14:00:05 #startmeeting Council (2020-04-29) 14:00:05 Meeting started Wed Apr 29 14:00:05 2020 UTC. 14:00:05 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 14:00:05 The chair is bcotton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:05 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:05 The meeting name has been set to 'council_(2020-04-29)' 14:00:06 #meetingname council 14:00:06 The meeting name has been set to 'council' 14:00:07 #chair jonatoni riecatnor contyk dgilmore mattdm sumantrom tyll bcotton pbrobinson asamalik 14:00:07 Current chairs: asamalik bcotton contyk dgilmore jonatoni mattdm pbrobinson riecatnor sumantrom tyll 14:00:09 #topic Introductions, Welcomes 14:00:17 helo 14:00:23 Hello 14:00:38 .hello2 14:00:39 asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' 14:00:44 hi dgilmore, asamalik 14:00:51 .hello psabata 14:00:52 contyk: psabata 'Petr Šabata' 14:00:52 hullo bcotton! 14:00:58 hi riecatnor 14:01:02 hey everyone! 14:01:10 * jwf waves 14:01:14 Hi jwf! 14:01:15 welcome jwf 14:01:20 hey everyone! 14:01:41 hi 14:01:56 welcome nb, mattdm 14:01:59 we have quite a party today 14:02:00 .hello till 14:02:01 tyll: till 'Till Maas' 14:02:07 partayyy 14:02:07 red hat summit party! 14:02:10 * pbrobinson is here 14:02:24 there is a badger there eating ice cream 14:02:34 *ANNOUNCEMENT* If you come join us in the Fedora/CentOS chat on Virtual Summit, we have a BADGE! 14:02:45 And the Badge has ice cream (virtual ice cream) 14:03:12 don't give the badge to contyk, i don't want him catching back up to me 14:03:27 #topic Today's agenda 14:03:29 #info Flock update 14:03:30 #info Project directory 14:03:32 #info Policy proposal: Community Publishing Platforms 14:03:33 #info Elections 14:03:35 #info Your topics here! 14:04:00 #topic Flock update 14:04:01 #info Flock 2020 is canceled, but we can still Nest With Fedora 14:04:03 #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/nest-with-fedora-call-for-ideas/ 14:04:10 riecatnor, the floor is yours if you want to add anything 14:04:25 pbrobinson: I want to officially apologize for dropping some of your notes from the release announcement. Not sure how that happened. 14:04:44 (Note that some of the points did make the RH press release, so... there's that at least.) 14:04:47 bcotton, yes I have a couple thoughts 14:05:43 I was thinking about the event and I think it could be cool to focus on content creation, or in other words, storytelling. 14:06:48 If we went this avenue, we could come up with the kind of stories we want to tell.. we can figure out how we will capture them from contributors during the event 14:07:17 And then we will bribe our designers to put them together in nice ways that we can share 14:08:35 This sounds good in theory. Can you give a story example? 14:09:20 Kinds of stories we might tell: how do you fedora, how we work with other communities, how we work within fedora, and more personal things like: "Fedora cooks" because we are all cooped up cooking for ourselves these days 14:09:39 expounding on our "we are fedora" 14:10:06 a display of our diversity by having folks say "we are fedora" in some traditional dress from their culture 14:11:29 This seems good. What part of it is the event? The showing off of fully-designed results, or the creation? 14:11:44 I think we could also try to tell a story directly about nest with fedora, the upside down version of flock. could be something we want to accomplish, like sprints, hack sessions, documentation updates. 14:12:31 I think we would use the event as the place to capture the content.. so the story is diversity of fedora - people show up on jitsi or bluejeans etc and we record the sessions.. and we have some script ready to o 14:12:34 go* 14:12:49 then afterwards, we edit those videos. 14:13:21 I'm much happier with jitsi lately but bluejeans is probably better for recording. 14:13:56 I like the idea of a creative event like this 14:13:59 Last time I used jitsi it was really bad 14:14:03 I am flexible on all of this.. just came to me that people are in a place where it might be nice to focus on letting people share their lives 14:14:28 their specific interests, their homes even, culture, pets etc 14:14:36 AFAIU, Jitsi works best when everyone uses the same browser engine (or if it is just a 1:1 meeting) 14:14:43 Little mini hackfests would be awesome 14:15:24 and I wonder if some technical workshops or focused hackfests could happen around this — if people manage make some time for the event 14:15:28 yeah 14:15:29 tyll yeah, apparently they have a fix for that in the works 14:15:55 I had an idea to do a badge (like the physical ones we do) based on peoples registrations.. would be nice to automate it.. but have people upload hackergotchi/profile pics and we can fill in the rest with their nicks etc 14:16:16 and they can put it up on social media- just for fun kind of thing 14:16:51 if it was automated, it would be so cute to be able to add on stickers like we do at the real event! 14:17:17 so anyways.. I am full of ideas, I plan to open some tickets 14:17:23 riecatnor: I like more personal sessions as alternates to evening activities - since those are always one of the things I enjoy most about Flock other than great sessions 14:17:24 I encourage everyone else to do so 14:17:34 #link https://pagure.io/flock/issues 14:17:45 The D&I Team could probably be a good resource for brainstorming on those things too 14:18:06 yes, great! I am thinking about putting together an informal nest with fedora planning meeting 14:18:19 I think interested folks would attend :) 14:18:40 +1 14:19:23 That's all I got for now. 14:19:40 thanks riecatnor. anyone have something for this topic? 14:19:49 jwf What's an idea of a "more personal session"? 14:22:43 okay, i think we'll move on and jwf can answer later 14:22:51 #topic Project directory 14:23:06 mattdm: We'd have to brainstorm on a virtual equivalent for whatever value going out onto a river boat dinner cruise is :) It would be a good ticket for https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/ 14:23:06 Remember in November when we decided we should have this and then we haven't done anything about it since? 14:23:27 Yes! 14:23:30 yes 14:23:31 I propose we assign asamalik as our resident asciidoc expert to come up with an implementation for FESCo and Mindshare reps to start filling in 14:23:41 jwf sounds good 14:23:59 I second anything that involves assigning work to other people! 14:24:05 mattdm++ 14:24:05 bcotton: Karma for mattdm changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 14:24:08 lolol 14:24:12 thanks you! :D we already have something 14:24:25 ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh? 14:25:07 on the homepage, we have Engineering Teams, Mindshare Teams, and Diversity & Inclusion links. And they get you into a space like this: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/mindshare/ 14:25:26 I'd take this as a starting point and discuss what it's missing 14:25:40 right, but we were were talking about making a consolidated directory 14:25:52 i'll dig out the notes and put it in a ticket assigned to you 14:26:00 ok, thanks 14:26:04 * jwf hopes to one day have a clickable version of this: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/orgchart/ 14:26:27 jwf, my work on the org chart got buried. Thanks for reminding me. 14:26:28 #action bcotton to create a ticket for asamalik with a summary of the November discussion 14:26:29 but yes, I'm just blocking some time on my calendar for Docs-related work every week, so I believe I can work on this also during that 14:26:36 asamalik++ 14:26:36 bcotton: Karma for asamalik changed to 2 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 14:27:11 anything else on this topic? 14:28:17 #topic Policy proposal: Community Publishing Platforms 14:28:19 #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/293 14:28:35 so jwf submitted a policy proposal that got some feedback already 14:28:57 i think we're ready to start the ball rolling with a 2 week announcement period and then vote 14:28:58 jwf: thanks for kicking this off 14:29:08 \o/ 14:29:18 I am quite sure Legal is going to want to review this 14:29:39 We should make sure we have our intent very clear and then Marie and I can know what we want to push for 14:30:19 if anyone has any more feedback (particularly if there's anything that would make you -1), please provide that _today_ so i can Start The Process 14:30:22 that's related to the discussion we've had on the list about Planet, right? 14:30:44 it's independent 14:30:49 ok 14:31:22 It looks reasonable. 14:31:30 But I think we probably *do* need to make a distinction between the blogs, where we control and publish the content, and the planent, where we don't 14:32:52 yeah, i see this as basically an extension/clarification of our existing trademark policy 14:32:53 I agree legal will want to weigh in 14:33:16 we should take the money we're saving on flock and hire our own lawyer :p 14:33:33 mattdm: For historical context, the CommBlog was, at one point in time, volunteer-led. As far as I know, there is no policy about how CommBlog is managed if bcotton suddenly decided he didn't want to do it anymore :) 14:33:46 The bar for publishing on CommBlog used to be lower 14:34:03 is it higher now? 14:34:10 (not that it is necessarily a bad thing now) 14:34:28 bcotton: I think it gets paid more attention now than it did in 2015/2016 too :P 14:35:02 jwf: volunteer-led is a different distinction from "basically free-for-all once you're signed up" 14:35:04 #growth 14:35:30 ooh, that's a much better statement of the argument i was trying to make in the ticket 14:36:11 the fact that it's curated is the disctinction, not the fact that it happens to be curated by someone paid by red hat (and you could make a good argument that this is not a part of my vaguely-defined job) 14:36:17 mattdm: Valid 14:36:31 exactly. 14:37:10 yes, that's a good point 14:37:28 Anyway… if I can make any edits or facilitate this in any way, please keep me in the loop 14:37:40 jwf definitely. thanks again. 14:37:58 Glad it is well-received, so far 14:39:49 anything else on this topic? 14:40:20 * asamalik is in favor 14:41:01 #topic Elections 14:41:03 I'm going to start the elections questionnaire process today. Start thinking if we want to change up the questions for Council candidates or not 14:41:36 not really much else here, i don't think 14:41:48 we don't need to discuss the questions right now unless someone _really_ wants to 14:42:01 nope :) 14:42:58 #topic Next meeting 14:43:00 #info The next Fedora Council meeting is 13 May. It will be our monthly video meeting featuring Lenovo's Mark Pearson 14:43:17 \o/ 14:43:30 i'll start a thread on council-discuss to solicit some general questions/things we want mark to cover 14:43:45 i've given him nothing to start from yet 14:44:17 #action bcotton to start a thread on council-discuss to solicit some general questions/things we want mark to cover 14:44:37 #topic Do we have anything to announce? 14:44:39 #info This is a regular check to make sure we're communicating to the contributor (via CommBlog) and user (via Magazine) communities 14:44:43 things already announced: 14:44:44 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/coming-soon-fedora-on-lenovo-laptops/ 14:44:46 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-32/ 14:45:02 anything else we need to broadcast? 14:45:13 nest with fedora post 14:45:18 but that may have happened already. 14:46:07 it's #link'ed above and i think i've seen it shared in the flock channel 14:46:14 probably good to send it to the flock ml, too? 14:47:02 ya, I can do that 14:47:37 #action riecatnor to send Nest With Fedora post to flock mailing list 14:47:49 should it be sent to devel-announce? 14:48:12 If I had not checked by accident flocktofedora on Monday I don't think I would have seen the info 14:48:25 in retrospect, we probably should have put "Flock update:" in the headline of the post 14:48:46 pingou: you should subscribe to the commblog ;-) but yeah, that's a good idea 14:48:48 #undo 14:48:48 Removing item from minutes: ACTION by bcotton at 14:47:37 : riecatnor to send Nest With Fedora post to flock mailing list 14:48:57 bcotton: was it sent to flock-planning? 14:48:59 #action riecatnor to send Nest With Fedora post to flock and devel-announce mailing lists 14:49:57 Maybe good for announce@ too, since Flock news is not specific to Fedora Developers, it is true for the wider Fedora Community 14:50:23 * jwf knows devel-announce reaches some people but misses others 14:50:29 +1 for announce 14:51:01 pingou: it appears no. i'm not sure flock-planning is a useful list anymore anyway 14:51:14 flock-planning is mostly spam :( 14:51:36 Main announce sounds good to me. 14:51:47 and we have Professionals[tm] to do the flock planning now 14:51:50 #undo 14:51:50 Removing item from minutes: ACTION by bcotton at 14:48:59 : riecatnor to send Nest With Fedora post to flock and devel-announce mailing lists 14:52:03 #action riecatnor to send Nest With Fedora post to flock-attendees, announce and devel-announce mailing lists 14:52:29 :P got it 14:52:41 :) 14:52:49 riecatnor++ 14:52:49 jwf: Karma for riecatnor changed to 2 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 14:52:52 bcotton: then I guess I'm not the correct flock mailing list 14:53:02 * pingou thought flock-planning was still a thing 14:53:21 just looking at the archives, it was basically entirely unused in 2019 14:53:36 so last flock? 14:54:20 I thought it was flock-attendees@lists.fp.o :) But I see now that both exist 14:54:50 #topic Open floor 14:54:56 anything else we need to cover in the last few minutes? 14:54:57 there has been yearly -attendees lists 14:55:24 (at least until 2017 apparently) 14:55:24 not since 2017 :-) 14:55:27 jinx! 14:55:35 you win :) 14:56:09 last call for discussion! 14:56:25 pingou++ 14:56:25 bcotton: Karma for pingou changed to 2 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 14:56:42 Headed back to RH summit chat. See you there! 14:56:44 thanks ben! 14:56:47 and everyone 14:57:00 come to get your badge! see you there! 14:57:16 (where are the badges? asamalik ?) 14:57:46 pingou: RH Virtual Summit - Fedora and CentOS space 14:58:15 okay, thanks everyone! see you in two weeks! 14:58:18 #endmeeting