16:30:58 <dustymabe> #startmeeting fedora_coreos_meeting
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16:31:02 <dustymabe> #topic roll call
16:31:12 <dustymabe> .hi
16:31:13 <zodbot> dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' <dusty@dustymabe.com>
16:31:16 <mnguyen> .hello mnguyen
16:31:17 <zodbot> mnguyen: mnguyen 'Michael Nguyen' <mnguyen@redhat.com>
16:31:45 <jlebon> .hello2
16:31:46 <zodbot> jlebon: jlebon 'None' <jonathan@jlebon.com>
16:31:54 <skunkerk> .hello sohank2602
16:31:55 <zodbot> skunkerk: sohank2602 'Sohan Kunkerkar' <skunkerk@redhat.com>
16:32:00 <bgilbert> .hi
16:32:01 <zodbot> bgilbert: bgilbert 'Benjamin Gilbert' <bgilbert@backtick.net>
16:32:41 <miabbott_> .hello miabbott
16:32:42 <zodbot> miabbott_: miabbott 'Micah Abbott' <miabbott@redhat.com>
16:33:37 <dustymabe> #chair mnguyen jlebon skunkerk bgilbert miabbott
16:33:37 <zodbot> Current chairs: bgilbert dustymabe jlebon miabbott mnguyen skunkerk
16:33:43 <walters> .hello2
16:33:44 <zodbot> walters: walters 'Colin Walters' <walters@redhat.com>
16:34:01 <travier> .hello siosm
16:34:03 <zodbot> travier: siosm 'Timothée Ravier' <travier@redhat.com>
16:34:14 <dustymabe> #chair walters travier
16:34:14 <zodbot> Current chairs: bgilbert dustymabe jlebon miabbott mnguyen skunkerk travier walters
16:35:11 <dustymabe> welcome all - thanks for coming!
16:35:23 <dustymabe> in general - if there's a topic you want to discuss let's get a meeting label added to it!
16:35:32 <dustymabe> next up - action items
16:35:33 <dustymabe> #topic Action items from last meeting
16:35:41 <dustymabe> * jlebon bgilbert travier to discuss potential solutions for #392 and update the ticket and present the outcome at a future meeting.
16:36:08 <dustymabe> #link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/392
16:36:32 <dustymabe> not looking for the full preso, just an update on the action
16:37:12 <jlebon> yes, we met earlier this week
16:37:40 <lorbus> .hi
16:37:41 <zodbot> lorbus: lorbus 'Christian Glombek' <cglombek@redhat.com>
16:37:43 <jlebon> given that systemd is looking like it might after all go ahead with the preset patch, this may no longer be as pressing
16:38:12 <jlebon> that said, we do want this fixed for RHCOS also, where it'd take time for the systemd patch to make it
16:38:21 <dustymabe> jlebon: cool - so does this shift into trying to facilitate that change into Fedora?
16:38:38 <jlebon> so we're looking at having Ignition still delete the enablement symlink for disabled services
16:38:57 <ravanelli> .hi
16:39:00 <zodbot> ravanelli: ravanelli 'Renata Ravanelli' <renata.ravanelli@gmail.com>
16:39:01 <jlebon> and worth noting that Ignition will anyway have to do some enablement symlink handling for the user-scoped user systemd units anyway
16:39:03 <dustymabe> #chair lorbus
16:39:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: bgilbert dustymabe jlebon lorbus miabbott mnguyen skunkerk travier walters
16:39:06 <dustymabe> #chair ravanelli
16:39:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: bgilbert dustymabe jlebon lorbus miabbott mnguyen ravanelli skunkerk travier walters
16:39:54 <jlebon> dustymabe: it shifts towards doing the tactical fix in Ignition, but yeah if there's a way for us to help with the Fedora change we can do that too
16:40:15 <bgilbert> fully switching away from presets is a large change with some consequences for generated units
16:40:15 <dustymabe> jlebon: +1 - would you mind giving an update in the ticket?
16:40:26 <bgilbert> so there was a consensus that we don't want to take on the full change now
16:40:38 <jlebon> dustymabe: sure, will do
16:40:47 <bgilbert> in favor of more targeted fixes
16:41:12 <dustymabe> bgilbert: i.e. the upstream potential "big change" might also not be perfect?
16:41:37 <bgilbert> there are corner cases that make things messy.  right now it's possible to enable a unit that doesn't exist yet, but will exist after generators run
16:42:01 <travier> wrote https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/392#issuecomment-1087656257 earlier as a short update on the ticket
16:42:25 <bgilbert> if we just created symlinks directly in Ignition, we'd lose that functionality.  and supporting both requires a messy hybrid model and/or config options
16:42:53 <dustymabe> might be good to write down the different cases and proposed short term and long term solution
16:43:12 <dustymabe> i.e. in documentation or a ticket somewhere
16:43:37 <dustymabe> anyone able to boil down some of this into an #info (obviously jlebon is going to do a more comprehensive update in the ticket itself)
16:44:32 <jlebon> #info we will pursue a tactical fix in Ignition for the short-term while keeping an eye on the systemd change and exploring broader changes in Ignition
16:44:40 <dustymabe> +100
16:44:42 <dustymabe> thanks
16:44:54 <dustymabe> #topic F36: Fedora CoreOS Test Week
16:45:01 <dustymabe> #link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1123
16:45:10 <dustymabe> welcome to test week everyone :)
16:45:31 <dustymabe> we have some test results already
16:45:39 <dustymabe> #link https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/131
16:45:47 <dustymabe> but some missing coverage too
16:46:27 <dustymabe> we started a hackmd yesterday to try to divide up some tasks
16:46:31 <dustymabe> https://hackmd.io/VP65or6ZSwmOwErt7e7JnQ
16:46:58 <dustymabe> feel free to grab something that hasn't been started working on yet
16:48:35 * dustymabe notes the Virtualbox artifact will be added soon and the virtualbox docs will change
16:48:39 <dustymabe> https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-docs/pull/377/files
16:48:58 <dustymabe> anything on this topic before we move on to the next one?
16:49:32 <jlebon> cool to see results coming in already!
16:50:02 <dustymabe> maybe we should make jdoss do the DigitalOcean test :)
16:50:09 <dustymabe> next topic...
16:50:15 <dustymabe> #topic tracker: This Month in Fedora CoreOS March 2022 community
16:50:20 <dustymabe> #link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1117
16:51:01 <dustymabe> Anything new we should add to our list of happenings for March?
16:51:05 <dustymabe> nem
16:51:14 <jlebon> dustymabe: hmm shouldn't test day be in the one for April?
16:51:26 <dustymabe> jlebon: oh man - it's april already!
16:51:31 <dustymabe> jlebon: indeed
16:51:32 <jlebon> :)
16:52:00 <dustymabe> yep those last two comments should be for april
16:52:05 <jlebon> next f36 rebase is a good one
16:52:45 <dustymabe> jlebon: +1
16:53:32 <dustymabe> azure testing was added - but that also april I think
16:53:46 <jlebon> should we mention that we've started working on release notes?
16:53:56 <jlebon> or just hold it until we actually roll it out
16:53:58 <dustymabe> ehh, I don't think so
16:54:00 <dustymabe> yeah
16:54:05 <jlebon> k
16:54:16 <jdoss> I can do the DO test.
16:54:23 <dustymabe> jdoss: +1
16:54:32 <dustymabe> jdoss: if the docs need fixups let us know
16:54:38 <dustymabe> might be some cobwebs in there
16:55:00 <dustymabe> #topic open floor
16:55:09 <jdoss> I'm in another meeting but what is the test I need to do?
16:55:19 <dustymabe> ok we didn't have many meeting tickets this week
16:55:19 <jdoss> Test Next?
16:55:27 <dustymabe> jdoss: I'll ping you in #fedora-coreos
16:55:36 <jdoss> +1
16:56:14 <dustymabe> any other topics for today
16:56:29 <dustymabe> IIUC devconf.us in boston is going to be in person - should we submit some talks?
16:57:09 <dustymabe> CFP closes April 15
16:58:02 <dustymabe> I think I'll try to submit one generic FCOS talk, but open to something more focused if anyone has ideas
16:59:13 <jlebon> +1 a "what's new in FCOS" would be good
16:59:13 <miabbott> coreos layering demo would be great to show off
16:59:36 <dustymabe> +1
17:00:15 <skunkerk> dustymabe: I would like to participate but not sure about the exact topic
17:00:45 <travier> something similar to what we did last year for Nest would be good
17:00:56 <dustymabe> skunkerk: we can help throw around some ideas.
17:01:04 <dustymabe> travier: yeah
17:01:31 <skunkerk> yeah, that would be helpful
17:01:40 <dustymabe> for devconf.cz we used to always run a "lab" where people could come get their hands dirty.. not sure if devconf.us has similar accomodations, but that's always nice to get some new people some hands on with it
17:01:46 <travier> https://siosm.fedorapeople.org/What_s_new_and_what_s_next_in_Fedora_CoreOS_-_Nest_with_Fedora_2021.pdf
17:02:15 <dustymabe> +1
17:02:37 <dustymabe> ok I'll open a ticket for this where we can collect our ideas and proposals
17:02:44 <travier> I can share the original slides from the last time for those interested
17:02:52 <skunkerk> +1
17:03:09 <dustymabe> any other topics for open floor?
17:05:25 <dustymabe> #endmeeting