18:31:43 <darknao> #startmeeting docs 18:31:43 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Mar 22 18:31:43 2023 UTC. 18:31:43 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 18:31:43 <zodbot> The chair is darknao. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 18:31:43 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:31:43 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'docs' 18:31:50 <darknao> #topic Roll call 18:31:52 <darknao> #chair pboy darknao pbokoc py0xc3[m] 18:31:52 <zodbot> Current chairs: darknao pbokoc pboy py0xc3[m] 18:35:10 <darknao> seems like I'm going to be alone :/ 18:39:01 <pboy> .hi 18:39:01 <zodbot> pboy: pboy 'Peter Boy' <pboy@uni-bremen.de> 18:39:27 <darknao> hi pboy 18:39:40 <pboy> Sorry, a bit lat today 18:40:16 <darknao> no problem 18:40:22 <darknao> let's start then 18:40:33 <darknao> #topic Agenda 18:40:39 <darknao> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/docs-meeting-agenda-2023-03-22/79787 18:40:40 <darknao> #info Announcements 18:40:43 <darknao> #info Tickets flagged for meeting 18:40:45 <darknao> #info Global ticket review 18:40:47 <darknao> #info Quick docs update 18:40:49 <darknao> #info Open Floor 18:40:51 <darknao> #topic Announcements 18:40:55 <darknao> #info F38 is planned for next month (2023-04-18) 18:40:58 <darknao> #info We use GitLab to track work: https://gitlab.com/groups/fedora/docs/-/boards 18:41:40 <darknao> #info DST change warning: the meeting is now at 18:30 UTC (1 hour earlier) 18:41:48 <darknao> anything else? 18:42:04 <pboy> nope 18:42:13 <darknao> very well 18:42:19 <darknao> #topic Tickets flagged for meeting 18:42:29 <darknao> There is one item to review 18:42:42 <darknao> #link https://gitlab.com/fedora/docs/community-tools/documentation-contributors-guide/-/merge_requests/73 18:43:14 <pboy> reading .... 18:43:51 <darknao> #link https://fedora.gitlab.io/-/docs/community-tools/documentation-contributors-guide/-/jobs/3978045132/artifacts/public/fedora-docs/contributing-docs/tools-web-ide-ui.html 18:43:54 <darknao> for the preview 18:44:09 <pboy> thanks! (for URL preview) 18:45:14 <darknao> that looks nice 18:45:23 <darknao> +1 to merge 18:45:33 <pboy> Yes, looks weel done. 18:46:12 <pboy> s/weel/well 18:46:27 <pboy> Would you merge it? 18:46:30 <darknao> yer 18:46:32 <darknao> yes* 18:46:55 <darknao> done 18:46:59 <darknao> next topic 18:47:14 <darknao> #topic Global ticket review 18:47:34 <darknao> so, I wanted to do some global ticket review today, as we didn't do that in a long time 18:47:53 <darknao> and we have a few tickets that needs update I think 18:47:59 <pboy> Yes, we urgently have do do this 18:48:29 <darknao> #link https://gitlab.com/groups/fedora/docs/-/issues/?sort=updated_asc&state=opened&first_page_size=20 18:49:12 <darknao> #link https://gitlab.com/fedora/docs/docs-website/pages/-/issues/7 18:49:14 <darknao> first one 18:49:38 <pboy> Yes, the famous release notes 18:49:56 <darknao> we have a few tickets like this, I was wondering if we should close them once it's done, then recreate one for the next release 18:50:07 <darknao> or just rename this one and tag it for F39 18:50:24 <pboy> We should definitely close those that are done.yes 18:51:16 <darknao> alright 18:51:24 <pboy> What is the current status regarding release notes? 18:52:02 <darknao> this one is just about creating the branch, which is done 18:52:05 <darknao> so closing 18:52:22 <pboy> yes, same for the next issue, I think. 18:53:22 <darknao> what guide do we have left here? 18:53:30 <darknao> install guide is gone 18:53:37 <darknao> sysadmin-guide I think 18:53:40 <darknao> and that's it? 18:53:47 <pboy> what about the third, updates? 18:54:02 <darknao> hold on, I'm still on the second one 18:54:11 <darknao> #link https://gitlab.com/fedora/docs/docs-website/pages/-/issues/8 18:54:22 <pboy> OK 18:55:05 <pboy> I think there is nothing to branch, maybe the outdated admin guide, we still didn't fully replace yet. 18:55:22 <hankuoffroad[m]> .hello hankuoffroad 18:55:24 <zodbot> hankuoffroad[m]: hankuoffroad 'None' <allegrovelo@gmail.com> 18:55:37 <pboy> welcome hankuoffroad[m] 18:55:38 <hankuoffroad[m]> sorry, I'm late. 18:55:38 <darknao> hi hankuoffroad[m] 18:55:52 <darknao> pboy: yeah the sysadmin guide is the only one left 18:56:30 <darknao> #link https://gitlab.com/fedora/docs/docs-website/pages/-/issues/9 18:57:01 <darknao> don't know for this one, is there anything to update on this guide for release? 18:57:20 <pboy> I think, that is very specific to editions It is their task. 18:57:41 <pboy> I'm just writing a note for Server 18:58:05 <darknao> note this is for the guide we maintain, not the edition ones 18:58:12 <darknao> so basically, the sysadmin guide 18:58:25 <darknao> just like the previous ticket 18:58:46 <pboy> OK, but we don't maintain the admin guide anymore. But are to replace it. 18:59:09 <darknao> so nothing to update then 18:59:13 <darknao> that's fine for me 18:59:19 <pboy> We have to update our release page, og course. 18:59:29 <pboy> s/og/of 19:00:03 <pboy> But there is not much to update 19:01:02 <darknao> just to be sure, what release page are you reffering to? 19:01:45 <pboy> Our docs "release home page", wait ... 19:02:04 <pboy> #link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/latest/ 19:02:33 <pboy> that one. 19:02:53 <pboy> How will we do the update? (e.g. changing the release number, link to release notes, etc.) 19:04:24 <darknao> I think I've already done the update https://gitlab.com/fedora/docs/fedora-linux-documentation/release-docs-home/-/commits/f38 19:04:29 <darknao> but it's not published yet 19:05:23 <darknao> so this is the next 2 tickets: 19:05:29 <darknao> #link https://gitlab.com/fedora/docs/docs-website/pages/-/issues/10 19:05:39 <darknao> #link https://gitlab.com/fedora/docs/docs-website/pages/-/issues/11 19:06:02 <pboy> Still ad updates: Did you adjust the text? 19:06:02 <darknao> We usually create the pull request for those, then merge them at release day 19:07:21 <pboy> OK, so I would modify the text in my current local repo as usual? 19:07:45 <darknao> yes, just use the new f38 branch 19:08:09 <pboy> OK, I check it later and ask, if I have a question. 19:08:34 <darknao> #link https://gitlab.com/fedora/docs/docs-website/pages/-/issues/12 19:09:01 <darknao> we can keep this one for now, we will create the F39 related tickets after the release 19:09:11 <darknao> no rush for it 19:09:38 <pboy> OK. 19:09:46 <hankuoffroad[m]> sure 19:10:00 <darknao> the next one is a task related to this ticket 19:10:05 <darknao> #link https://gitlab.com/fedora/docs/fedora-linux-documentation/release-docs-home/-/issues/4 19:10:14 <darknao> about the install guide 19:10:39 <pboy> Yes, I'm still in the process. ..... 19:11:14 <pboy> There must exist a ticket about this that is assigned to me 19:11:30 <darknao> yes, this one :) 19:12:08 <darknao> so it's in progress, we can move on the next one 19:12:21 <darknao> #link https://gitlab.com/fedora/docs/docs-website/pages/-/issues/18 19:12:26 <pboy> yes, it's in progress 19:13:10 <pboy> We have to postpone it (18) 19:13:13 <darknao> the linked ticket has been closed, and the associated MR merged 19:13:35 <darknao> is there anything that need to be done here? 19:13:58 <darknao> or close it and reopen if we need to revisit something? 19:14:12 <pboy> yes, I have to write a summary of our discussion 19:14:21 <hankuoffroad[m]> did i close it incorrectly? 19:14:32 <pboy> Maybe, but no problem. 19:15:12 <pboy> Maybe, we close this topic and open a new one when we have something to discuss and to decide 19:15:22 <darknao> fine to me 19:15:24 <pboy> topic = related tickets 19:15:29 <hankuoffroad[m]> darknao: ok 19:15:44 <darknao> why not creating a discussion topic on discourse instead? 19:16:02 <darknao> seems more appropriate than a ticket, right? 19:16:39 <pboy> We did that some tme ago. And I have to write a sumary and 2-3 specific proposals what to decide. 19:17:01 <pboy> Yes, a I open a new thread,when I'm ready 19:17:08 <darknao> ok 19:17:47 <darknao> we have 15 minutes left, so let's move to the other 2 remaining topics for today 19:18:00 <darknao> #topic Quick docs update 19:18:12 <hankuoffroad[m]> darknao: to open issue ticket, we need to raise it on discussion? 19:18:21 <darknao> anything related to QD to discuss? 19:18:42 <pboy> OK, I finally did resume my work on QD and did some PRs, issues, etc 19:18:57 <darknao> hankuoffroad[m]: no need, but this one seems specific about having a discussion, so I'm not sure a ticket is the right place for that 19:19:01 <pboy> I have a minor technical issue 19:19:22 <hankuoffroad[m]> darknao: got iy 19:19:25 <hankuoffroad[m]> it 19:20:00 <darknao> hankuoffroad[m]: you'll have more involvment in a discussion topic than in a gitlab ticket than only a few reads 19:20:45 <darknao> pboy: we are listening :) 19:20:47 <pboy> yes, but at the ende of a discussion you often need a ticket to systematize the outcome. 19:20:58 <pboy> Ad technical: 19:21:06 <pboy> In Quickdoc local authoring & preview (on a Fedora server) the title "Category" shows up, but no category item and no tags. On the published page they do. 19:21:29 <pboy> Is it just my Fedora release, or a systematic issue. And how to fix it? 19:22:22 <darknao> the category systems don't show up on local preview 19:22:22 <pboy> I tested it with a fresh cloned repo. 19:22:45 <pboy> OK, so it is systematic and by design? 19:22:53 <darknao> systematic yes 19:22:58 <pboy> OK. 19:23:16 <darknao> they are requirements that are only in the main docs repo (plugins) 19:23:22 <hankuoffroad[m]> pboy: will do. So far, I got easily absorbed and overwhelmed (or underwhelmed when silent) by discussion. So I like focused and small issue to be tracked...I realize I missed process to discuss, sometimes, 19:23:39 <darknao> and adding that the local preview make it way too complicated than it already is 19:24:17 <pboy> hankuoffroad[m] I just worked all you additions to the various docs. I think, they are great. 19:24:37 <pboy> Maybe I have some suggestions, in the next week or so. 19:24:58 <pboy> s/worked/followed/ 19:25:24 <hankuoffroad[m]> pboy: thanks. 19:25:29 <darknao> 5 min left, do you have anything for open floor, or should we stay in QD topic? 19:25:45 <pboy> nothing open floor from mw 19:26:30 <hankuoffroad[m]> not really. I'm off for holiday with my family 27 - 31 March. Will slow down for a bit. 19:26:55 <darknao> have a nice holiday hankuoffroad[m] :) 19:27:07 <pboy> Regarding QD: we have 2 rather compless problems / issue, the local authoring description and eben more complex all that installing software. 19:27:55 <pboy> We should put them a bit back for the moment, until we resolved all or at least most of the nitpics 19:29:48 <darknao> ok 19:30:22 <darknao> we reach the end of the meeting, but we can discuss about that next time if needed 19:30:41 <hankuoffroad[m]> sure, thank to all. 19:30:51 <darknao> thanks everyone for today, and see you all next time 19:30:57 <darknao> #endmeeting