20:01:35 <bcotton> #startmeeting FPgM office hours
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20:01:36 <bcotton> #info This is an open floor meeting to discuss anything program management related (elections, changes, schedule, etc)
20:01:36 <bcotton> #chair bcotton grahamwhiteuk dtometzki glb pawelzelawski q5sys siddharthvipul x3mboy
20:01:36 <zodbot> Current chairs: bcotton dtometzki glb grahamwhiteuk pawelzelawski q5sys siddharthvipul x3mboy
20:01:36 <bcotton> #topic Announcements
20:02:02 <bcotton> alas. the bridge
20:02:15 <bcotton> #chair bcotton_
20:02:15 <zodbot> Current chairs: bcotton bcotton_ dtometzki glb grahamwhiteuk pawelzelawski q5sys siddharthvipul x3mboy
20:02:18 <bcotton_> #info F36 Final freeze is underway
20:02:19 <bcotton_> #info Current F36 Final target is the early target date (2022-04-19)
20:02:21 <bcotton_> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-36/f-36-key-tasks.html
20:02:22 <bcotton_> #info The F36 Final Go/No-Go meeting is next Thursday: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org/meeting/10237/
20:02:43 <bcotton_> #help Kernel 5.17 Test Week is this week: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2022-04-03_Kernel_5.17_Test_Week
20:02:45 <bcotton_> #help Fedora CoreOS Test Week is this week
20:02:46 <bcotton_> #help Fedora IoT Test Day is today
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20:03:11 <bcotton_> #info The F36 Release Party will be 13–14 May: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/youre-invited-to-the-fedora-linux-36-release-party/
20:03:19 <bcotton_> #info Bodhi 6.0 will bring incompatible changes after the F36 release: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/AT2H4MRGIEC7N6VMUEZRXN7BAA7SGSSR/
20:03:25 <bcotton_> #info The Fedora Social Hour is tomorrow: https://matrix.to/#/#social:fedoraproject.org?web-instance[element.io]=chat.fedoraproject.org
20:03:35 <bcotton_> #info If your team wants support from the Fedora Program Management Team, file an issue: https://pagure.io/fedora-pgm/pgm_team/new_issue?template=support_request
20:03:37 <bcotton_> #topic Open floor to discuss anything program management related (elections, changes, schedule, etc)
20:12:55 <Sobek4> there are 85 s of black screen in "Pagure training" starting: https://youtu.be/k08hbkMhiGU?t=715
20:14:26 <Sobek4> the video is linked at https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/program_management/pgm_team/repo/
20:15:59 <Sobek4> where should I file a bug report for that?
20:18:50 * Sobek4 test
20:20:30 <bcotton_> Sobek4: weird. can you file an issue against the repo linked in the top of the doc you shared
20:20:38 <bcotton_> i'll have to see if i still have the source video files
20:20:58 <Sobek4> sure, will do
20:21:40 <bcotton_> "127 views" apparently none of those people thought it was 11 minutes worth of interesting :-)
20:22:15 <Sobek4> considering the size of the team it is a lot :)
20:24:50 <bcotton_> yay, i archived the sources. now to see if it's easily fixed
20:25:39 <bcotton_> oh
20:26:11 <bcotton_> yep, i just left an ~85 second gap in it while editing
20:27:54 <bcotton_> Sobek4++
20:28:17 <bcotton_> okay, i have a new version rendering now. i'll get it up on the youtube channel today or tomorrow
20:34:50 <Sobek4> my notes hinted at the wrong page; correct location: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/program_management/pgm_team/resources/
20:35:04 <Sobek4> bug report: https://pagure.io/fedora-pgm/pgm_team/issue/33
20:35:10 <bcotton_> Sobek4: thanks!
20:35:15 <Sobek4> you are welcome
20:35:48 <Sobek4> if you happen to be able to delete https://pagure.io/fedora-pgm/pgm_team/issue/34 , please do it
20:36:07 <Sobek4> you are fixing it faster than I can submit the bug report :)
20:36:25 <bcotton_> it's one of my super powers
20:36:36 <bcotton_> i may also be trying to avoid doing other work that is less interesting :-)
20:37:01 * Sobek4 giggles
20:37:51 <Sobek4> different issue: I am reading through the docs and at https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/program_management/pgm_guide/schedule/ I see links to https://pp.engineering.redhat.com ; it does not load for me; is it obsolete or Red Hat internal-only access?
20:38:26 <bcotton_> it's Red-Hat only
20:38:56 <bcotton_> or Red Hat-only, if you prefer to have your hyphens in the right place
20:39:39 <Sobek4> ok, I will add a comment to my pull request (fixing spelling mistakes and links)
20:40:39 <Sobek4> I am not a native english speaker, I trust your spelling
20:42:47 <Sobek4> is https://engineering.redhat.com/rt/index.html Red Hat-only too?
20:43:17 <misc> yeah, and likely obsolete
20:44:51 <bcotton_> yeah, it's decomissioned. if you can file an issue for where you found it, i'll look at how i should update it
20:45:07 <Sobek4> ok
20:53:54 <Sobek4> bug report: https://pagure.io/fedora-pgm/pgm_docs/issue/18
20:55:53 <Sobek4> another one from my notes: at https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/program_management/pgm_guide/schedule/ it reads "Find and replace N-3 with N-1" should this not be "replace N-2 with N-1"?
20:56:59 <bcotton_> hm, yes, probably
20:57:19 <Sobek4> ok, will include in my pull request
20:57:27 <bcotton_> although I now have a smarter way to do it that I haven't yet documented, so I should fix that at some point :-)
20:58:16 <Sobek4> nice :)
20:59:06 <Sobek4> another one: at https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/program_management/changes_guide/  the line separation handling of "REQUIRED FOR SYSTEM" is 6x without and 1x with line separation ; convert the single?
20:59:45 <bcotton_> Sobek4: i'm not sure what you mean
21:00:20 <Sobek4> compare https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/program_management/changes_guide/#_dependencies and  section below
21:00:54 <bcotton_> oh, yeah, i see now
21:01:02 <Sobek4> remove the line break at https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/program_management/changes_guide/#_contingency_plan  after REQUIRED FOR SYSTEM"
21:01:03 <bcotton_> sure, converting the single is fine
21:01:43 <Sobek4> thanks, will include it in pull request
21:02:21 <bcotton_> awesome
21:02:26 <bcotton_> thanks so much for the cleanup :-)
21:02:35 <Sobek4> also at https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/program_management/changes_guide/ in the code is a hidden sentence starting with "In the future"
21:02:45 <bcotton_> but for now, i have to go pick up my daughter from school
21:02:47 <bcotton_> #endmeeting