14:00:45 <bcotton> #startmeeting Prioritized bugs and issues 14:00:45 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jun 15 14:00:45 2022 UTC. 14:00:45 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 14:00:45 <zodbot> The chair is bcotton. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 14:00:45 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:45 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'prioritized_bugs_and_issues' 14:00:50 <bcotton> #meetingname Fedora Prioritized bugs and issues 14:00:50 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_prioritized_bugs_and_issues' 14:01:02 <bcotton> #topic Purpose of this meeting 14:01:02 <bcotton> #info The purpose of this process is to help with processing backlog of bugs and issues found during the development, verification and use of Fedora distribution. 14:01:02 <bcotton> #info The main goal is to raise visibility of bugs and issues to help contributors focus on the most important issues. 14:01:02 <bcotton> #link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/program_management/prioritized_bugs/#_process_description 14:01:06 <bcotton> #topic Roll Call 14:01:12 <bcotton> who's here to prioritize some bugs? 14:01:24 <mattdm> I am here to chew gum 14:01:28 <mattdm> and prioritized bugs 14:01:32 <mattdm> and I am all out of one of those things 14:01:35 <mattdm> but I forget which 14:01:39 <bcotton> :-) 14:02:52 <bcotton> i think the other regulars have all indicated that they can't make it today, so let's get started 14:02:58 <bcotton> #topic Common Bugs review 14:02:58 <mattdm> ok 14:02:58 <bcotton> #info Let's start with a check of the Common Bugs pages for supported releases and see if any should be nominated as Prioritized Bugs 14:02:58 <bcotton> #link https://ask.fedoraproject.org/c/common-issues/141/none/l/latest?order=votes 14:04:03 <mattdm> I don't see anything, but I'm excited to test the workarounds for video acceleration in firefox 14:04:04 <bcotton> most of these look like they haven't been commented on in a while, so probably not good candidates 14:04:11 <mattdm> that might make hopin not burn up my computer 14:05:59 <bcotton> where would be the fun in that? 14:06:16 <bcotton> #topic Nominated bugs 14:06:16 <bcotton> #info 2 nominated bugs 14:06:16 <bcotton> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__open__&f1=flagtypes.name&f2=OP&list_id=10871664&o1=substring&query_format=advanced&v1=fedora_prioritized_bug%3F 14:06:29 <bcotton> #topic Connecting/disconnecting an external monitor or VM resizing switches GNOME to the login screen 14:06:29 <bcotton> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2071394 14:07:01 <bcotton> #info This bug was previously nominated but closed before we could evaluate it. It has since been reopened 14:07:50 <mattdm> Let me look at rawhide real quick... 14:09:21 <mattdm> Hmmm, yeah, looks like f36 is ahead of rawhide by two fixes. 14:09:24 <bcotton> looks like rawhide doesn't have the fix 14:09:29 <mattdm> yeah exactly 14:10:30 <mattdm> I wonder if the expectation is "fix on branch + upstream, it'll get into rawhide eventually"? 14:10:56 <bcotton> i'm not particularly sold on this as a prioritized bug considering how little the BZ and Ask post seemed to draw 14:11:30 <mattdm> I do want to make sure the fix isn't lost.... 14:11:44 <bcotton> FWIW the upstream bug report is still open 14:11:53 <bcotton> bug the fix is merged upstream 14:12:16 <bcotton> #info Our local fix that works for F36 is merged upstream 14:12:16 <bcotton> #link https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gdm/-/merge_requests/175 14:13:44 <mattdm> That should resolve it. It would be nice to have these things fixed in rawhide too ... it's kind of a packager workflow thing though 14:13:51 <bcotton> yeah 14:14:11 <bcotton> i guess we can accept this as a prioritized bug just to make sure the update is put into rawhide 14:14:21 <mattdm> Yeah I'll buy that. 14:14:23 <bcotton> but when gnome 43 is released, that should fix it anyway 14:14:28 <mattdm> For, like, 3¢ 14:14:32 <mattdm> exactly, yeah. 14:14:49 <mattdm> I might take my 3¢ back. 14:15:14 <mattdm> Reject as prioritize bug because there's no real action to take -- we are confident that the fix will land for f37 14:15:25 <mattdm> And rawhide is important but it isn't the job of this process to keep rawhide working 14:15:36 <bcotton> works for me 14:15:58 <bcotton> proposed #agreed 2071394 is rejected as a prioritized bug. The fix is committed upstream and we are confident this will land before the F37 release. 14:16:13 <bcotton> and it's an annoying bug, not a breaks-usability bug 14:16:44 <bcotton> i'd be more likely to accept it if it make rawhide harder to use (but even then, rawhide isn't super important for this process, as you said) 14:16:44 <mattdm> Policies for rawhide are a fesco issue and I don't think the guidance is definitive here 14:17:44 <mattdm> ok next :) 14:17:57 <bcotton> #agreed 2071394 is rejected as a prioritized bug. The fix is committed upstream and we are confident this will land before the F37 release. 14:18:15 <bcotton> #topic Get rid of multiple source path definitions 14:18:16 <bcotton> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2079833 14:20:57 <bcotton> so even though this one also affects rawhide, it seems more prioritize-y than the previous 14:21:47 <bcotton> seems like the answer (for now at least) is to update the cmake package in rawhide. there may be a time bomb waiting for us after that, but it's at least a start 14:22:47 <mattdm> Huh. Seems like maybe this should be reverted and made a system-wide change 14:24:15 <mattdm> Since I was just looking at the rawhide policy, dropping that here... 14:24:21 <bcotton> i don't love the idea of reverting it just because we don't have particularly good methods for that 14:24:21 <mattdm> #link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fesco/Updates_Policy/#_rawhide 14:25:21 <bcotton> but at least "update with the bugfix and then submit a change proposal" is a good approach 14:25:23 <mattdm> Particularly: [maintainers MUST] not push any known broken builds (breaks the default buildroot package set, etc.). This causes additional work for other maintainers trying to integrate their changes. 14:26:27 <bcotton> so how about this... 14:26:55 <mattdm> oh yeah I see further in the bug that cmake reverted the change 14:27:34 <bcotton> proposed #agreed 2079833 is accepted as a prioritized bug due to the impact on package maintainers. The cmake maintainers should update with the upstream package and submit a System-Wide Change proposal for this and future updates 14:27:48 <mattdm> hold on, amend 14:27:57 <bcotton> and then if it's not addressed, we can refer it to FESCo for action on the updates policy 14:29:30 <mattdm> proposed #agreed 2079833 is accepted as a prioritized bug due to the impact on package maintainers. The cmake maintainers should update with the upstream package and submit a System-Wide Change proposal for any future release where Cmake might re-implement this change or any similar change that might require coordination with other packagers (as outlined in the Rawhide updates policy) 14:29:46 <mattdm> except be consistent with capitalizing or not cmake 14:29:54 <bcotton> not sure that fits on one line, but good enough for me 14:30:04 <mattdm> How long is a line? :) 14:30:14 <bcotton> no idea 14:31:08 <bcotton> #agreed 2079833 is accepted as a prioritized bug due to the impact on package maintainers. cmake maintainers should update with the upstream package and submit a System-Wide Change proposal for future releases where upstream re-implements this or similar change that require coordination with other packagers (as outlined in the Rawhide updates policy) 14:31:30 <bcotton> i edited it down a bit. if it doesn't fit entirely, it'll still be recorded in the bz so that's what really matters 14:32:02 <mattdm> is it meetbot line length we are concerned with? 14:32:08 <bcotton> yessir 14:33:06 <mattdm> ah. 14:34:15 <mattdm> #info 123456789A123456789B123456789C123456789D123456789E123456789F123456789G123456789H123456789I123456789J123456789K123456789L123456789M123456789N123456789O123456789P123456789Q123456789R123456789S123456789T123456789U123456789V123456789W123456789X123456789Y123456789Z 14:34:30 <mattdm> maybe that's not long enough 14:34:40 <bcotton> we can play with it later 14:34:43 <mattdm> finnnneee 14:34:45 <bcotton> #topic Accepted bugs 14:34:45 <bcotton> #info 1 accepted bugs 14:34:45 <bcotton> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__open__&f1=flagtypes.name&f2=OP&list_id=10871665&o1=substring&query_format=advanced&v1=fedora_prioritized_bug%2B 14:35:27 <mattdm> I wish computers didn't have to boot 14:35:31 <mattdm> SOOOO complicated 14:36:50 <bcotton> so it looks like this has been reviewed and is waiting to be signed 14:37:14 <bcotton> so nothing for us to do at the moment, but progress is happening and we don't need to push on anything 14:38:46 <mattdm> So https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1955416#c75 is still the latest update? 14:39:05 <mattdm> I understand this being frustrating for people because "progress is happening" isn't apparent 14:39:32 <bcotton> it is 14:39:50 <bcotton> there's a little more activity in the GH issue 14:40:00 <bcotton> but it's all basically the same 14:42:27 <bcotton> basically, we're waiting for Microsoft to send the signed shim at this point 14:42:41 <bcotton> https://github.com/rhboot/shim-review/issues/241#issuecomment-1155316235 14:44:32 <mattdm> Maybe worth putting that in the bug for people who just scroll to the bottom 14:45:31 <bcotton> #action bcotton to update the BZ with the latest update from the GH issue 14:45:45 <mattdm> thank you ben! 14:45:50 <pjones> it'll be this afternoon 14:46:00 <mattdm> Also I like that Peter Jones' system name is apparently `random`. 14:46:04 <bcotton> pjones: awesome, thanks 14:46:14 <mattdm> This fits nicely with the default hostname discussion on devel list 14:46:17 <pjones> mattdm: my not-test-machines are all hitchhikers characters 14:46:20 <mattdm> pjones++ 14:46:20 <zodbot> mattdm: Karma for pjones changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 14:46:33 <mattdm> pjones: awesome. that's a good scheme. 14:47:17 <bcotton> mine are notable places i've gone storm chasing 14:47:24 <pjones> bcotton: that's perfect for you 14:47:29 <bcotton> pjones: should i just hold off on updating the BZ then? 14:47:46 <pjones> bcotton: gimme an hour? 14:48:11 <bcotton> sounds good :-) 14:48:21 <bcotton> anything else on this bug? 14:48:38 <bcotton> (that i realize i never actually topic'ed and now i'm going to go to program manager hell) 14:49:08 <mattdm> OH NO 14:49:56 <mattdm> #help future matrix-based zodbot should allow "insert" into timeline at arbitrary points in the history 14:50:33 <bcotton> #topic Next meeting 14:50:34 <bcotton> #info We will meet again on 29 June at 1400 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 14:50:58 <bcotton> that's all i have for today. anything else? 14:51:43 <mattdm> That is all. Good job team! 14:51:47 <mattdm> bcotton++ 14:51:47 <zodbot> mattdm: Karma for bcotton changed to 4 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 14:52:02 <bcotton> #endmeeting