18:30:23 <darknao> #startmeeting docs 18:30:23 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Apr 26 18:30:23 2023 UTC. 18:30:23 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 18:30:23 <zodbot> The chair is darknao. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 18:30:23 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:30:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'docs' 18:30:32 <darknao> #topic Roll call 18:30:38 <darknao> #chair pboy darknao pbokoc py0xc3[m] 18:30:38 <zodbot> Current chairs: darknao pbokoc pboy py0xc3[m] 18:30:49 <pboy> .hi 18:30:50 <zodbot> pboy: pboy 'Peter Boy' <pboy@uni-bremen.de> 18:32:09 <hankuoffroad[m]> .hello hankuoffroad 18:32:10 <zodbot> hankuoffroad[m]: hankuoffroad 'None' <allegrovelo@gmail.com> 18:32:14 <darknao> hi o/ 18:32:38 <darknao> #topic Agenda 18:32:44 <darknao> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/docs-meeting-agenda-2023-04-26/81634 18:32:46 <darknao> #info Announcements 18:32:48 <darknao> #info Tickets review 18:32:50 <darknao> #info Quick docs update 18:32:52 <darknao> #info Docs plan for the next year 18:32:54 <darknao> #info Open Floor 18:32:56 <darknao> #topic Announcements 18:33:02 <darknao> #info F38 has been released 18:33:04 <darknao> #info We use GitLab to track work: https://gitlab.com/groups/fedora/docs/-/boards 18:33:14 <darknao> anything else to add here? 18:33:22 <pboy> no 18:33:49 <darknao> I do 18:34:02 <darknao> #info darknao will step down a bit from the docs team 18:34:20 <darknao> So I need to focus on other things right now, and I've no longer the time to work actively on the docs team (not that I've been very active lately anyway) 18:35:06 <pboy> that's bad news! 18:35:14 <hankuoffroad[m]> so it is temporary? 18:35:21 <darknao> that's also mean I'll not chair this meeting anymore 18:35:26 <pboy> what do you mean with "a bit"? 18:36:14 <darknao> I mean, I'll not be active anymore (but since i've not been very active lately, that should not be a big change) 18:36:56 <darknao> and I'll not be able to chair this meeting. But I'll still be around, to work on the tooling or the website, if the time permits 18:36:58 <pboy> Well, you did all the technical things. 18:38:51 <hankuoffroad[m]> That's a shame. Yes, we can work on technical side. 18:39:11 <darknao> anyway, I don't think you'll see any differences, I'm just making official the fact that I'm not able to focus fully on the docs from quite some time already 18:40:23 <darknao> ok, let's proceed with this meeting 18:40:27 <darknao> #topic Tickets flagged for meeting 18:40:38 <darknao> I think there are 2 tickets to review 18:40:49 <darknao> #link https://gitlab.com/fedora/docs/docs-website/pages/-/issues/22 18:41:48 <hankuoffroad[m]> it can wait considering workload in the website team 18:42:18 <darknao> I believe this is an issue with dark mode not showing the menu icon, right? 18:42:19 <pboy> Looks like a CSS issue and probably a browser issue. 18:42:34 <darknao> or more precisely, a contrast issue 18:42:36 <hankuoffroad[m]> Yes 18:43:16 <pboy> contrast issue to be resolved on the phone or in the CSS? 18:43:36 <darknao> that a css issue 18:43:53 <pboy> It works fine on my iPhone 18:44:16 <pboy> so you may need browser specific CSS here? 18:44:17 <darknao> I'm moving this issue to the Fedora Docs UI repo 18:44:25 <darknao> #link https://gitlab.com/fedora/docs/docs-website/ui-bundle/-/issues/10 18:45:12 <darknao> and adding the good_first_issue tag as it seems quite easy to implement 18:45:26 <darknao> next one 18:45:31 <darknao> #link https://gitlab.com/fedora/docs/community-tools/documentation-contributors-guide/-/issues/27 18:45:38 <hankuoffroad[m]> darknao: ok 18:46:13 <pboy> That was a reminder 18:46:36 <pboy> We have to deal with the translation any time soon, I think. 18:47:02 <pboy> But we can comment it out ind nav.adoc for now 18:47:33 <hankuoffroad[m]> I recently got in touch with localization team. Unless Docs team needs different context, we could remove the link. No what I mean is there seems no separate page to write about translation. 18:47:57 <darknao> so I'm not sure here, can we just link to the l10n page you mentionned? 18:48:07 <hankuoffroad[m]> yes, comment it out. It is localization team's managing it...it could. 18:48:16 <darknao> I don't think there is anything to say more than that on the documentation side 18:49:36 <hankuoffroad[m]> pboy: we have two different opinions.. 1) comment it out 2) link to i10n team 18:49:39 <pboy> OK, what are we doing und who does it? 18:50:34 <pboy> I would comment it out until we know about localization of docs articles. 18:50:49 <pboy> But if you prefer to link, it's fine for me! 18:52:01 <darknao> we can add a small abstract on the l10n page to say that the translation happen on Weblate, and how to find docs related project on the platform 18:52:10 <hankuoffroad[m]> hmmm, will check translation metrics for Docs and reply on the issue 18:52:22 <hankuoffroad[m]> darknao: that'll do 18:52:29 <darknao> by we, I mean me, since I'm also on the l10n team 18:52:56 <hankuoffroad[m]> wow, you have many hats :) 18:52:56 <pboy> Best, darknow will write the paragraph 18:53:04 <darknao> and I'm the author of this page anyway 18:54:11 <hankuoffroad[m]> Good to know 18:55:53 <darknao> ok that's all for the tickets 18:56:02 <darknao> #topic Quick docs update 18:56:14 <darknao> anything related to QD? 18:56:35 <pboy> not from me at the moment 18:56:41 <hankuoffroad[m]> not that I know of 18:57:13 <darknao> alright, next topic then 18:57:15 <darknao> #topic Docs plan for the next year 18:57:46 <darknao> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/possible-docs-team-work-plan-for-the-f39-f40-period/81122/27 18:58:04 <pboy> Probably we go step by step through my summary? 18:58:28 <pboy> First step would be item 5 - Release Notes. 18:58:51 <pboy> Or is there a more generic remark? 18:59:45 <hankuoffroad[m]> pboy: that's handy, sure 19:00:08 <pboy> OK, item 5 - Release Notes 19:00:12 <darknao> from this summary, I can see there is few decision to take (Items 4-2-1) 19:00:20 <darknao> maybe we can start with that? 19:00:55 <pboy> Yes, but that iem 6, too. 19:00:59 <pboy> item 5 19:01:23 <pboy> You were the one to make the scripting when we discussed that some seeks ago. 19:01:45 <pboy> And to know enough about Antorra to make it work. 19:02:11 <darknao> I was? 19:02:27 <pboy> darknao Yes, you. :-) 19:05:52 <darknao> I don't remember it, but I also have a very bad memory 19:06:44 <pboy> We agreed I will write the change proposal and discuss with Fesco, and you would take over the technical side. 19:07:05 <pboy> Question is, what do we now? 19:08:34 <darknao> I guess I need to write a script then? 19:09:26 <pboy> Well, the question is, can you do it? Do you have the capacity to do it? 19:09:47 <pboy> I think, it is not a matter of 1 day or 2 19:09:58 <darknao> I don't think we need to spend to much time on it, no one here is managing the release notes anyway 19:10:51 <pboy> Yeah, therefore the idea to automate it as much as possible 19:11:14 <darknao> right, but doing it in the next days, or month, or even year, is not going to change anything 19:11:55 <darknao> I mean, it's nice to have, but I don't think that's something that need to be done asap 19:12:30 <pboy> I think, if we could develop such a script we would have much better and complete release notes for F39. So it would change a lot. 19:13:23 <darknao> That's mean I need to write a working script before F39 19:13:30 <darknao> that's not going to happen :p 19:14:11 <pboy> Well, F39 could be the beta test, so to speak. And with F40 it could become the standard procedure. 19:14:53 <pboy> Or do we have to declare defeated and kill the project? 19:15:41 <darknao> I think we can find a middle ground between killing the idea, and doing it for the next release 19:16:15 <darknao> This is a good idea, we can put it on our backlog, but I can't make any statement on when it'll be done (or even started) 19:16:52 <hankuoffroad[m]> darknao: sounds like a plan 19:17:22 <pboy> OK, so we declare defeated. 19:17:54 <pboy> and kill the project, or postpone it to F100 or so. 19:18:02 <pboy> :-) 19:18:43 <darknao> F100 seems like a possible target 19:18:54 <darknao> hopefully before that 19:20:19 <pboy> Yeah, hope dies last. 19:23:54 <pboy> We have about 5 minutes left. We should talk about how we proceed 19:24:19 <pboy> Probably with Open floor? 19:25:09 <hankuoffroad[m]> we don't have a minimum number of people to run weekly Docs meeting. Do we need to postpone the meeting until further notice and get on with priorities? 19:25:22 <darknao> #topic Open Floor 19:26:22 <pboy> We don't have a minimum number. Nevertheless we must talk about organizational things. 19:26:50 <pboy> Who will chair next meeting? According to our governance, it is a member of the board. 19:27:07 <pboy> darknao is stepping down. 19:27:23 <pboy> and now? 19:27:53 <pboy> A related problem: none of those who ran active Antorra are still active on the docs team. And neither are any of those who ran the switch to GitLab. 19:28:35 <hankuoffroad[m]> What is the impact? 19:28:48 <pboy> We don't have an active person who can sort out all the ongoing issues. 19:29:49 <pboy> Or: The .... are leaving the sinking ship ?? 19:29:56 <pboy> without replacement 19:30:53 <hankuoffroad[m]> little time left today, so until further notice Docs team is on pause. This does not mean we stopped doing work, but will slow down. 19:31:30 <pboy> Yeah. we may discuss it on discussion or in a ticket. 19:31:48 <pboy> Or on matrix. 19:31:53 <darknao> even if you decide to not meet weekly, you can still continue what you were doing on discussion 19:32:45 <hankuoffroad[m]> darknao: yes, thanks for your support so far in Docs, and we will be in the Fedora project(s). 19:33:09 <hankuoffroad[m]> pboy: i'm available. 19:33:14 <darknao> anyway, meeting is over. THanks everyone for coming 19:33:18 <darknao> #endmeeting