16:30:21 <ravanelli> #startmeeting fedora_coreos_meeting
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16:31:07 <apiaseck> .hello c4rt0
16:31:09 <zodbot> apiaseck: c4rt0 'Adam Piasecki' <c4rt0gr4ph3r@gmail.com>
16:31:15 <davdunc[m> .hello davdunc
16:31:16 <zodbot> davdunc[m: davdunc 'David Duncan' <davdunc@amazon.com>
16:31:21 <ravanelli> #chair c4rt0
16:31:21 <zodbot> Current chairs: c4rt0 ravanelli
16:31:23 <jlebon> .hello2
16:31:24 <zodbot> jlebon: jlebon 'None' <jonathan@jlebon.com>
16:31:31 <dustymabe> .hi
16:31:32 <zodbot> dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' <dusty@dustymabe.com>
16:31:49 <ravanelli> #chair davdunc jlebon dustymabe
16:31:49 <zodbot> Current chairs: c4rt0 davdunc dustymabe jlebon ravanelli
16:32:59 <spresti[m]> .hello spresti
16:33:00 <zodbot> spresti[m]: spresti 'Steven Presti' <spresti@redhat.com>
16:33:19 <ravanelli> #chair spresti
16:33:19 <zodbot> Current chairs: c4rt0 davdunc dustymabe jlebon ravanelli spresti
16:34:03 <ravanelli> Ok, let's start
16:34:12 <ravanelli> #topic roll call
16:34:38 <ravanelli> #topic Action items from last meeting
16:34:53 <ravanelli> #info there were no action items from last meeting
16:35:13 <ravanelli> Should we go over Fedora 38 changes considerations?
16:35:18 <jlebon> woohoo!
16:35:36 <dustymabe> ravanelli: +1
16:35:37 <jlebon> ravanelli: sounds good
16:35:46 <ravanelli> #topic tracker: Fedora 38 changes considerations
16:35:54 <ravanelli> #link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1357
16:36:19 <dustymabe> i think we have just a few items left here
16:36:28 <dustymabe> subtopic 127. z13 as the Baseline for IBM Z Hardware
16:36:29 <ravanelli> Where did we stop in the list?
16:36:42 <dustymabe> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/z13BaselineForIBMZ
16:37:37 <ravanelli> dustymabe: Do you have more info about it?
16:37:42 <jlebon> i think we can safely assume there's no immediate work necessary for this one
16:38:07 <dustymabe> ravanelli: not much more than what's in the change proposal
16:38:20 <dustymabe> jlebon: i'm wondering if we need to add any info to https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-coreos/platforms/#_s390x for Z
16:38:32 <dustymabe> or maybe we just leave it be
16:39:27 <ravanelli> Can we ask someone internally to take a look on it? And see what it may take?
16:39:36 <jlebon> dustymabe: good point. maybe? apparently z13 is obsolete so i'd be surprised if it were available in the cloud.
16:39:53 <dustymabe> #info nothing for us to do as this is just gcc and kernel compiler flags, which we'll pick up transparently. Hopefully our users aren't using anything older than z13.
16:40:14 <dustymabe> ravanelli: I don't think there is any work for us to do because we just pick up the RPMs (already compiled)
16:40:22 <jlebon> but yeah, users theoretically could be running FCOS on z13 today
16:40:31 <ravanelli> dustymabe: ok
16:40:37 <dustymabe> z13 == OK
16:40:42 <dustymabe> older than z13, not OK
16:40:44 <dustymabe> :)
16:40:51 <jlebon> oh right, thanks
16:41:06 <dustymabe> subtopic 128. Pcre Deprecation
16:41:15 <dustymabe> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PcreDeprecation
16:41:15 <jlebon> and "zEC12" is what is obsolete
16:42:08 <jlebon> we already inherited this change with pcre dropping out in f38
16:42:37 <jlebon> it's a pure library, no binaries
16:42:39 <dustymabe> this particular change says it's just deprecation, not retirement (which will come later)
16:43:13 <dustymabe> retirement is: Targeted release: Fedora Linux 41
16:43:24 <dustymabe> jlebon, but you say we already dropped out pcre?
16:43:47 <jlebon> https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1435#issuecomment-1458847358
16:43:52 <dustymabe> perfect!
16:44:03 <dustymabe> it was nice to be able to link to that wasn't it :)
16:44:27 <dustymabe> #info the pcre package was removed in f38 from FCOS; nothing further for us to do
16:44:43 <jlebon> i suppose, though PR comments can be linked too :)
16:44:49 <dustymabe> subtopic 129. X Server Prohibits Byte-swapped Clients
16:45:04 <dustymabe> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/XServerProhibitsByteSwappedClients
16:45:34 <jlebon> skiiiiiiiiip
16:46:11 <dustymabe> #info this shouldn't affect us, no X servers in FCOS
16:46:22 <dustymabe> subtopic 130. Unified Kernel Support Phase 1
16:46:30 <dustymabe> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Unified_Kernel_Support_Phase_1
16:47:24 <jlebon> no immediate action needed, but part of a larger discussion around confidential computing
16:47:42 <dustymabe> #info no immediate action needed, but part of a larger discussion around confidential computing
16:48:06 <dustymabe> interesting to read the plans for ppc64le and s390x there
16:48:09 <jlebon> optional RPMs and build tooling certainly would make it easier to play with
16:48:36 <jlebon> "s390x: no plans"
16:49:11 <jlebon> it's going to be even harder to keep track of the differences across arches
16:49:26 <dustymabe> jlebon: isn't that kind of what secex for s390x is trying to achieve, though?
16:50:14 <jlebon> dustymabe: indeed. but in a totally different way. ideally, there's things we can unify on but i'm not sure how feasible that is.
16:50:43 <dustymabe> +1
16:50:52 <dustymabe> ok that's all the changes that were outstanding I think
16:51:50 <jlebon> +1
16:51:54 <ravanelli> Is there anything else we should go through?
16:52:03 <dustymabe> ravanelli: there is one more `meeting` ticket
16:52:56 <ravanelli> dustymabe: which one?
16:53:11 <dustymabe> https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/labels/meeting
16:54:04 <ravanelli> #topic Fedora 38 Test Week
16:54:15 <ravanelli> #link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1440
16:54:59 <dustymabe> this was opened by SumantroMukherje
16:55:16 <dustymabe> I think last cycle jbrooks ran the test day for us (with help from miabbott)
16:55:57 <dustymabe> we're ready for this too, because we have a `next` release that went out yesterday.
16:56:16 <ravanelli> I can try to run it, with some help
16:56:27 <dustymabe> that would be amazing ravanelli!
16:56:33 <jlebon> timeline-wise, are we thinking next week?
16:56:36 <jlebon> ravanelli++
16:56:45 <dustymabe> jlebon: let's look at the f38 schedule
16:57:01 <dustymabe> https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-38/f-38-key-tasks.html
16:57:12 <dustymabe> final freeze starts on April 4th
16:57:38 <dustymabe> so we could wait until say the 28th to run our test day if we wanted
16:58:03 <travier> .hi siosm
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16:58:07 <dustymabe> but next week would be better, though there is work to do to prepare for test day
16:58:09 <travier> .heloo siosm
16:58:11 <travier> .hello siosm
16:58:12 <zodbot> travier: siosm 'Timothée Ravier' <travier@redhat.com>
16:58:24 <ravanelli> #chair siosm
16:58:24 <zodbot> Current chairs: c4rt0 davdunc dustymabe jlebon ravanelli siosm spresti
16:58:29 <ravanelli> dustymabe: +1
16:58:36 <jlebon> if changes are needed in pkgs, we need to give time to maintainers
16:58:45 <dustymabe> so my proposal would be end of next week or early the following week
16:59:21 <jlebon> my vote is for next week
16:59:52 <dustymabe> WFM, but we'll have to get on the checklist in the ticket soon
17:00:09 <ravanelli> #proposed Start our Fedora 38 Test Week next week
17:00:28 <jlebon> dustymabe: end of next week, e.g. thursday or friday?
17:00:51 <dustymabe> ravanelli: let's try to target a day (we can always allow users to submit results anytime during the week, but we want to try to coordinate a critical time when we'll be around)
17:01:16 <dustymabe> jlebon: yeah, thursday or friday (though Friday's aren't great)
17:01:25 <ravanelli> thursday so
17:01:32 <jlebon> +1
17:02:06 <jlebon> hmm, if things need to be ready by monday though (to allow users to go through tests and report results), then it's tight
17:02:40 <dustymabe> it's usually a progression.. we don't have to make it a week
17:02:42 <dustymabe> we can make it a day
17:02:56 <dustymabe> i think we made it a week in the past to try to allow people more time and flexibility
17:03:07 <ravanelli> Monday maybe in this case
17:03:11 <dustymabe> but if our schedule is tight we can target a day
17:03:26 <jlebon> ok cool, that's better
17:03:51 <jlebon> maybe we can meet at some point this week just to go over what needs to get done
17:04:04 <ravanelli> jlebon: +1
17:04:25 <dustymabe> sounds good to me - tomorrow or friday morning?
17:04:48 <ravanelli> dustymabe: I think we said we would go over beaker on Friday
17:05:06 <dustymabe> oh yeah, the maintenance window thing we already scheduled
17:05:08 <dustymabe> good point :)
17:05:35 <ravanelli> tomorrow is
17:05:55 <jlebon> might be afk tmw, but definitely will be able to help with the things output from that meeting
17:06:50 <dustymabe> ravanelli: we'll just leave it up to you :) - use your best judgement (the pre-meeting isn't really super important as long as it happens at some point)
17:07:41 <ravanelli> #proposed We will meet tomorrow (03/16) to discuss the next steps about our Fedora 38 Test Week
17:08:05 <ravanelli> I will some guidance for how to do it, maybe we can also go over it tomorrow
17:08:18 <dustymabe> and.. tentatively the test day will happen on the 23rd (one week later)
17:08:22 <dustymabe> +1
17:08:25 <ravanelli> s/I will/ I will need
17:08:33 <dustymabe> ravanelli++
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17:08:40 <jlebon> +1
17:09:44 <ravanelli> #agreed We will meet tomorrow (03/16) to discuss the next steps about our Fedora 38 Test Week and tentatively the test day will happen on the 23rd (one week later)
17:09:59 <dustymabe> 🎉
17:10:16 <ravanelli> Should we go to Open Floor?
17:10:23 <dustymabe> 👍
17:10:36 <ravanelli> #topic Open Floor
17:11:10 <dustymabe> so... I just hit what may be a (temporary) blocker for us rolling out the f38 update
17:11:26 <dustymabe> i went to pre-upgrade my AWS blog node and it didn't come back
17:11:45 <davdunc[m> :(
17:11:49 <dustymabe> grub complains - secondary boot entry works fine
17:11:57 <davdunc[m> :(
17:12:18 <jlebon> is this one of the known AWS issues?
17:12:20 <dustymabe> in kernel 6.2 they changed the format of the kernel for aarch64
17:12:27 <dustymabe> jlebon: not that I know of
17:12:42 <dustymabe> my node was initially provisioned with `34.20210904.2.0`
17:12:56 <dustymabe> i'm guessing that my bootloader is now too old to boot the new kernel/initrd
17:13:10 <dustymabe> but this does present a problem for automatically updating systems
17:13:22 <dustymabe> either way.. i've got some more investigation to do
17:13:35 <jlebon> ouch
17:13:58 <dustymabe> but... I would expect us to block on this until we at least understand the problem more and give our users some guidance (i.e. maybe have them actually use bootupd)
17:14:31 * dustymabe wonders if adamw has seen anything like this
17:14:40 <jlebon> if you don't have console access to rollback, the node is basically lost, right?
17:14:46 <davdunc[m> that's an interesting case dustymabe
17:14:48 <dustymabe> jlebon: correcto
17:15:04 * dustymabe plans to open an issue soon with more details and the actual error message
17:15:28 <dustymabe> how do I always find the bugs!! 🪲
17:15:29 <jlebon> ok yeah, let's do that. we also really need to beef up our upgrade testing story
17:15:33 <dustymabe> 🐛 🐞
17:15:48 <dustymabe> jlebon: right. this might not be specific to AWS TBH
17:15:54 <dustymabe> if i'm right, it probably isn't
17:16:00 <jlebon> right
17:16:14 * jlebon tries to find the issue he filed related to this
17:16:39 <dustymabe> that's all I had for open floor (sorry to dampen the mood)
17:16:43 <dustymabe> anyone with anything else?
17:17:27 <jlebon> https://github.com/coreos/coreos-assembler/issues/2519
17:18:20 <jlebon> and we really should figure out what's left to do to get bootupd enabled by default
17:19:06 <dustymabe> +1
17:20:46 <jlebon> dustymabe: thanks for doing the f38 rebase release!
17:21:12 <dustymabe> jlebon: np :)
17:21:30 <jlebon> ravanelli: if there's nothing else, I think we can close this meeting :)
17:21:36 <ravanelli> #endmeeting