19:12:12 <cwickert> #startmeeting Spins SIG meeting 2011-03-14
19:12:12 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Mar 14 19:12:12 2011 UTC.  The chair is cwickert. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:12:27 <cwickert> #chair rdieter nirik brunowolff
19:12:27 <zodbot> Current chairs: brunowolff cwickert nirik rdieter
19:12:37 * nirik is sorta around. busy with dayjob.
19:12:47 <rdieter> here (1/2)
19:13:38 * brunowolff is here
19:14:33 <brunowolff> Are we switching the UTC start time this week? I was expecting this meeting to start in a bit less than an hour.
19:14:49 <brunowolff> If so, I should update the meeting wiki page.
19:16:15 <cwickert> ok, let's make it quick
19:16:15 <cwickert> #topic F15 spins
19:16:15 <cwickert> hmm, what's wrong with meetbot?
19:16:45 <cwickert> brunowolff: we can wait it if is better for the others
19:16:53 <cwickert> wow, meetbot is slow today
19:17:29 <brunowolff> Either way, I am going to get random distractions ate work at either time.
19:17:42 <cwickert> I'll try to make it quick
19:17:51 <cwickert> we have some spins ready for SIG now
19:17:57 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Spins_Ready_For_SIG
19:18:29 <cwickert> first up is the games spin
19:18:37 <cwickert> #topic Games Spin F15
19:18:45 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Games_Spin
19:18:53 <cwickert> any objections to this spin?
19:20:17 <cwickert> +1 from my side
19:20:28 <brunowolff> +1
19:21:16 <cwickert> nirik, rdieter: what about you?
19:21:27 <nirik> seems fine for me, +1
19:21:35 <rdieter> +1 ok with me
19:21:36 <cwickert> #agreed Games Spin is approved for F15
19:21:59 <cwickert> #topic LXDE Spin F15
19:22:03 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LXDE_Spin
19:22:20 <cwickert> +1 obviously :)
19:22:52 <nirik> ha.
19:23:04 <cwickert> the spin still needs a lot of work for F15 however, I'll do this once I have finished Xfce
19:23:07 <brunowolff> I don't follow the other spins as carefully, but I don't remember any commits that would be a problem.
19:23:10 <brunowolff> So +1.
19:23:33 <nirik> +1 here, although if lxdm isn't going to work for xfce spin, wonder how well it will work for lxde spin.
19:23:36 <cwickert> ATM the artwork in this spin is broken, but this can be fixed easily, just requires an update of the lxde-common package
19:24:18 <cwickert> nirik: valid concern. however I found out that GDM doesn't do policykit properly either, you can shutdown when somebody is logged in
19:24:36 <cwickert> so I think LXDM is not mmore broken than GDM is ATM
19:25:24 <cwickert> rdieter: anything from your side?
19:25:34 <rdieter> +1
19:25:35 <cwickert> rdieter: does the KDE spin have a wiki page?
19:25:49 <cwickert> #agreed LXDE Spin is approved for F15
19:26:06 <cwickert> #topic QA Test Day Spin F15
19:26:17 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA_Test_Day_Spin
19:26:25 <cwickert> this is more a template then actually a spin
19:26:31 <cwickert> it has proven to work in the past
19:26:37 <cwickert> so no objections from my side
19:26:38 <cwickert> +1
19:26:38 <rdieter> cwickert: probably should make a formal one, I think all we've got are the collection of links @ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE#Fedora_KDE_Spin
19:27:09 <brunowolff> +1
19:28:04 <cwickert> rdieter: I think this is best
19:31:48 <cwickert> nirik, rdieter: what about you?
19:32:21 <nirik> sure, seems ok.
19:32:22 <nirik> Do they use this much anymore?
19:32:37 * nirik has not seen any test days that pointed to it...
19:33:00 <cwickert> nirik: at least brunowolff updated it recently
19:33:41 <nirik> ok
19:34:04 <brunowolff> Karpal was sick for a while and that might have impacted its use.
19:34:04 <cwickert> I take this as +1
19:34:30 <cwickert> #agreed QA Test Day Spin is approved for F15
19:34:49 <cwickert> #topic Security Lab F15
19:34:59 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security_Lab
19:35:11 <cwickert> now that we have sqlninja, it's even better
19:35:18 <cwickert> so we should definitely do it :)
19:35:33 <cwickert> +1 from me
19:36:03 <brunowolff> +1
19:36:06 <nirik> sure, +1
19:36:33 <cwickert> #agreed Security Lab is approved for F15
19:36:54 <cwickert> #topic Xfce Spin F15
19:36:58 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Xfce_Spin
19:37:16 <cwickert> +1 from me and I guess from nirik too :)
19:37:18 <nirik> +1 in my opinion.
19:37:26 <brunowolff> +1 for xfce
19:37:46 <cwickert> #agreed Xfce Spin is approved for F15
19:37:55 <cwickert> ok, that's all from this categiry
19:38:04 <cwickert> categ*o*ry
19:38:17 <cwickert> #topic Biarch Spin
19:38:32 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Biarch_Spin
19:38:44 <cwickert> there was some progress and the ks look much better now
19:39:00 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Biarch_Spin
19:39:15 <cwickert> however it seems this is a very personal package selection rather than a spin
19:39:40 <cwickert> if something is called "Biarch Spin" it should IMHO be based on the default spin
19:39:53 <cwickert> this means a biarch version of the desktop spin
19:40:30 <cwickert> as everybody seems to be busy ATM and the spin owner is not here, I suggest to bring this up on the mailing list and revisit it next week
19:40:33 <cwickert> makes sense?
19:41:09 <brunowolff> I'd be worried about producing an ISO for this one, without some QA to test that it works as advertised.
19:41:29 <brunowolff> Also I agree it should be a biarch version of a standard (the Desktop) spin.
19:41:48 <brunowolff> I think the idea is a good one though.
19:41:55 <cwickert> +1
19:41:58 <nirik> revisit seems fine.
19:42:06 <brunowolff> Revisiting makes sense
19:42:07 <cwickert> bit I think we should focus on the tool rather than the spin
19:42:11 <cwickert> s/bit/but
19:42:27 <cwickert> once the tool works correctly, we can every spin we like biarch
19:42:45 <cwickert> atm the name of the iso and the fs-label are hardcoded in the script
19:42:53 <cwickert> this seems to be a no-go for me
19:42:55 <brunowolff> Getting the tool into livecd-tools seems like a good idea, but is a slightly different group (with some overlap).
19:43:02 <cwickert> indeed
19:44:17 <cwickert> #agreed The spins SIG doubts that the current spin is really a spin and should be made as ISO without having a test day. However we see the great possibilities and want the biarch tools to be improved. we will revisit this topic next week with the spin owner
19:44:29 <cwickert> ok, it think that's all for today
19:44:35 <cwickert> #topic Open Floor
19:44:46 <brunowolff> What UTC time should I set for next week's meeting?
19:45:23 <brunowolff> Should I add placeholder entries to the spin release page for the alternate ks files for desktop and KDE?
19:45:27 <cwickert> I think nirik and rdieter would like to see it an hour later, so I propose 20:00 UTC
19:45:43 <brunowolff> That's easy.
19:46:09 * nirik notes he may be running an epel meeting at 19:30 or 20:30 depending... so not great for me, but I can try and be in serveral places at once.
19:46:29 <cwickert> nirik: so you want to stick with the current time?
19:46:54 <cwickert> either way works for me
19:47:11 <nirik> I don't know yet. I guess do whatever works for other people and I will try and make it work.
19:47:56 <cwickert> ok, then I suggest to go with 20:00 UTC to make things easier for rdieter
19:48:19 <brunowolff> Keep it in meeting-2 to avoid run over issues?
19:48:39 <cwickert> #agreed Meeting should take place at 20:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-2. If you cannot make it, please speak up on the mailing list
19:49:03 <cwickert> #action rdieter and the KDE SIG to make a formal spins page for the KDE spin
19:49:20 <cwickert> note: I haven#t heared back from the netbook spin, but I can poke him again
19:49:27 <cwickert> ok, anything else?
19:49:52 * cwickert will close the meeting in 3 minutes
19:49:54 <brunowolff> Should I add placeholder entries to the spin release page for the alternate ks files for desktop and KDE?
19:50:06 <cwickert> brunowolff: please do
19:50:12 <brunowolff> I will.
19:50:24 <cwickert> btw: a big thankt for working on the spin release page
19:50:33 <cwickert> for the protocol
19:50:35 <brunowolff> For the future we should talk about prelink.
19:50:48 <nirik> oh yeah.
19:50:54 * nirik is +1 for running prelink
19:51:07 <nirik> unless we drop it entirely from the distro, which would be fine with me too. ;)
19:51:12 <brunowolff> I think so too.
19:51:21 <cwickert> #info brunowolff created a wiki page for the F15 spins at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/15/Spins
19:51:32 <cwickert> #topic prelink on the spins
19:51:39 <cwickert> +1 for prelink
19:52:05 <cwickert> ok, as nirik and brunowolff already voted +1 too, we
19:52:06 <nirik> I guess it would need to be in the base kses?
19:52:07 <brunowolff> Handling after the build is tricky. We don't it running on live images (after the build), but do after an install.
19:52:28 <nirik> brunowolff: just do it in post... then no need to run it install...
19:52:37 <nirik> and if it runs from cron it won't change anything because stuff is already done.
19:52:51 <cwickert> #agreed to run prelink in %post on the spins. need to figure our exactly into what kickstart it goes
19:53:02 <cwickert> #undo
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19:53:05 <brunowolff> But we don't want it running in cron if the image is running live.
19:53:29 <nirik> well, ideally it would be good to disable it, but it shouldn't be as bad as now if it runs.
19:53:39 <cwickert> brunowolff: as I understand it we just need to run it once in %post
19:54:20 <cwickert> hi jankratochvil
19:54:27 <jankratochvil> hi cwickert
19:54:51 <cwickert> #agreed to run prelink in %post on the spins. need to figure out exactly into what kickstart it goes
19:55:14 <cwickert> jankratochvil: we already discussed the biarch spin and we are about to close the meeting now
19:55:30 <jankratochvil> But it is 19:56 UTC now...
19:55:48 <jankratochvil> OK, I will read the log which is IIRC posted.
19:56:04 <cwickert> sorry, I thought we were to meet at 20:00 MEZ
19:56:13 <cwickert> or 19:00 UTC
19:56:24 <cwickert> from next week on, we'll meet at 20:00 UTC
19:56:36 <cwickert> everything else is in the meeting minutes
19:56:38 <jankratochvil> On http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting_channel and in the mail was 20:00 UTC.
19:56:46 <cwickert> sorry, my bad
19:56:48 <jankratochvil> OK, thanks.
19:56:55 <jankratochvil> (to the minutes :-) )
19:57:08 <cwickert> ok, I'm going to close the meeting now. I'll be around if you have questions
19:57:10 <cwickert> #endmeetig
19:57:15 <cwickert> #endmeeting