16:30:58 #startmeeting fedora_coreos_meeting 16:30:58 Meeting started Wed Apr 6 16:30:58 2022 UTC. 16:30:58 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:30:58 The chair is dustymabe. 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16:38:38 so we're looking at having Ignition still delete the enablement symlink for disabled services 16:38:57 .hi 16:39:00 ravanelli: ravanelli 'Renata Ravanelli' 16:39:01 and worth noting that Ignition will anyway have to do some enablement symlink handling for the user-scoped user systemd units anyway 16:39:03 #chair lorbus 16:39:03 Current chairs: bgilbert dustymabe jlebon lorbus miabbott mnguyen skunkerk travier walters 16:39:06 #chair ravanelli 16:39:06 Current chairs: bgilbert dustymabe jlebon lorbus miabbott mnguyen ravanelli skunkerk travier walters 16:39:54 dustymabe: it shifts towards doing the tactical fix in Ignition, but yeah if there's a way for us to help with the Fedora change we can do that too 16:40:15 fully switching away from presets is a large change with some consequences for generated units 16:40:15 jlebon: +1 - would you mind giving an update in the ticket? 16:40:26 so there was a consensus that we don't want to take on the full change now 16:40:38 dustymabe: sure, will do 16:40:47 in favor of more targeted fixes 16:41:12 bgilbert: i.e. the upstream potential "big change" might also not be perfect? 16:41:37 there are corner cases that make things messy. right now it's possible to enable a unit that doesn't exist yet, but will exist after generators run 16:42:01 wrote https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/392#issuecomment-1087656257 earlier as a short update on the ticket 16:42:25 if we just created symlinks directly in Ignition, we'd lose that functionality. and supporting both requires a messy hybrid model and/or config options 16:42:53 might be good to write down the different cases and proposed short term and long term solution 16:43:12 i.e. in documentation or a ticket somewhere 16:43:37 anyone able to boil down some of this into an #info (obviously jlebon is going to do a more comprehensive update in the ticket itself) 16:44:32 #info we will pursue a tactical fix in Ignition for the short-term while keeping an eye on the systemd change and exploring broader changes in Ignition 16:44:40 +100 16:44:42 thanks 16:44:54 #topic F36: Fedora CoreOS Test Week 16:45:01 #link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1123 16:45:10 welcome to test week everyone :) 16:45:31 we have some test results already 16:45:39 #link https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/131 16:45:47 but some missing coverage too 16:46:27 we started a hackmd yesterday to try to divide up some tasks 16:46:31 https://hackmd.io/VP65or6ZSwmOwErt7e7JnQ 16:46:58 feel free to grab something that hasn't been started working on yet 16:48:35 * dustymabe notes the Virtualbox artifact will be added soon and the virtualbox docs will change 16:48:39 https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-docs/pull/377/files 16:48:58 anything on this topic before we move on to the next one? 16:49:32 cool to see results coming in already! 16:50:02 maybe we should make jdoss do the DigitalOcean test :) 16:50:09 next topic... 16:50:15 #topic tracker: This Month in Fedora CoreOS March 2022 community 16:50:20 #link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1117 16:51:01 Anything new we should add to our list of happenings for March? 16:51:05 nem 16:51:14 dustymabe: hmm shouldn't test day be in the one for April? 16:51:26 jlebon: oh man - it's april already! 16:51:31 jlebon: indeed 16:51:32 :) 16:52:00 yep those last two comments should be for april 16:52:05 next f36 rebase is a good one 16:52:45 jlebon: +1 16:53:32 azure testing was added - but that also april I think 16:53:46 should we mention that we've started working on release notes? 16:53:56 or just hold it until we actually roll it out 16:53:58 ehh, I don't think so 16:54:00 yeah 16:54:05 k 16:54:16 I can do the DO test. 16:54:23 jdoss: +1 16:54:32 jdoss: if the docs need fixups let us know 16:54:38 might be some cobwebs in there 16:55:00 #topic open floor 16:55:09 I'm in another meeting but what is the test I need to do? 16:55:19 ok we didn't have many meeting tickets this week 16:55:19 Test Next? 16:55:27 jdoss: I'll ping you in #fedora-coreos 16:55:36 +1 16:56:14 any other topics for today 16:56:29 IIUC devconf.us in boston is going to be in person - should we submit some talks? 16:57:09 CFP closes April 15 16:58:02 I think I'll try to submit one generic FCOS talk, but open to something more focused if anyone has ideas 16:59:13 +1 a "what's new in FCOS" would be good 16:59:13 coreos layering demo would be great to show off 16:59:36 +1 17:00:15 dustymabe: I would like to participate but not sure about the exact topic 17:00:45 something similar to what we did last year for Nest would be good 17:00:56 skunkerk: we can help throw around some ideas. 17:01:04 travier: yeah 17:01:31 yeah, that would be helpful 17:01:40 for devconf.cz we used to always run a "lab" where people could come get their hands dirty.. not sure if devconf.us has similar accomodations, but that's always nice to get some new people some hands on with it 17:01:46 https://siosm.fedorapeople.org/What_s_new_and_what_s_next_in_Fedora_CoreOS_-_Nest_with_Fedora_2021.pdf 17:02:15 +1 17:02:37 ok I'll open a ticket for this where we can collect our ideas and proposals 17:02:44 I can share the original slides from the last time for those interested 17:02:52 +1 17:03:09 any other topics for open floor? 17:05:25 #endmeeting