17:01:26 <cwickert> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2012-06-18
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17:01:31 <cwickert> #meetingname famsco
17:01:31 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco'
17:01:45 <cwickert> #topic Roll Call
17:01:49 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
17:01:49 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com>
17:01:56 <sesivany> .fas eischmann
17:01:57 <zodbot> sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
17:02:21 <aeperezt> .fas aeperezt
17:02:22 <zodbot> aeperezt: aeperezt 'Alejandro Perez' <alejandro.perez.torres@gmail.com>
17:02:57 * herlo is here
17:03:46 <cwickert> #chairs herlo sesivany cwickert bckurera aeperezt
17:03:52 <cwickert> #chair herlo sesivany cwickert bckurera aeperezt
17:03:52 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeperezt bckurera cwickert herlo sesivany
17:03:53 <bckurera> .fas bckurera
17:03:53 <zodbot> bckurera: bckurera 'Buddhika Kurera' <bckurera@gmail.com>
17:03:54 <cwickert> better
17:04:10 <herlo> cwickert: that only took 3 minutes to get a quorum :)
17:04:37 <cwickert> :)
17:04:50 <cwickert> hopefully we will continue with this pace
17:04:55 <cwickert> what about nb?
17:05:06 <herlo> he is here, but not here I guess.
17:06:01 <nb> hi
17:06:10 * cwickert just edited https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_members
17:06:13 <cwickert> #chair nb
17:06:13 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeperezt bckurera cwickert herlo nb sesivany
17:06:17 <nb> .fas nick@bebout
17:06:20 <zodbot> nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' <nick@bebout.net>
17:06:30 <bckurera_> .fas bckurera
17:06:30 <zodbot> bckurera_: bckurera 'Buddhika Kurera' <bckurera@gmail.com>
17:06:42 * cwickert wonders who is missing
17:06:55 <herlo> cwickert: jiri eischmann?
17:07:02 <nb> jiri is sesivany i think
17:07:04 <cwickert> no, sesivany is here
17:07:04 <herlo> or is that sesivany
17:07:08 <herlo> ahh, okay
17:07:10 <sesivany> I'm here :)
17:07:16 * herlo is not clear with nicks yet :)
17:07:32 <cwickert> dbruno is missing
17:07:40 <herlo> danielbruno is listed above
17:07:42 * bckurera_ is having troubles with the internet connection
17:07:51 <aeperezt> danielbruno, is here but not here seems like
17:07:59 <cwickert> ok, then lets start
17:08:13 <cwickert> #topic Announcements
17:09:06 <cwickert> #info We have a new FAmSCo: Christoph Wickert, Jiri Eischmann, Clint Savage, Nick Bebout, Alejandro Perez, Daniel Bruno, Buddhika Chandradeepa Kurera
17:09:31 <herlo> yay! Welcome all!
17:09:37 <danielbruno> hello
17:09:41 <danielbruno> i'm back
17:10:06 <aeperezt> danielbruno, welcome back
17:10:06 <cwickert> #info Fedora Board Runoff Election is open till tomorrow, vote either nb or evilbob at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/about/runoffboardf18
17:10:14 <cwickert> #chair danielbruno
17:10:14 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeperezt bckurera cwickert danielbruno herlo nb sesivany
17:10:26 <cwickert> any more announcements?
17:11:09 * cwickert grabs some coffee, do your announcements in the meantime :)
17:11:31 <bckurera> ?
17:12:16 * bckurera New meeting time is an announcement too, I suppose :)
17:12:35 <herlo> bckurera: indeed
17:12:43 <cwickert> ok, is everybody find with this time?
17:12:45 <herlo> but everyone made it, so that's a step in the right direction :)
17:12:50 <cwickert> or should we meet an hour later?
17:13:06 <herlo> This time is fine with me.
17:13:14 <sesivany> I'm. It works for me more than one hour later.
17:13:18 <cwickert> +1 for 1700 UTC
17:13:34 <danielbruno> to me works fine 1700 or 1800
17:13:45 <cwickert> danielbruno: what works better? no difference?
17:14:05 <danielbruno> no difference
17:14:09 <bckurera> +1 for 1700 UTC
17:14:12 <aeperezt> It works for me bud prefer a hour later
17:14:20 <nb> I prefer 1700UTC but either works
17:14:20 <cwickert> aeperezt, nb: what about you?
17:14:38 <cwickert> aeperezt: seems you are the only one
17:14:49 <cwickert> #agreed new FAMSCo meeting time is Monday at 17:00 UTC
17:14:53 <aeperezt> cwickert, yes I know
17:14:54 <cwickert> #info new FAMSCo meeting time is Monday at 17:00 UTC
17:15:01 <cwickert> ok, any further announcements?
17:15:03 <aeperezt> so 17:00 UTC
17:15:07 <cwickert> yupp
17:15:44 <cwickert> some more things, although not necessarily announcements
17:15:57 <cwickert> we don't use the meeting protocol as we are only 7 people
17:16:05 <cwickert> just speak up whenever you feel you have to
17:16:23 <cwickert> if it gets too chaotic I might insist on following the protocol though :)
17:16:50 <cwickert> we don't have a fixed agenda in the wiki either, we use trac
17:17:15 <cwickert> the meeting agenda is generated of all tickets in FAmSCo's trac that have the 'meeting' keyword
17:17:19 <cwickert> you can find it at https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/report/9
17:17:32 <cwickert> and of course it's down again :(
17:19:03 <nb> it's intermittent it seems like
17:19:15 <cwickert> ok, while skvidal is look at it, lets move on
17:19:44 <cwickert> #topic Election of the FAmSCo Chairs
17:19:50 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_election_rules
17:20:49 <cwickert> according to the election rules we have to elect a chair person within 2 weeks after the election
17:21:16 <cwickert> and that person has to appoint a vice-chair
17:21:42 <cwickert> usually the chair is the person who got the most votes, but this is not mandatory
17:21:50 <cwickert> I do volunteer, anybody else?
17:22:34 <cwickert> come on...
17:22:54 * cwickert wonders if he got disconnected
17:23:08 <danielbruno> nop
17:23:09 <sesivany> cwickert: we all just think you're the right person for that ;)
17:23:13 <nb> you didn't get disconnected :)
17:23:15 * nb nominates cwickert
17:23:19 <nb> or herlo
17:23:32 <aeperezt> nb +
17:23:37 <aeperezt> +1
17:23:40 <danielbruno> +1
17:23:43 <bckurera> sesivany +1
17:24:00 <cwickert> #agreed cwickert is the old and new FAmSCo chair
17:24:06 <herlo> +1 cwickert
17:24:08 <cwickert> ok, now for the vice
17:24:20 <cwickert> frankly speaking I don't like appointing one
17:24:31 <cwickert> how about we elect it, too?
17:24:48 <cwickert> if we don't have at least 3 volunteers, I'll just appoint somebody :P
17:24:57 <cwickert> don't tell me I haven't warned you ;)
17:25:03 <bckurera> I would like to volunteer if there is no one :)
17:25:04 <sesivany> I think it should be someone from a different region, just to maintain a polarity.
17:25:15 * herlo doesn't want to be the vice :)
17:25:28 <cwickert> sesivany: right, I was about to appoint you, but I would want somebody from non-EMEA
17:25:35 * danielbruno is a volunteer
17:25:36 <danielbruno> :)
17:25:40 <aeperezt> I will volunteer
17:25:40 <nb> what does vice chair do? just run the meetings when chair is not here?
17:25:44 * nb will volunteer if so
17:25:46 <cwickert> dammit herlo, how did you know I was looking at you? ;)
17:26:35 <cwickert> nb: ideally, the vice chair is to do all the secretarial work like posting the meeting minutes, update the wiki and tracs with logs etc
17:26:39 <herlo> lol
17:26:56 <cwickert> so the chair is the rockstar and the vice chair the idiot that does all the work :)
17:27:00 <nb> haha
17:27:05 <aeperezt> jaja
17:27:06 <danielbruno> lol
17:27:21 <cwickert> in the past, I did all the secretarial work, too
17:27:30 <cwickert> basically it's just a fallback
17:27:35 <bckurera> cwickert +1 :D
17:27:51 <cwickert> so, who volunteered? bckurera, nb and danielbruno?
17:28:09 <cwickert> no, not danielbruno but aeperezt
17:28:09 <nb> aeperezt, nb and danielbruno i think
17:28:26 <nb> * danielbruno is a volunteer
17:29:00 <aeperezt> I think is bckurera danielbruno nb aeperezt
17:29:09 <aeperezt> all voulunteer for it
17:29:12 <nb> oh yeah, bckurera did also
17:29:23 <cwickert> 4 candidates is hard to get a majority
17:29:48 <cwickert> therefor I hereby appoint danielbruno
17:29:52 <herlo> well, let's just say you can't vote for yourself?
17:29:53 <bckurera> cwickert I am out, I want if there is no one only :)
17:29:57 <herlo> oh, okay!
17:30:10 <danielbruno> uhul :)
17:30:21 <bckurera> reduce to danielbruno nb aeperezt
17:30:32 <cwickert> danielbruno: are you fine with being appointed?
17:30:38 * danielbruno is preparing for heavy work
17:30:47 * nb is fine with danielbruno being appointed
17:30:54 <aeperezt> +1
17:31:02 <danielbruno> cwickert, it's ok to me
17:31:09 <bckurera> cwickert +1 for danielbruno
17:31:15 <cwickert> ok, congrats to danielbruno
17:31:25 <cwickert> #info danielbruno is new FAmSCo vice-chair
17:31:35 * bckurera , my internet connection is not stable therefore it is not getting synchronized well, sorry about it
17:31:47 <cwickert> bckurera: no problem, we can still read you
17:32:06 <cwickert> ok, in the meantime trac is working again
17:32:26 <cwickert> should we just start with the day to day business or are there questions or suggestions?
17:33:19 * cwickert has something I want to ask, but this is going to take a little longer, so I suggest we first do tickets
17:33:37 <cwickert> #topic Funding for fvollero for EuroPython
17:33:44 <cwickert> .famsco 297
17:33:44 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/297
17:33:54 <sesivany> cwickert: it's solved.
17:34:07 <cwickert> sesivany: it is?
17:34:11 <cwickert> who pays for it?
17:34:12 <sesivany> cwickert: Francesco found funding within Red Hat.
17:34:15 <cwickert> ah
17:34:51 <cwickert> #info #297 can be closed, fvollero receives funding from his employer
17:35:18 <cwickert> #topic Funding for jreznik for LinuxTag 2012
17:35:26 <cwickert> .famsco 292
17:35:26 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/292
17:35:44 <cwickert> this is just for the record
17:36:04 <cwickert> LinuxTag is over, jreznik and sesivany were there to help us
17:36:15 <cwickert> and the ticket we are talking about here is just 78
17:36:24 <cwickert> so I suggest we just rubberstamp it
17:36:38 <cwickert> does everybody agree?
17:36:46 <sesivany> +1
17:36:48 <danielbruno> +1
17:36:55 <bckurera> I agree +1
17:37:03 <aeperezt> +1
17:37:05 <herlo> +1
17:37:05 <cwickert> +1 obviously
17:37:13 <cwickert> #agreed #292 is approved
17:37:22 <cwickert> this brings us to the next ticket
17:37:33 <cwickert> #topic Budget review guidelines
17:37:41 <cwickert> .famsco 281
17:37:41 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/281
17:38:08 <cwickert> this ticket is about the limits of things that can be approved by the regional meetings or by individual FAmSCo members
17:38:30 <cwickert> we need to get this fixed so we can talk about the really important things in our FAmSCo meetings
17:39:22 <cwickert> basically we all agree there are 3 levels: peer, regional meeting, FAmSCo
17:39:44 <cwickert> well, in fact 4 levels, because some things are even too big for FAmSCo to approve
17:39:58 <bckurera> The funding amount ranges are ok, +1
17:40:05 <cwickert> and then we need somebody from RH to look into it and issue a PO
17:40:38 <cwickert> bckurera: I think they are not, at least for EMEA or NA I think we need to raise the first level
17:40:44 <sesivany> I'm not just sure "what is local community", it's not very well defined in the proposal.
17:40:56 <cwickert> sesivany: like the EMEA ambassadors meeting
17:41:21 <nb> i like comment 9
17:41:24 <aeperezt> cwickert, I think this something new famsco members need to read about well before calling a vote
17:41:38 <bckurera> cwickert , my experience lies with APAC needs, that is why :)
17:41:46 <aeperezt> cwickert, and see if we have something to add
17:41:53 <nb> 0-500, 500-1999, 2000-5000, 5000+
17:42:04 <cwickert> aeperezt: good point
17:42:13 <cwickert> nb: sounds good
17:42:27 <cwickert> nb: can you please add your suggestion to the wiki?
17:42:31 <cwickert> erm, ticket
17:42:43 <nb> cwickert, it was, comment 9 on the wiki
17:42:44 <sesivany> cwickert: that's what I thought, but is there any quorum? Because a local community approval may become peer approval... just from my experience from ambassadors meeting attendance :)
17:43:01 <cwickert> sesivany: fair point
17:43:25 <cwickert> should we say "at least 5 ambassadors" or "5 ambassdors + local famsco member"?
17:43:25 <nb> sesivany, good point
17:43:26 <aeperezt> cwickert, also if there is another ticket like that we need to learn about before getting to vote.
17:43:54 <cwickert> aeperezt: yeah, take your time, we don't need to make a decision today, we need to discuss it first
17:43:59 <sesivany> cwickert: 5 should be fine.
17:43:59 <bckurera> nb : 0-200 would be more reasonable as the first range?
17:44:05 <aeperezt> sesivany, you are right latam righ now do not have reginal mettings
17:44:35 <aeperezt> and no mettings call for now I'm working on that
17:44:57 <bckurera> sesivany if anyone interest it is his duty to participate the meeting, this works well for APAC right now
17:45:05 <cwickert> bckurera: 200 is not enough, as kital wrote the dinner at FOSDEM was close to 300 EUR, that is USD 390
17:45:11 <aeperezt> plus  the number of ambassadors should change per region + local famsco member
17:45:31 <cwickert> if we do "local famsco member" we have a problem if the region doesn't have one
17:46:09 * nb -1 local famsco member
17:46:16 <nb> not necessarily each region has one
17:46:46 <aeperezt> if the region has no famsco member then it can invite a famsco member to the meting
17:47:12 <sesivany> what about letting regions set their rules? It should be their responsibility, let them rule by their rules.
17:47:13 <nb> I don't think it is necessary for a famsco member to be at the meeting
17:47:23 <danielbruno> maybe the mentors of each region may represent the ambassadors
17:47:28 <nb> but maybe say that at least 5 ambassadors have to be there?
17:47:28 <aeperezt> as long as there is a famsco member I think it could be right if there is no famsco member in that region
17:47:40 <cwickert> sesivany: good point
17:47:49 <bckurera> cwickert this depends on the region, like APAC we are doing good now
17:47:55 <nb> sesivany, good point
17:48:08 <cwickert> bckurera: yes, I have seen this with the FAD already
17:48:47 <cwickert> ok, so how about we go with 0-500, 500-1999, 2000-5000, 5000+ and 5 ambassdors as rule of thumb but allow the regions to make their own rules?
17:48:51 <bckurera> cwickert: I suggest we discuss this issue with the regional meetings and will get their idea and form a better framework
17:48:54 <bckurera> but it needs some time
17:48:58 * herlo likes cwickert's last suggestion
17:49:02 <cwickert> fine with me
17:49:28 <cwickert> ok, lets stick to my suggestion for now and revisit the ticket once we have discussed it in the different regions
17:49:32 <nb> cwickert, +1
17:49:52 <sesivany> cwickert: +1
17:49:52 * nb suggests we plan to vote next week
17:49:58 <nb> this ticket has been going for months
17:50:14 <cwickert> nb: give it two weeks because some regions don't meet every week
17:50:16 <aeperezt> nb
17:50:18 <nb> cwickert, ok
17:50:21 <nb> 2 weeks then
17:50:25 <herlo> nb: i think we were close to a vote before the change in leadership
17:50:27 <cwickert> well, we could actually try one
17:50:35 <cwickert> EMEA meets on Wednesday
17:50:36 <aeperezt> nb don't think latam will be ready for next monday
17:50:59 <aeperezt> danielbruno, waht do you think we can call a metting and have an agrement on time for this?
17:51:01 <danielbruno> aeperezt, we need to date a meeting on latam
17:51:06 <cwickert> aeperezt, danielbruno: can you bring this up on the latam mailing list?
17:51:20 <nb> herlo, yeah, i agree
17:51:21 <aeperezt> cwickert, yes will do
17:51:22 <bckurera> cwickert lets say it needs to be sponsored by more than 5 FAms, rather than votes. It means the responsibility of USD 500 maximum should be beard by minimum 5 FAms
17:51:32 <herlo> nb: :)
17:51:36 <nb> bckurera, not 500 maximum
17:51:42 <nb> 0-500 only needs peer review
17:51:50 <cwickert> #action aeperezt to ask for feedback about #281 on the LATAM mailing list
17:51:56 <nb> bckurera, 500-1999 needs at least regional approval/5 ambassadors guideline
17:52:24 <bckurera> nb a mistake, it should be 1999 :)
17:52:33 <nb> bckurera, oh ok
17:52:52 <cwickert> #action all FAmSCo members to discuss #281 with their local communities and provide feedback in the trac ticket
17:53:44 <nb> sounds good
17:54:04 <danielbruno> good
17:54:20 <cwickert> #agreed: for now we go with 4 levels (0-499, 500-1999, 2000-5000, 5000+) and allow the regions to make their own rules. 5 ambassadors should be rule of thumb for regional meetings, but exceptions may be granted per region
17:54:34 <cwickert> does everybody agree to that summary?
17:54:55 <nb> yeah
17:54:57 <sesivany> cwickert: +1
17:54:57 <danielbruno> agree
17:54:59 <danielbruno> +1
17:55:23 <aeperezt> +1
17:55:32 <cwickert> ok then
17:55:57 <bckurera> cwickert: If the request is made by a FAmSCo member and the amount is below 499, it needs to be approved by another FAmSCo member
17:56:21 <cwickert> bckurera: can you please add this as a suggestion to the ticket?
17:57:01 * cwickert is looking for suggestions which ticket to discuss next
17:57:24 <danielbruno> aeperezt, let's call the meeting at the scheduled time before?
17:57:37 <herlo> +1
17:57:53 <danielbruno> aeperezt, on latam
17:57:54 * bckurera stuck with the internet connection :(
17:58:00 <bckurera> cwickert +1
17:58:24 <sesivany> cwickert: you'll have to discuss Francesco's request after all. I just pinged him and found out that he wasn't funded after all :-/
17:58:32 <herlo> bckurera: I kind of think if a famsco member asks for money, it should go through his/her region, just like any other ambassador. The only caveat to that is if it's needing approval from FAmSCo.
17:58:47 <aeperezt> danielbruno, I think we should, but we need to address the matter on the list, so people show
17:59:24 <cwickert> herlo: the idea was that FAmSCo members count as peers, just like credit card holders. thus, they should be able to make decisions up to 499 USD
17:59:53 <nb> plus peers also include people delegated authority (like NA shippers/regional ambassadors/whatever we call ourselves now)
18:00:15 <herlo> cwickert: indeed. I didn't mean to dilute the statement.
18:00:33 <bckurera> herlo: yes my concern is that, we need to be clear, so no ambiguities, anyway will keep the discussion on the trac
18:00:37 <cwickert> nb: right
18:00:46 <herlo> just wanted to clarify that it seems a bit vague in that area.
18:00:52 <danielbruno> aeperezt, sure, as we are not having periodic meetings  we should to inform the matter to the most people interested can attend.
18:01:05 <cwickert> ok, anything more on this or should we just add our thoughts to the ticket?
18:01:21 <herlo> cwickert: yeah, add thoughts is a good direction forward.
18:01:22 <nb> i guess the question is, can a "peer" approve something for themself
18:01:30 <nb> is what bckurera was talking about i think
18:01:30 <aeperezt> cwickert, the only thing I see on the ticket
18:02:01 <aeperezt> is what is the region budget now?
18:02:09 <cwickert> nb: good question, we need to ask a credit card holder
18:02:18 <nb> true
18:02:18 <cwickert> aeperezt: that is a different issue and ticket
18:02:24 <nb> since they are the one paying anyway
18:02:35 <herlo> nb: right, I was more interested in saying that in that instance, they are just a normal ambassador and can't ask themselves for approval
18:02:44 <nb> herlo, yeah
18:02:45 <aeperezt> cwickert, yes but if the limits are close to the budget that maybe an issue
18:03:14 <cwickert> nb: I would like to think we trust the credit card holders enough to have them approve something for "themselves" just by giving them a credit card
18:03:21 <nb> cwickert, yeah, i agree
18:03:29 <bckurera> nb : not a question exactly but feel like it is good to have a clause asking not to approve as peer his/her own requests :)
18:03:49 <cwickert> aeperezt: lets please discuss this as a different question. the limit is definitely higher than 5000+
18:04:14 <cwickert> erm, the regional budget is higher than the highest limit of 5000+
18:04:56 <cwickert> bckurera: in NA and EMEA this is no problem, we do trust the credit card holders enough
18:05:08 <cwickert> but I see it could be an issue in other regions
18:05:16 <herlo> I think we're over time
18:05:18 <cwickert> we don't have a credit card holder in APAC
18:05:25 <cwickert> herlo: yes we are
18:05:26 <herlo> and we really should move this to the ticket
18:05:31 <cwickert> +1
18:05:33 * herlo notes one rule cwickert didn't mention
18:05:44 <cwickert> the 15 minutes bell?
18:05:46 <herlo> ~15 minutes per ticket is a good goal
18:05:52 <herlo> cwickert: :)
18:05:54 <cwickert> right
18:06:00 <bckurera> cwickert we trust them too but a matter of completeness :) , we have Harish
18:06:00 <cwickert> let me explain this to the new fellows
18:06:14 <cwickert> usually we discuss everything for 15 minutes
18:06:16 <cwickert> or less
18:06:33 <cwickert> and after 15 minutes I ask if people still want to continue this topic/ticket
18:06:39 <cwickert> I hope this makes sense
18:07:00 <cwickert> ok, lets stop with this ticket for now, we all just add our suggestions to the ticket
18:07:05 <herlo> +1
18:07:14 <danielbruno> +1
18:07:23 <sesivany> +1
18:07:25 <bckurera> it is a good rule indeed +1
18:07:36 <cwickert> should we discuss one more or close this meeting?
18:07:36 <herlo> I truly think we have a lot of good ideas. Putting them down on the ticket will help us to track them properly as well.
18:07:52 * herlo is available for a short time, probably ~15 minutes :P
18:08:02 * sesivany too
18:08:17 * nb is fine with continuing
18:08:28 <nb> do we need to discuss that one reimbursement ticket?
18:08:29 <cwickert> lets quickly do #297 again then
18:08:44 <cwickert> #topic Funding for fvollero for EuroPython (redux)
18:08:52 <herlo> .famsco 297
18:08:52 <cwickert> .famsco 297
18:08:53 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/297
18:08:55 <herlo> lol
18:08:56 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/297
18:08:59 <herlo> sory
18:09:05 <herlo> s/r/rr/
18:09:12 <cwickert> ok, it's 5 nights, 85 EUR each
18:09:22 <cwickert> that makes it 425 EUR
18:09:40 <nb> approx 534 USD
18:09:50 <cwickert> fvollero has actually offered to take over something himself
18:10:11 <cwickert> but then we need two different invoices, say one for 3 and one for 2 nights
18:10:19 <cwickert> I think we should just pay everything
18:10:25 <cwickert> and my motivation is as follows:
18:10:38 <nb> he is already paying for plane and stuff
18:11:08 <cwickert> 1. I want to spend more stuff on non-ambassadors. if we want to get new developers, we'll probably get them at an event like this one and not at yet another exhibition
18:11:09 <sesivany> yeah, Francesco is already paying for everything else.
18:11:23 <cwickert> so generally, spend more money on developers and getting things done
18:11:29 <cwickert> and 2:
18:11:30 <sesivany> cwickert: the event is big, about 800 devels.
18:11:30 <nb> #proposal reimburse 5 nights at 85 EUR each
18:11:46 <cwickert> fvollero is member of the Open Source and Standards team
18:11:56 <cwickert> this is the successor of CommArch
18:12:06 <cwickert> so these are the people we get our money from in the future
18:12:22 <cwickert> and I hope that we get more money if we show we are willing to spend money :)
18:12:38 <cwickert> they also do the sponsoring for other communities such as JBoss etc
18:12:50 <cwickert> but this doesn't go through Fedora or FAmSCo
18:13:06 <cwickert> and I want RH to give more budget under the control of the community
18:13:12 <cwickert> does this makes sense?
18:13:18 <nb> yes
18:13:20 <danielbruno> yes
18:13:24 <sesivany> yes
18:13:37 <bckurera> +1
18:13:38 <cwickert> ok, then +1 to nb's propsal
18:13:43 <aeperezt> +1
18:13:46 <sesivany> +1
18:14:25 <bckurera> agree with 5*85 EUR reimbursement, +1
18:14:37 <cwickert> me counts +4
18:14:47 <cwickert> +5 with nb
18:14:51 <danielbruno> +1
18:14:51 <nb> +1
18:15:13 <cwickert> #agreed fvollero receives full funding for accommodation at EuroPython, that is 425 EUR
18:15:19 <cwickert> #undo
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18:15:38 <cwickert> #agreed #297 is approved, fvollero receives full funding for accommodation at EuroPython, that is 425 EUR
18:15:43 <cwickert> ok, that's it
18:15:52 <cwickert> #topic Open Floor
18:15:59 <cwickert> one more thing before we leave
18:16:07 <cwickert> I want all of us to do some homework
18:16:27 <cwickert> in the past, the board had "strategic goals"
18:16:39 <cwickert> but they did not really work out because nobody took care of them
18:16:49 <cwickert> so we now have individual goals
18:17:11 <cwickert> every board member picks 2-3 things that he/she wants to achieve during his/her term
18:17:18 <cwickert> and I want all of us to do the same
18:17:36 <cwickert> think about what is going wrong in your region and how you want to fix it
18:17:38 <herlo> +1 from me on the previous proposal as well.
18:17:58 <cwickert> it doesn't necessarily need to be an ambassadors problem, but anything you want to do
18:18:22 <cwickert> for example, I said I want to get 3 upstream developers of my packages becoming co-maintainers in Fedora
18:18:36 <cwickert> this is not specific to the board, but nevertheless it helps Fedora
18:18:49 <cwickert> so think about what you can do to help Fedora, to move things forward
18:19:03 <herlo> +1 to this idea
18:19:03 <cwickert> and write it down and send it to the ambassadors list
18:19:08 <cwickert> does this sound good?
18:19:33 <sesivany> cwickert: no problem, good idea
18:19:40 <herlo> we all had things like this on our platforms when we ran for famsco, good plan to use those as a starting point.
18:19:55 <cwickert> danielbruno, aeperezt: for you a goal could be "try to establish regional meetings in LATAM"
18:20:06 <bckurera> sound better !
18:20:22 <danielbruno> i share the same idea
18:20:40 <cwickert> bckurera: in APAC there seem to be problems with swag production and shipping, so you perhaps want to work on that
18:21:00 <cwickert> it's your decision, I just want all of us to think about it and write to the ambassdors list
18:21:18 <cwickert> then our ambassadors see what are are about to do and can comment on it
18:21:20 <aeperezt> sounds like a plan
18:21:30 <nb> oh
18:21:36 <cwickert> and they will be able to see who achieved his goals
18:21:37 <nb> who should receive APAC and LATAM's case badges
18:21:44 * nb is sending EMEA's to sesivany soon
18:21:57 <cwickert> but be careful, don't be over ambitious
18:22:25 <cwickert> bckurera: this is important, I know you are very ambitious. only set yourself a goal when you can reach it
18:22:26 <bckurera> cwickert : there are some I ll work on that plus some new stuffs which makes things fresh :)
18:22:34 <cwickert> ok, cool
18:22:58 <cwickert> sesivany: can you give me your address, I can send you stickers
18:23:12 <cwickert> ok, I think that's it for today
18:23:15 <bckurera> cwickert , noted that :)
18:23:16 <cwickert> thanks verybody for coming
18:23:28 <cwickert> s/verybody/everybody
18:23:43 <cwickert> it was awesome to have 'all' FAmSCo members in one meeting
18:23:48 <herlo> :)
18:23:52 <herlo> agreed
18:24:01 <cwickert> I think the previous FAmSCo never managed to have 7 people present :)
18:24:07 <cwickert> looking forward to work with you
18:24:23 <cwickert> #endmeeting