#fedora-meeting-1 log

15:01:28 <davdunc[m> #startmeeting fedora_cloud_meeting
15:01:29 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Apr 13 15:01:28 2023 UTC.
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15:01:37 <davdunc[m> yaya!
15:01:46 <davdunc[m> #topic roll call
15:01:47 <davdunc[m> !
15:01:56 <mhayden> .hello2
15:01:57 <zodbot> mhayden: mhayden 'Major Hayden' <mhayden@redhat.com>
15:02:08 <davdunc[m> did I do that right?
15:02:09 <miyunari[m]> 👋 Hi all 🙂
15:02:28 <davdunc[m> #chair  miyunari
15:02:28 <zodbot> Current chairs: davdunc[m miyunari
15:02:33 <davdunc[m> #chair mhayden
15:02:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: davdunc[m mhayden miyunari
15:02:34 <mhayden> Felix Felix[m]123 and Nina miyunari[m] from my team are here today 👋
15:02:38 <dduffey> .here
15:02:58 <davdunc[m> #chair dduffey Felix
15:02:58 <zodbot> Current chairs: Felix davdunc[m dduffey mhayden miyunari
15:03:21 <davdunc[m> welcome Nina and Felix!
15:03:33 <davdunc[m> dduffey: can you ping themayor ?
15:03:42 <dduffey> yes
15:03:48 <davdunc[m> ty
15:04:05 <mhayden> davdunc[m: i think felix will miss this one, actually 🥲
15:04:27 <davdunc[m> well, Felix is still on the chair.
15:04:33 <davdunc[m> :)
15:04:46 <dduffey> davdunc[m, themayor is out today
15:04:53 <davdunc[m> dduffey: ack.
15:05:20 <davdunc[m> #topic action items from last meeting
15:05:45 <davdunc[m> that isn't changing the topic is it?
15:05:51 <spotz_> o/
15:06:04 <mhayden> davdunc[m: i'm on IRC and i see the topic changed
15:06:15 <nzwulfin> same
15:06:32 <davdunc[m> oh good!
15:07:01 <davdunc[m> I'll open up irc so I can see it too.
15:07:10 * mhayden has not entered the matrix yet 💊
15:07:24 <davdunc[m> so I am going to open with the azure agent.
15:07:29 <spotz_> I'm there but IRCing today:)
15:07:42 <davdunc[m> #chair spotz_
15:07:43 <zodbot> Current chairs: Felix davdunc[m dduffey mhayden miyunari spotz_
15:07:59 <davdunc[m> spotz_: you are the irc champion.
15:08:00 * nzwulfin barely remebers hexchat
15:08:01 <davdunc[m> :)
15:08:42 <davdunc[m> we have a patch to support the work in the agent RPM for the council requirement to be environment aware
15:08:53 <davdunc[m> we just need to add the image to the build.
15:09:09 <mhayden> right, i was looking for that pagure issue for context
15:09:36 <davdunc[m> I have it on my action items to add it to fedimg rebuild, but, and this is going to be familiar, I just keep running out of time to work on it.
15:10:12 <davdunc[m> so I am going to just throw it out there that if you have time, I need assistance.
15:10:19 <mhayden> is it mainly just a pull request to the image build manifest and then an image test after that?
15:10:25 <dduffey> I just learned that Red Hat provides an Azure RHEL image builder (but is behind RHN account)
15:10:36 <davdunc[m> mhayden: yes.
15:10:57 <dduffey> cpatterson is also out of the office today
15:10:57 <davdunc[m> dduffey: we know about it, but it doesn't support btrfs.
15:11:36 <davdunc[m> so we can't build the image with a shrinkable root volume.
15:12:01 <davdunc[m> cpatterson++
15:12:09 <davdunc[m> for doing the heavy lifting on the patch.
15:12:52 <mhayden> i assume we just need to add the walagent package to the cloud kickstarts then? nothing else special outside of that (other than uploading/testing)
15:13:05 <davdunc[m> mhayden - yes.
15:13:28 <davdunc[m> so if you can get that rolled in, that would be ideal.
15:13:31 <mhayden> davdunc[m: i think my team and i could have a looksee at that
15:13:44 <davdunc[m> mhayden: I will dance at your wedding.
15:13:50 <spotz_> hehehe
15:14:09 <mhayden> #action mhayden and team to look at getting walagent into the Fedora cloud kickstart
15:14:15 <mhayden> #link Fedora kickstarts repository: https://pagure.io/fedora-kickstarts/tree/main
15:14:26 <davdunc[m> mhayden thanks.
15:14:43 <mhayden> i'll need to ask someone how to run a build again from there -- it's been a while
15:14:43 <davdunc[m> okay. I am going to call that good.
15:14:53 <mhayden> if anyone has a link to docs for that, i'd be grateful
15:15:17 <davdunc[m> Conan Kudo: can tell you. After integrating kiwi with the CentOS Hyperscale work, he can speak volumes to it.
15:15:34 <mhayden> sweet 👏
15:15:41 <davdunc[m> #topic Change Proposals
15:16:18 <davdunc[m> we have three change proposals out for the AMIs.
15:16:33 <davdunc[m> one is support for the new uefi-preferred configuration.
15:17:02 * davdunc[m looks up the link.
15:18:00 <davdunc[m> I can't find it.
15:18:10 <davdunc[m> I'll add it after the fact in the followup email.
15:18:11 <mhayden> hah, i was looking, too. 🥲
15:18:23 <davdunc[m> it’s tested and it works when the images are booted UEFI.
15:18:56 <mhayden> well that's a plus
15:18:58 <davdunc[m> this change will boot uefi on all the instance types that will support it and then fall back to classic boot on the ones that don't.
15:19:22 <davdunc[m> we already did the work to support it in F35 F36
15:19:37 <mhayden> sounds like a plan -- has the proposal gone through FESCo yet?
15:19:39 <davdunc[m> So this is a great way to shave off some boot time.
15:20:03 <davdunc[m> mhayden: I don't think this one has. It might need to be wrangled yet.
15:20:12 <davdunc[m> The others have.
15:20:33 <mhayden> if you find the proposal, let me know and I can review it
15:20:50 <davdunc[m> okay. I'll pass it over after the meeting.
15:20:57 <davdunc[m> Here's the second one:
15:20:58 <mhayden> i see a couple of other cloud issues in pagure (such as removing the standard storage AMIs) that would make for a quick proposal
15:21:23 <mhayden> #action davdunc to dig up the proposal for UEFI boot in cloud images and send it to mhayden for review
15:21:29 <davdunc[m> yes.
15:22:01 <davdunc[m> that's perfect. It's set for F39, but we may want to respin the images for F38 to get the benefits.
15:22:23 <mhayden> sounds reasonable
15:22:23 <davdunc[m> So onto the second one: Change the default volume type to gp3
15:22:34 <davdunc[m> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CloudEC2gp3
15:23:09 <davdunc[m> This one is really  huge change and we just have to change one little number in the config for the volume creation. :)
15:23:34 <mhayden> hah, well said
15:23:36 <davdunc[m> it decreases volume costs by around 10% and increases performance on snapshots and the like.
15:23:51 <mhayden> it has the green light from FESCo -- where do we make this change?
15:24:16 <nzwulfin> sounds like an easy first issue if it's really that simple
15:24:32 <davdunc[m> it's in the fedimg code. Someone from the infrastructure team has already gotten excited about doing it across the volumes for infrastructure.
15:24:59 <davdunc[m> nzwulfin: yes. it's a modification "ye olde fedimg" code.
15:25:07 <davdunc[m> modification to*
15:25:16 <mhayden> that sounds interesting
15:25:19 * nzwulfin pretends he knows what that means and nods
15:25:35 <davdunc[m> #chair nzwulfin
15:25:35 <zodbot> Current chairs: Felix davdunc[m dduffey mhayden miyunari nzwulfin spotz_
15:25:59 <mhayden> is this the right code: https://github.com/fedora-infra/fedimg ?
15:26:26 <davdunc[m> we have a build script called fedimg and it builds the image - there is a DEVICE Definition that identifies the volume type as "gp2"
15:26:54 <davdunc[m> sorry, not DEVICE, it's a Disk Container
15:27:16 <davdunc[m> yes. mhayden that's the right code and can we get your team as owner?
15:27:38 <mhayden> https://github.com/fedora-infra/fedimg/blob/fcbface13726cd1cb09b007b510bc888116a56e0/fedimg-conf.toml.example#L13
15:28:04 <mhayden> davdunc: i wonder if i can get miyunari[m] to have a looksee at a PR 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
15:28:17 <davdunc[m> While I appreciate that Sayan did a lot of work on it, he's not maintaining it for us any longer.
15:28:28 <nzwulfin> the changelog for hp2 is pre-PR tracking
15:28:35 <nzwulfin> gp2*
15:28:55 <davdunc[m> spotz_: I just realized that we are clobbering the centos-cloud meeting again.
15:29:02 <davdunc[m> will fix that.
15:29:21 <spotz_> Yeah, hence IRC vs Matrix:) It's just easier to see action and switch channels
15:29:30 <nzwulfin> @mhayden i might ping you offline on this one :)
15:29:39 <davdunc[m> nzwulfin: thanks.
15:29:41 <mhayden> nzwulfin: oh, the fedimg one? sure, let's do it
15:29:56 <davdunc[m> okay. While you're doing that one.
15:30:03 <davidduffey> What is your favorite / a good matrix client? (using hexchat at the moment)
15:30:12 <davdunc[m> have a look at this third one:
15:30:25 <mhayden> #action nzwulfin and mhayden to sync up on changing gp2 > gp3 for Fedora cloud image
15:30:30 <davdunc[m> dduffey: element.
15:30:40 <spotz_> davidduffey: For Matrix I use Element for IRC I use Limechat (I'm a bad Open Sourcer I'm on a MAc)
15:31:13 <spotz_> But Element can be used in a browser which is handy so not just an app
15:31:17 * mhayden uses irccloud
15:31:36 <mhayden> davdunc: what else on the AMI side? should i draft a proposal to remove standard AMIs?
15:31:37 * davdunc[m likes irccloud it's so convenient.
15:31:59 <davdunc[m> mhayden: I think that's appropriate. We don't need them any longer..
15:32:22 <mhayden> nzwulfin: i just re-read the gp2>gp3 change proposal -- the approved proposal is a switch from 2 to 3, not adding 3 now and removing 2 later
15:32:25 <mhayden> i couldn't remember
15:32:29 <davdunc[m> The third one is moving to the Instance Metadata Service (IMDS) version 2
15:32:50 <mhayden> #action mhayden to draft a change proposal for removing standard storage images https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/295
15:32:57 <davdunc[m> nzwulfin: it should just be switching from 2 to 3.
15:32:57 <nzwulfin> @mhayden: yep reading up in another window on the history
15:33:06 * nzwulfin nods
15:33:45 <davdunc[m> If a user decides to swap back to gp2 for $reasons then they can modify the config at instance creation.
15:34:02 <mhayden> oh i didn't know that
15:34:03 <davdunc[m> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CloudEC2IMDSv2Only
15:34:27 <davdunc[m> mhayden: it's super convenien.
15:34:30 <davdunc[m> t*
15:34:54 <davdunc[m> that dot was just a placeholder for the promise of a "t"
15:35:15 <mhayden> 👏
15:35:31 <davdunc[m> so the goal with this one is to tokenize the access to the IMDS service.
15:35:39 <mhayden> so what's the action required on the IMDSv2 from us? cloud-init already supports it
15:36:10 <davdunc[m> yes. cloud init supports it.
15:36:51 <davdunc[m> the cloud-init config that fredlef created tries the imdsv2 service first and then falls back to the imdsv1 support.
15:37:21 <davdunc[m> if we do this, then the images will support IMDSv2 only and that is the recommendation of the Amazon security team.
15:38:22 <davdunc[m> decreasing the max hops thwarts complications that happen as a result of misconfigured proxy servers or manually configured load balancing solutions.
15:39:11 <davdunc[m> So it's generally considered to be a better route to go.
15:40:09 <mhayden> so this one also has the FESCo green light 💚
15:40:12 <davdunc[m> it is supported in all of the regions that we support today.
15:40:32 <davdunc[m> awesome. it's a change that we can support in the libcloud definition too.
15:40:59 <davdunc[m> So while I move fedimg away from libcloud to the native tools, we can still effect the change today.
15:42:02 <davdunc[m> okay. That's the three changes there.
15:43:32 <davdunc[m> mhayden, we may want to talk to nirik about it. There was someone from the copr team iirc who was already working on some of these for their instances and willing to make the changes for the rest of us.
15:44:01 <nirik> yeah, see the infrastructure list/ansible commits.
15:44:21 <davdunc[m> I'll go dig that up. thanks nirik
15:45:23 <davdunc[m> #action davdunc chase down the modifications in the ansible and then modify the flag if mhayden and team don't beat him to it.
15:46:03 <davdunc[m> moving on.
15:46:10 <davdunc[m> #topic cloud directory
15:46:22 <davdunc[m> #topic cloud image directory
15:47:32 <davdunc[m> mhayden: do you have the link for that?
15:48:01 <mhayden> #link https://fedora.imagedirectory.cloud/
15:48:19 <mhayden> this is totally a PoC / experiment because i don't know how to make wireframes 😂
15:48:39 <davdunc[m> well I am so excited for the work and the goals.
15:48:51 <mhayden> my team (miyunari[m] + Felix[m]123 and others) have been working on an image directory frontend/backend application that makes it easier to find images in public clouds
15:48:57 <davdunc[m> and excited that you and the rest of the team are working this!
15:49:05 <davdunc[m> miyunari++
15:49:06 <zodbot> davdunc[m: Karma for miyunari changed to 1 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
15:49:07 <mhayden> for example, we have one for RHEL that we are developing, too: https://imagedirectory.cloud/
15:49:12 <davdunc[m> Felix++
15:49:27 <davdunc[m> Felix++
15:49:32 <mhayden> *however*, this is just a POC. there's no accessibility handling and fedora branding or anything like that
15:49:44 <davdunc[m> we understand!
15:50:10 <mhayden> what i'd like to see is if we can somehow get this into the fedora website in a fedora-centric format that replaces the existing cloud image listings
15:50:31 <davdunc[m> So as this progresses, I, for one, and am excited to see it. I can't wait until we are talking about it in action and using it for deployments!
15:50:36 <mhayden> i have no idea how to propose something like that and would be glad to take advice on that
15:51:00 <mhayden> our teams' goal is to provide a frontend for clicking through the options as well as a JSON backend for tools and such
15:51:55 <davdunc[m> well we have some great help on the website side. As they go through their rebuild that will be great. They were previously depending on us to provide the images through the fedimg reporting and that was json. I haven't looked at what they are doing now.
15:52:26 <mhayden> i found the website content on gitlab recently so that could be a start
15:52:36 <mhayden> who do we talk to on the web team for a potential update there?
15:52:40 <dustymabe> lots of people in the meeting today!
15:52:43 <davdunc[m> I know it's different. This gives us a chance to get back to providing something reliable that they can depend on.
15:52:54 <davdunc[m> #chair dustymabe
15:52:54 <zodbot> Current chairs: Felix davdunc[m dduffey dustymabe mhayden miyunari nzwulfin spotz_
15:53:03 <davdunc[m> happy to see you here too dustymabe
15:53:14 <davdunc[m> alright
15:53:24 <davdunc[m> #topic open_floor
15:53:46 <nzwulfin> o/
15:53:53 <davdunc[m> We need to think about our scheduling for test days.
15:54:05 <mhayden> miyunari++
15:54:05 <zodbot> mhayden: Karma for miyunari changed to 2 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
15:54:06 <davdunc[m> nzwulfin you have a topic?
15:54:15 <nzwulfin> i have a question really :)
15:54:23 <davdunc[m> well by all means!
15:55:01 <davdunc[m> and I forgot to throw some appreciation Stewart's way for working on the change proposals.
15:55:03 <nzwulfin> saw an email on the list about docs (that had little context), is there an official "improve our docs" project / ticket / effort?
15:56:10 <davdunc[m> nzwulfin: there is not an official project. we have a new contributor who was interested in diving in with us and I asked them to take up documentation for the work.
15:56:35 <nzwulfin> cool, i'll throw my hat on that pile in the list then
15:56:50 <davdunc[m> @mayura_andrew
15:57:02 <davdunc[m> We really need it.
15:57:34 <nzwulfin> i read your email and concur :D
15:57:36 <davdunc[m> nzwulfin, would you mind including @mayura_andrew in your efforts and help get them onboarded?
15:57:53 <nzwulfin> sure! i need to get me onboarded too
15:58:14 <davdunc[m> nzwulfin: well any help either of you need, we are here to help.
15:58:48 <davdunc[m> happy to have you jumping in.
15:59:36 <nzwulfin> got smart and made SIG work a part of my goals
15:59:42 <mhayden> woot!
15:59:55 <spotz_> hehe
16:00:07 <spotz_> I just make Open Source projects one of mine:)
16:00:34 <nzwulfin> bugging @mhayden as OKRs
16:00:46 <mhayden> 🥵
16:00:48 <spotz_> Don't forget blaming him as another:)
16:00:53 <mhayden> i think we're at time
16:00:57 <nzwulfin> lol
16:00:59 <davdunc[m> so the test days. We missed it in the F38 beta space, but we need to make sure we are working with Sumantro Mukherjee and his team to ensure that we are properly getting onto the schedule. He is doing everything he needs to do, but I haven't followed up.
16:01:01 <spotz_> hehe we are
16:01:02 <davdunc[m> okay.
16:01:11 <davdunc[m> well thanks for being here everyone.
16:01:18 <davdunc[m> We'll do it again soon!
16:01:25 <davdunc[m> #endmeeting