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17:00:14 <geppetto> #topic Roll Call
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17:00:20 * limburgher here
17:00:24 * King_InuYasha waves
17:00:27 <geppetto> #chair limburgher
17:00:27 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto limburgher
17:00:27 <King_InuYasha> .hello ngompa
17:00:28 <zodbot> King_InuYasha: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' <ngompa13@gmail.com>
17:00:30 <geppetto> #chair King_InuYasha
17:00:30 <zodbot> Current chairs: King_InuYasha geppetto limburgher
17:00:31 <copperi> .
17:00:34 <limburgher> :partyparrot:
17:01:13 * decathorpe is here
17:01:16 <geppetto> #chair decathorpe
17:01:16 <zodbot> Current chairs: King_InuYasha decathorpe geppetto limburgher
17:01:49 <geppetto> #chair mhroncok
17:01:49 <zodbot> Current chairs: King_InuYasha decathorpe geppetto limburgher mhroncok
17:01:49 <mhroncok> hey hey
17:01:54 <geppetto> hey
17:02:04 * carlwgeorge waves
17:02:20 <geppetto> #chair carlwgeorge
17:02:20 <zodbot> Current chairs: King_InuYasha carlwgeorge decathorpe geppetto limburgher mhroncok
17:04:08 <tibbs> Hey, folks.
17:05:25 <geppetto> #chair tibbs
17:05:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: King_InuYasha carlwgeorge decathorpe geppetto limburgher mhroncok tibbs
17:05:34 <geppetto> #topic Schedule
17:05:37 <geppetto> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/packaging@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/HASAPOC4ULUTEZOWKLZZLTXLCS267EX4/
17:05:43 <tibbs> Wow 7 people.
17:05:47 <geppetto> #topic Open Floor
17:06:04 <tibbs> Did anyone ever figure out what happened to Igor?
17:06:09 <geppetto> Yeh, we also don't have much again … any of the actions that we have any updates on?
17:06:14 <geppetto> No
17:06:35 <defolos> tibbs: mhroncok said that he's alive but super busy
17:06:44 <tibbs> Ah, that's good news.
17:06:45 <defolos> maybe he has further details
17:06:58 <mhroncok> work busy
17:07:06 <mhroncok> hopes to go back to normal soon
17:08:08 <geppetto> cool
17:08:35 <defolos> send him our wishes that he'll have time soon and less stress
17:09:05 <tibbs> So I don't have anything.  Though I'm supposed to be checking with releng about whether a specific feature is enabled in koji.
17:09:05 <mhroncok> I'll try, but the info I've got is from zbyszek
17:12:02 <tibbs> Thing is, after three months I've sort of lost track of the exact option.  I'm pretty sure it's "bootstrap-chroot".
17:13:00 <mhroncok> tibbs: it is enabled in stagging now
17:13:55 <geppetto> cool, so that's done
17:14:02 <tibbs> That's what I thought, but of course staging isn't production.
17:14:24 <geppetto> Sure, but it's "just" a matter of time until it gets there
17:14:33 * geppetto laughs maniacly
17:14:46 <mhroncok> :D
17:15:06 <mhroncok> I am sure infra/releng would lov some testing of this in stagging
17:15:30 <mhroncok> so if we worry about a specific thing (e.g. calling rpm from the spec), we might help to see if it works
17:17:13 <nirik> I plan to enable it in prod when we move builders to f33... it seems to be working ok in stg for my simple testing.
17:18:02 <geppetto> cool
17:18:04 <tibbs> For some reason I thought it was required to use current RPM, but maybe we just don't enable the relevant feature yet.
17:18:16 <mhroncok> nirik++
17:18:16 <zodbot> mhroncok: Karma for kevin changed to 10 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:18:49 <King_InuYasha> tibbs: it'll become mandatory once rpm rips out bdb support in F34
17:18:55 <nirik> that ^
17:19:09 <nirik> well, for epel builds and older fedora
17:20:08 <King_InuYasha> yup
17:21:00 <geppetto> King_InuYasha: So is it done for copr too?
17:21:10 <mhroncok> geppetto: you can choose
17:21:16 <mhroncok> geppetto: per project
17:21:24 <mhroncok> default is to use chroot
17:21:35 <mhroncok> I mean boostrap chroot
17:21:38 <geppetto> ok
17:21:42 <mhroncok> but there is a slight difference
17:21:52 <mhroncok> the chroot is bootstrapped by Fedora only
17:21:56 <geppetto> So I think all the actions for pr 954 are done then
17:21:57 <mhroncok> without packages in copr
17:22:02 <King_InuYasha> they will switch the default when koji does
17:22:24 <mhroncok> so if you want to build rpm with a different backend in copr, the bootrap option might not help
17:22:38 <King_InuYasha> https://pagure.io/copr/copr/issue/1483
17:23:07 <tibbs> Am I correct that the bottom line here is that the PR where this is discussed (which bans calling RPM from within a specfile) isn't something we want to apply?
17:23:28 <mhroncok> King_InuYasha: oh right. bootstrap is not the default yet, sorry
17:23:34 <mhroncok> it's only the default in mock
17:23:49 <mhroncok> tibbs: I would say so, yes
17:24:43 <geppetto> I think we mostly agreed that once the config. changed there wasn't a problem with it anymore
17:25:22 <tibbs> I do still wish we could encapsulate all allowed uses into a few macros instead of just saying "you can call rpm in any way you like".
17:26:18 <tibbs> Someone, somewhere will want to call rpm -e or rpm -i OURCE2 or whatever.
17:26:52 <tibbs> But I guess anyone who does that gets to keep all the pieces.
17:27:10 <praiskup> bootstrap will by the default in copr too (tomorrow)
17:28:37 <mhroncok> praiskup++
17:28:37 <zodbot> mhroncok: Karma for praiskup changed to 1 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:28:41 <geppetto> praiskup: cool
17:33:44 <geppetto> Ok, so I'm going to close and give everyone 25 mins back, unless there's anything else anyone wants to talk about?
17:34:03 <tibbs> I guess that means it's treadmill time for me.  Thanks, everyone.
17:34:55 <mhroncok> geppetto: I've been procrastinating FPC stuff lately :(
17:35:05 <mhroncok> sorry about that
17:35:11 <mhroncok> I have nothing
17:38:24 <geppetto> #endmeeting