16:00:01 #startmeeting Prioritized bugs and issues 16:00:01 Meeting started Wed Jan 12 16:00:01 2022 UTC. 16:00:01 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:00:01 The chair is bcotton. 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Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 16:00:36 :) 16:00:48 hello! 16:00:54 I guess I won't try the zodbot way :) 16:01:42 hmmm 16:01:55 i guess this means we're not logging the meeting either? 16:02:20 stand by 16:02:25 not necessarily 16:02:36 it chnaged the meeting name and everyhting 16:02:42 it might just have trouble with FAS 16:03:02 weird 16:03:21 because it didn't do the "meeting started" boilerplate...or at least that hasn't come through the bridge 16:03:29 yeah I think it's broken 16:03:37 (17:00:02) zodbot: Meeting started Wed Jan 12 16:00:01 2022 UTC. 16:03:56 oh, there is is. i apparently wasn't paying attenion 16:04:06 * bcotton goes to refill coffee 16:04:07 ha and I JUST TRUSTED YOU 16:04:15 heh 16:04:25 your first mistake 16:04:51 okay, shall we? 16:04:58 #topic Common Bugs review 16:04:59 #info Let's start with a check of the Common Bugs pages for supported releases and see if any should be nominated as Prioritized Bugs 16:04:59 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F34_bugs 16:04:59 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F35_bugs 16:05:58 I don't think there are any new ones, unless edited into the wiki without a corresponding bugzilla entry 16:06:19 at least some of these are closed. i don't think the wiki gets updated often once the release has been out for a bit 16:06:38 Yeah this is an advantage of the New Proposed System 16:06:45 so let's move on to the ones that are actually nominated 16:06:49 +1 16:07:03 #topic Nominated bugs 16:07:03 #info 5 nominated bugs 16:07:03 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__open__&f1=flagtypes.name&f2=OP&list_id=10871664&o1=substring&query_format=advanced&v1=fedora_prioritized_bug%3F 16:07:06 #topic Lenovo ThinkPad T490, unable to boot following clean install, stuck at splash screen 16:07:06 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1955416 16:08:02 * mattdm read read read 16:08:54 I'm here to discuss that one if needed - but on a customer call right now - for a few more mins...trying to multi-task 16:09:06 This looks... worrisome 16:09:21 yes 16:09:35 bcotton_: let's move to different one and come back when mark can pay more attention? 16:09:43 Actually - all done. I'm all ears 16:09:50 Also, did mentioning Lenovo summon Mark? That's amazing. :) 16:09:52 ohai MarkPearson 16:10:06 My problem on that bug is we can't reproduce - so I can't pull in FW team support yet 16:10:07 the reasoning to make this prioritized sounds reasonbale to me 16:10:13 Your wish is my command ;) 16:10:14 "Proposing as a prioritized bug because: (a) it's a regression in at least shim, possibly the device firmware too (b) it affects fairly common hardware (c) other distributions aren't having this problem (yet) (d) it's taking too long to make some forward progress like even "ok we have a shim that spits out more debug info could you try this?"" 16:10:48 I believe it impacts more than our systems too - but we seem to be the worst for some reason 16:11:00 +1 to prioritized, but we need a reliable way to reproduce? 16:11:59 We can say that in the bug, and I can bring it to the RH desktop team to see if anyone can reproduce there? 16:13:06 And MarkPearson — is "impacts more than Lenovo" a hunch or is there something we can point to on that 16:13:10 I mean, your hunches are probably good, but, you know :) 16:13:28 One of the threads pointed to a Dell system - but I can't remember which thread and where. 16:13:39 I'll see if I can find it - but it was definitely mostly Lenovo's 16:13:58 What's weird is I have Fedora on the majority of my systems - and I've not seen any issues....many platforms 16:14:08 We tested on two different T490's - both are good 16:14:23 "I have the same issue on a Acer Aspire E1-731" https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1955416#c19 16:15:42 proposed #agreed BZ 1955416 is accepted as a Prioritized Bug as it affects multiple popular hardware vendors. 16:16:07 possibly affects? 16:16:44 I'll note this to the RH team -- unless, Mark, is there a thread open already? 16:17:33 #agreed BZ 1955416 is accepted as a Prioritized Bug as it apparently affects multiple popular hardware vendors. 16:17:34 Peter Robinson is on the bug already - and he's the person I would reach out to so I haven't started a separate thread 16:18:43 Peter Robinson or pjones ? 16:19:34 Doh - pjones. 16:19:47 there is a needinfo on pjones since 2021-06-08 16:19:52 Is it Friday yet? 16:19:54 I don't think they read bugzilla emails 16:19:57 #action mattdm to follow up with Red Hat desktop team 16:20:27 i'll wait another moment before we move on to the next bug 16:20:28 (oh sorry, mixed the date with another needinfo) 16:20:52 I'll talk to peter, and also others for reproducers. 16:20:59 thanks 16:21:31 #topic Lenovo Ideapad 5 14alc05 Touchpad Randomly stops working 16:21:31 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2019926 16:22:16 I don't really know why this should be prioritized 16:22:50 is there any reason it should be secret? 16:22:58 the lack of any response from the maintainers kinda worries me, but this seems like juts one user that might have hardware issues 16:23:09 mattdm: there are some logs, so maybe becasue of that? 16:24:12 oh, i didn't notice that. i don't think so 16:24:43 fwiw, there's some history of this apparently https://ask.fedoraproject.org/t/lenovo-ideapad-5-14iil05-not-work-touchpad/8733/15 16:25:02 although that behavior doesn't sound quite the same 16:25:31 MarkPearson: since you're around any opinion on this one? lenovo Ideapad 5 14alc05? 16:25:58 I can't access the bug I'm afraid and I'm limited what I cna do for Ideapads as they're not Linux certified. 16:26:02 also maybe https://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?325628-Lenovo-Ideapad-5-14ARE5-touchpad-not-working-cannot-wake-from-sleep 16:26:20 My overall response is: Yeah, we like to make sure all hardware works, but the Fedora kernel team can't possibly cover all of it; this is unlikely to be Fedora-specific... please take upstream and to Lenovo? 16:26:22 We do have another platform that we're looking at with similar - but no update on that yet...and it's wild speculation that it would be the same 16:27:16 I think the response is reasonable. If I can get the vendor information for the touchpad I can try and reach out that way - but it's always tricky on these ones sadly 16:29:09 proposed #agreed BZ 2019926 is rejected as a Prioritized Bug. This issue should be reported to the kernel upstream and to Lenovo. This specific hardware is not certified for Linux by Lenovo 16:29:09 Just searching for "MSFT0002:00 04F3:31B8" yields a lot of reports across a lot of distros 16:29:09 hmm 16:29:09 this time slot is usually for FCOS meetings? 16:29:19 I don't think so 16:29:20 dustymabe: We got pushed here by the IoT meeting :) 16:29:22 mayeb in another room? 16:29:30 .nextmeeting 16:29:30 dustymabe: (nextmeeting ) -- Return the next meeting scheduled for a particular channel. 16:29:36 .nextmeeting #fedora-meeting-1 16:29:37 dustymabe: b'In #fedora-meeting-1 is Fedora CoreOS Group Weekly Meeting (starting in seconds)' 16:29:39 dustymabe: b'In #fedora-meeting-1 is Rust SIG Meeting (starting in 4 hours)' 16:29:43 dustymabe: b'In #fedora-meeting-1 is FPgM office hours (starting in 4 hours)' 16:29:46 dustymabe: - https://calendar.fedoraproject.org/location/fedora-meeting-1%40irc.libera.chat/ 16:29:49 starting in seconds 16:29:52 ok then :) 16:30:03 wrap it up? :) 16:30:12 thank you and sorry! 16:30:17 we still have three more bugs 16:30:35 we can try a different channel 16:30:36 there are FOUR "fedora-meeting-1" locations in Fedocal. That can't be helping. 16:31:00 dustymabe: If you could,t hat's be awesome, and we'll straighten it out for next time? 16:31:20 s/t//, s/hat/that/, s/s/d/ 16:31:23 send people to #fedora-meeting-2 16:31:25 #agreed BZ 2019926 is rejected as a Prioritized Bug. This issue should be reported to the kernel upstream and to Lenovo. This specific hardware is not certified for Linux by Lenovo 16:31:49 dustymabe: ack 16:31:58 thanks dustymabe ! 16:32:31 #topic Flatpak using excessive space in /var/lib/flatpak/appstream 16:32:31 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2032528 16:32:31 #link https://ask.fedoraproject.org/t/flatpak-using-much-more-storage-space-than-installed-packages/18160 16:33:13 +1 to this. It's bad. 16:33:29 I'm the OP for that one FWIW 16:33:45 do we know how widespread it is? i checked my laptop yesterday and didn't see this behavior 16:33:52 welcome, jhaiduce_ ! 16:34:14 I saw it on both of my main systems 16:34:23 One was just a little inflated, one was horrific 16:34:24 .hi 16:34:29 lorbus: lorbus 'Christian Glombek' 16:34:40 lorbus: go fedora-meeting-2 16:35:27 I renamed /var/lib/flatpak/appstream just before posting the bug; the new /var/lib/flatpak/appstream has since accumulated to about 1/6 of what it was before (938 MB) 16:35:28 .hi aaradhak 16:35:29 aaradhak: aaradhak 'Aashish Radhakrishnan' 16:35:46 FCOS meeting is in #fedora-meeting-2 16:35:48 oh heh, ty! 16:36:29 okay, i'm +1 to a prioritized bug. any objections? 16:38:14 #agreed BZ 2032528 is accepted as a Prioritized Bug 16:38:31 ack 16:38:33 #topic USB Controller doesn't reconize the connected device(s) 16:38:33 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2032895 16:39:45 no opinion 16:39:58 sounds bad for the user, but does not appear as if it affects many of them 16:40:31 Looks like the appropriate people are already aware and responded in the bug, and the reporter says they don't have any more ability to help troubleshoot 16:40:41 yeah, i'm inclined to reject and say "re-propose if it's widespread" 16:41:12 afreed 16:41:17 *agreed 16:41:24 proposed #agreed BZ 2032895 is rejected as a Prioritized Bug. It does not appear to be widespread and the maintainers are actively involved. 16:41:36 ack 16:42:23 +1 16:43:17 #agreed BZ 2032895 is rejected as a Prioritized Bug. It does not appear to be widespread and the maintainers are actively involved. 16:43:27 #topic "fedpkg lint" dies with rpmlint-2.0.0: rpmlint: error: unrecognized arguments: -f 16:43:27 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1967821 16:44:02 this is moving somewhere already 16:44:24 I would not mark it priortiized thou 16:44:34 an easy workaround exists: use rpmlint directly 16:44:59 this seems annoying for packagers and since a fix is already in the works, it's a good way to pad the stats :-) 16:45:27 * mhroncok notes to nominate some almost fixed bugs to make bcotton happy 16:45:37 :D 16:45:40 that's a reasonable argument, too 16:45:49 mattdm: thoughts? 16:45:58 LOL 16:46:06 I think it actually is fixed already? 16:46:11 mhroncok++ 16:46:11 bcotton: Karma for churchyard changed to 2 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:46:57 the upstream PR is pending 16:47:42 but if mattdm doesn't feel strongly about accepting it, i can get behind rejecting because there's an easy workaround in place 16:47:46 and a fix pending 16:49:21 I am ambivalent. It does seem like stats padding :) 16:49:32 (at the time this was proposed, there was no response, so it made sense) 16:49:40 now it's moot 16:50:04 proposed #agreed BZ 1967821 is rejected as a Prioritized Bug as there's an easy workaround and a pending fix 16:50:30 +1 16:51:07 #agreed BZ 1967821 is rejected as a Prioritized Bug as there's an easy workaround and a pending fix 16:51:22 hooray, that's the end of the line! 16:51:27 #topic Accepted bugs 16:51:27 #info 0 accepted bugs 16:51:27 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__open__&f1=flagtypes.name&f2=OP&list_id=10871665&o1=substring&query_format=advanced&v1=fedora_prioritized_bug%2B 16:51:33 #topic Next meeting 16:51:33 #info We will meet again on 26 January at 1600 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 16:51:42 anything else before we close out? 16:51:44 or somewhere else 16:52:18 #action bcotton to figure out the FCOS meeting conflict 16:52:22 thanks everyone! 16:52:31 bcotton++ 16:52:31 mattdm: Karma for bcotton changed to 4 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:52:37 bcotton++ 16:52:37 mhroncok: Karma for bcotton changed to 5 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:52:39 mhroncok++ 16:52:42 mattdm: Karma for churchyard changed to 3 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:52:44 mattdm++ 16:52:45 mhroncok: Karma for mattdm changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:52:48 i'll arm-wrestle dusty over it 16:52:50 MarkPearson++ 16:53:12 #endmeeting