14:01:53 #startmeeting FPgM office hours 14:01:53 Meeting started Wed Mar 3 14:01:53 2021 UTC. 14:01:53 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 14:01:53 The chair is bcotton_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:01:53 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:01:53 The meeting name has been set to 'fpgm_office_hours' 14:01:55 #info This is an open floor meeting to discuss anything program management related (elections, changes, schedule, etc) 14:02:05 #topic Announcements 14:02:11 #info The Fedora Social Hour is tomorrow: https://element.io/app/#/room/#fedora-social-hour:matrix.org 14:02:17 #info The Beta freeze is underway. 14:02:18 #info The early target for the Fedora 34 Beta release is 16 March. 14:02:21 #topic Open floor 14:19:06 Hi ! Ben, could you provide some information about the discussion to switch from Working Group / SIG form of organisation to something else, teams or so? 14:19:59 pboyHB: it's not a switch so much as a "the labels don't matter" 14:21:52 it was part of the discussion that when into https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedoras-strategic-direction-an-update-from-the-council/ (although it wasn't in the output, which is not helpful) 14:22:01 it's on my list of documentation to improve 14:22:42 bcotton: OK, as I understood your remark last Server Working group meeting it would touch the question of commitment and governance? 14:23:10 teams can decide how to govern themselves 14:23:41 historically, a working group had more stringent requirements than a sig, but the reality is that people weren't necessarily operating that way 14:24:17 so it's a distinction that didn't make sense to try to draw 14:26:02 I had the impression that for Fedora Editions that distinction is kind of essential to ensure Editions will "fly" ? 14:26:44 And probably, some Working Groups follow these guidelines? e.g. Workstation? 14:27:11 "The candidate Edition must be backed by a team that holds regular public meetings" 14:27:16 from https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/council/policy/edition-promotion-policy/ 14:27:55 as a practical matter, some degree of formalization helps the team function, but there's no requirement other than having meetings 14:29:37 Don't we also need results? 14:29:46 what do you mean? 14:31:34 Well, in case of Server we are lacking a lot of documentation (my speciality), of there may be some need to adjust the filesystem / default partitioning, something like that. 14:31:52 i'm still not sure what you're asking me 14:33:52 I'm asking myself, what is the way of Fedora to create a structure to realise results / improvements / adjustments. 14:35:18 ah, so "how should we set up the server wg to be successful"? 14:35:28 Or, how could we manage to form a group of reliably active people? 14:36:07 yeah, what can I do to get the work, e.g. documentation, getting done. 14:36:32 i definitely have opinions on the matter. they're not very well-formed yet 14:37:09 although this lightning talk I gave at DevConf.CZ last month is certainly a part of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLrbvUQsMiM&list=PLU1vS0speL2ay8C8ymOkedNfno52mOJcw&index=7 14:37:16 It's a bit frustrating to have lot of people in the meeting, but afterwards is "big silence" 14:37:50 yeah, i understand that. it's a hard problem to solve in a volunteer project (it can be hard to solve in a corporate project too) 14:39:33 Indeed, Well. I'll watch the video later. 14:40:14 i'll try to put my thoughts into a more coherent form soon, too 14:40:38 relatedly: would you be willing to present at an upcoming Council video meeting? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Council/Video_Meetings 14:41:22 Thanks, I'll red it, for sure 14:42:43 regarding Video meeting, I could try (allthough i'm not an english native speaker), but about what? (my frustration. :-) ) 14:42:45 specifically, to talk about what you've done to revitalize the server wg, what you'd like to see for it in the next year or so, and how the council and community can help 14:44:05 Ok, that's a good point. And I have some ideas what I'm missing. 14:45:17 would you want to do 8 april or would you rather wait a little longer? 14:47:25 According to my schedule I have a commitment from Mach 16 to April 6, , so the May 13 would be better 14:48:32 I don't know how much I can do beside my work during that commitment 14:48:46 sure, no problem :-) 14:49:10 maybe that'll give us some time to solve a few of the frustrations too :-) 14:50:07 Thanks, luckily I'm pretty "frustration tolerant" 14:50:21 haha, you'll have to teach me how to be that way 14:54:27 OK, another documentation projekt. :-) 14:54:54 the docs are never done :-) 14:56:45 okay, time to get ready for my next meeting(s) 14:56:49 thanks for stopping by pboyHB! 14:57:05 pboyHB++ 14:57:05 bcotton: Karma for pboy changed to 6 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 14:57:08 thanks for your time. Bye 14:57:23 #endmeeting