together an informal nest with fedora planning meeting
14:18:19 <riecatnor> I think interested folks would attend :)
14:18:40 <jwf> +1
14:19:23 <riecatnor> That's all I got for now.
14:19:40 <bcotton> thanks riecatnor. anyone have something for this topic?
14:19:49 <mattdm> jwf What's an idea of a "more personal session"?
14:22:43 <bcotton> okay, i think we'll move on and jwf can answer later
14:22:51 <bcotton> #topic Project directory
14:23:06 <jwf> mattdm: We'd have to brainstorm on a virtual equivalent for whatever value going out onto a river boat dinner cruise is :) It would be a good ticket for https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/
14:23:06 <bcotton> Remember in November when we decided we should have this and then we haven't done anything about it since?
14:23:27 <contyk> Yes!
14:23:30 <asamalik> yes
14:23:31 <bcotton> I propose we assign asamalik as our resident asciidoc expert to come up with an implementation for FESCo and Mindshare reps to start filling in
14:23:41 <mattdm> jwf sounds good
14:23:59 <mattdm> I second anything that involves assigning work to other people!
14:24:05 <bcotton> mattdm++
14:24:05 <zodbot> bcotton: Karma for mattdm changed to 1 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
14:24:08 <jwf> lolol
14:24:12 <asamalik> thanks you! :D we already have something
14:24:25 <bcotton> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?
14:25:07 <asamalik> on the homepage, we have Engineering Teams, Mindshare Teams, and Diversity & Inclusion links. And they get you into a space like this: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/mindshare/
14:25:26 <asamalik> I'd take this as a starting point and discuss what it's missing
14:25:40 <bcotton> right, but we were were talking about making a consolidated directory
14:25:52 <bcotton> i'll dig out the notes and put it in a ticket assigned to you
14:26:00 <asamalik> ok, thanks
14:26:04 * jwf hopes to one day have a clickable version of this: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/orgchart/
14:26:27 <riecatnor> jwf, my work on the org chart got buried. Thanks for reminding me.
14:26:28 <bcotton> #action bcotton to create a ticket for asamalik with a summary of the November discussion
14:26:29 <asamalik> but yes, I'm just blocking some time on my calendar for Docs-related work every week, so I believe I can work on this also during that
14:26:36 <bcotton> asamalik++
14:26:36 <zodbot> bcotton: Karma for asamalik changed to 2 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
14:27:11 <bcotton> anything else on this topic?
14:28:17 <bcotton> #topic Policy proposal: Community Publishing Platforms
14:28:19 <bcotton> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/293
14:28:35 <bcotton> so jwf submitted a policy proposal that got some feedback already
14:28:57 <bcotton> i think we're ready to start the ball rolling with a 2 week announcement period and then vote
14:28:58 <mattdm> jwf: thanks for kicking this off
14:29:08 <jwf> \o/
14:29:18 <mattdm> I am quite sure Legal is going to want to review this
14:29:39 <mattdm> We should make sure we have our intent very clear and then Marie and I can know what we want to push for
14:30:19 <bcotton> if anyone has any more feedback (particularly if there's anything that would make you -1), please provide that _today_ so i can Start The Process
14:30:22 <asamalik> that's related to the discussion we've had on the list about Planet, right?
14:30:44 <bcotton> it's independent
14:30:49 <asamalik> ok
14:31:22 <contyk> It looks reasonable.
14:31:30 <mattdm> But I think we probably *do* need to make a distinction between the blogs, where we control and publish the content, and the planent, where we don't
14:32:52 <bcotton> yeah, i see this as basically an extension/clarification of our existing trademark policy
14:32:53 <dgilmore> I agree legal will want to weigh in
14:33:16 <bcotton> we should take the money we're saving on flock and hire our own lawyer :p
14:33:33 <jwf> mattdm: For historical context, the CommBlog was, at one point in time, volunteer-led. As far as I know, there is no policy about how CommBlog is managed if bcotton suddenly decided he didn't want to do it anymore :)
14:33:46 <jwf> The bar for publishing on CommBlog used to be lower
14:34:03 <bcotton> is it higher now?
14:34:10 <jwf> (not that it is necessarily a bad thing now)
14:34:28 <jwf> bcotton: I think it gets paid more attention now than it did in 2015/2016 too :P
14:35:02 <mattdm> jwf: volunteer-led is a different distinction from "basically free-for-all once you're signed up"
14:35:04 <bcotton> #growth
14:35:30 <bcotton> ooh, that's a much better statement of the argument i was trying to make in the ticket
14:36:11 <bcotton> the fact that it's curated is the disctinction, not the fact that it happens to be curated by someone paid by red hat (and you could make a good argument that this is not a part of my vaguely-defined job)
14:36:17 <jwf> mattdm: Valid
14:36:31 <mattdm> exactly.
14:37:10 <asamalik> yes, that's a good point
14:37:28 <jwf> Anyway… if I can make any edits or facilitate this in any way, please keep me in the loop
14:37:40 <mattdm> jwf definitely. thanks again.
14:37:58 <jwf> Glad it is well-received, so far
14:39:49 <bcotton> anything else on this topic?
14:40:20 * asamalik is in favor
14:41:01 <bcotton> #topic Elections
14:41:03 <bcotton> I'm going to start the elections questionnaire process today. Start thinking if we want to change up the questions for Council candidates or not
14:41:36 <bcotton> not really much else here, i don't think
14:41:48 <bcotton> we don't need to discuss the questions right now unless someone _really_ wants to
14:42:01 <mattdm> nope :)
14:42:58 <bcotton> #topic Next meeting
14:43:00 <bcotton> #info The next Fedora Council meeting is 13 May. It will be our monthly video meeting featuring Lenovo's Mark Pearson
14:43:17 <asamalik> \o/
14:43:30 <bcotton> i'll start a thread on council-discuss to solicit some general questions/things we want mark to cover
14:43:45 <bcotton> i've given him nothing to start from yet
14:44:17 <bcotton> #action bcotton to start a thread on council-discuss to solicit some general questions/things we want mark to cover
14:44:37 <bcotton> #topic Do we have anything to announce?
14:44:39 <bcotton> #info This is a regular check to make sure we're communicating to the contributor (via CommBlog) and user (via Magazine) communities
14:44:43 <bcotton> things already announced:
14:44:44 <bcotton> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/coming-soon-fedora-on-lenovo-laptops/
14:44:46 <bcotton> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-32/
14:45:02 <bcotton> anything else we need to broadcast?
14:45:13 <riecatnor> nest with fedora post
14:45:18 <riecatnor> but that may have happened already.
14:46:07 <bcotton> it's #link'ed above and i think i've seen it shared in the flock channel
14:46:14 <bcotton> probably good to send it to the flock ml, too?
14:47:02 <riecatnor> ya, I can do that
14:47:37 <bcotton> #action riecatnor to send Nest With Fedora post to flock mailing list
14:47:49 <pingou> should it be sent to devel-announce?
14:48:12 <pingou> If I had not checked by accident flocktofedora on Monday I don't think I would have seen the info
14:48:25 <bcotton> in retrospect, we probably should have put "Flock update:" in the headline of the post
14:48:46 <bcotton> pingou: you should subscribe to the commblog ;-) but yeah, that's a good idea
14:48:48 <bcotton> #undo
14:48:48 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by bcotton at 14:47:37 : riecatnor to send Nest With Fedora post to flock mailing list
14:48:57 <pingou> bcotton: was it sent to flock-planning?
14:48:59 <bcotton> #action riecatnor to send Nest With Fedora post to flock and devel-announce mailing lists
14:49:57 <jwf> Maybe good for announce@ too, since Flock news is not specific to Fedora Developers, it is true for the wider Fedora Community
14:50:23 * jwf knows devel-announce reaches some people but misses others
14:50:29 <asamalik> +1 for announce
14:51:01 <bcotton> pingou: it appears no. i'm not sure flock-planning is a useful list anymore anyway
14:51:14 <mattdm> flock-planning is mostly spam  :(
14:51:36 <mattdm> Main announce sounds good to me.
14:51:47 <bcotton> and we have Professionals[tm] to do the flock planning now
14:51:50 <bcotton> #undo
14:51:50 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by bcotton at 14:48:59 : riecatnor to send Nest With Fedora post to flock and devel-announce mailing lists
14:52:03 <bcotton> #action riecatnor to send Nest With Fedora post to flock-attendees, announce and devel-announce mailing lists
14:52:29 <riecatnor> :P got it
14:52:41 <jwf> :)
14:52:49 <jwf> riecatnor++
14:52:49 <zodbot> jwf: Karma for riecatnor changed to 2 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
14:52:52 <pingou> bcotton: then I guess I'm not the correct flock mailing list
14:53:02 * pingou thought flock-planning was still a thing
14:53:21 <bcotton> just looking at the archives, it was basically entirely unused in 2019
14:53:36 <pingou> so last flock?
14:54:20 <jwf> I thought it was flock-attendees@lists.fp.o :) But I see now that both exist
14:54:50 <bcotton> #topic Open floor
14:54:56 <bcotton> anything else we need to cover in the last few minutes?
14:54:57 <pingou> there has been yearly -attendees lists
14:55:24 <pingou> (at least until 2017 apparently)
14:55:24 <bcotton> not since 2017 :-)
14:55:27 <bcotton> jinx!
14:55:35 <pingou> you win :)
14:56:09 <bcotton> last call for discussion!
14:56:25 <bcotton> pingou++
14:56:25 <zodbot> bcotton: Karma for pingou changed to 2 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
14:56:42 <mattdm> Headed back to RH summit chat. See you there!
14:56:44 <mattdm> thanks ben!
14:56:47 <mattdm> and everyone
14:57:00 <asamalik> come to get your badge! see you there!
14:57:16 <pingou> (where are the badges? asamalik ?)
14:57:46 <asamalik> pingou: RH Virtual Summit - Fedora and CentOS space
14:58:15 <bcotton> okay, thanks everyone! see you in two weeks!
14:58:18 <bcotton> #endmeeting