16:00:15 <jreznik> #startmeeting Fedora 18 Go/No-Go suplementary meeting
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16:00:29 <jreznik> #meetingname f18-go-no-go-supl-meeting
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16:00:34 <jreznik> hi there!
16:00:40 * nirik waves to all. Hopefully this is a nice short meeting.
16:00:43 <jreznik> #topic Roll call
16:00:46 <sgallagh> Hello
16:00:53 * tflink is here
16:01:37 <jreznik> we need representatives of QA, devel and PM at least
16:01:39 * rbergeron is here
16:01:44 * satellit listening
16:01:50 * tflink is here for QA
16:02:02 <sgallagh> I assume nirik and I are representing devel.
16:02:05 <jreznik> #info tflink available for QA
16:02:11 * rbergeron is here to represent "ship this thing for the love of god"
16:02:22 <jreznik> #info nirik and sgallagh available for devel
16:02:27 * nirik can wear whatever hats needed.
16:02:37 <tflink> rbergeron: so you wouldn't be amused if I found new blockers to propose?
16:02:42 <jreznik> #info rbergeron and jreznik for PM and "ship it"
16:02:54 * jreznik sends sombrero to nirik
16:03:05 * Martix is here
16:03:53 <jreznik> let's wait a sec and then we can start
16:03:55 <rbergeron> tflink: in a sick way, perhaps
16:04:00 * Viking-Ice goes to grap a cup of coffee
16:04:08 <rbergeron> nirik: so long as it's not blue and shaped in a certain way, eh? ;)
16:05:04 * jreznik has blue and certain shaped hat on his head right now
16:05:18 <jreznik> #topic Purpose of this meeting
16:05:45 <jreznik> #info on yesterday's Go/No-Go meeting it was agreed that RC3 is GOLD for now, with possibility to raise the status of RC4 to be the final release based on the outcome of supplemental testing
16:06:09 * Martix FYI I'll be leaving at 18, I hope we can manage to #endmeeting gracefully :-)
16:06:30 <jreznik> anyone objects going straight to the decision making fun?
16:06:41 <Viking-Ice> nope
16:06:45 <Martix> go for it
16:07:04 <sgallagh> Can QA summarize the outcome of the supplemental testing?
16:07:11 <jreznik> #topic final decision on what RC to ship
16:07:21 <jreznik> sgallagh: yep, it's part of topic
16:07:26 <tflink> We've been working on testing RC4 since it was spun yesterday
16:07:45 <jreznik> #info QA has been working on testing RC4 since it was spun yesterday
16:08:06 <tflink> jreznik: would it be easier to #chair me and I can do #info, #link etc as I go?
16:08:07 <jreznik> tflink: it's up to you, otherwise I have a hidden word from adamw
16:08:15 <jreznik> #chair tflink
16:08:15 <zodbot> Current chairs: jreznik tflink
16:08:20 <jreznik> sure mr. chairman!
16:08:22 <Viking-Ice> a hidden word?
16:08:47 <jreznik> Viking-Ice: summary for QA, nothing more in case you or tflink would not be able to be here
16:09:01 <Viking-Ice> ok
16:09:05 <nirik> is it a killing word? ;)
16:09:16 <tflink> #info No major issues have been found in QA's testing of RC4 but it still hasn't received the same level of testing as RC2
16:09:17 * nirik makes dune joke, likely no one gets it.
16:09:43 <sgallagh> nirik: I got it, but I'll contest "joke"
16:09:44 * jreznik is really happy we did more testing for RC4 as RC3 was tested too
16:09:44 <rbergeron> nirik: so bad
16:09:45 <tflink> #info Test matrices show no major regressions from RC2/3 to RC4
16:09:48 <Viking-Ice> the are that needed testing got tested afaik
16:10:03 <Viking-Ice> mean area
16:10:13 <tflink> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_18_Final_RC4_Install
16:10:15 <sgallagh> tflink: "major" regressions? Were there minor ones?
16:10:28 <tflink> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_18_Final_RC4_Desktop
16:10:37 <tflink> sgallagh: not from RC2/3 to RC4, no
16:10:42 <jreznik> sgallagh: as far as I know - no, there are not
16:10:50 <tflink> we did find a new bug with optical media on intel macs, though
16:10:51 <sgallagh> Ok, just making sure
16:11:22 <Viking-Ice> tflink, that's present on rc2/rc3 as well no?
16:11:23 <tflink> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=893839
16:11:31 <sgallagh> oof, that looks unpleasant
16:11:31 <jreznik> Viking-Ice: yes, it is
16:11:35 <tflink> Viking-Ice: yeah, it wasn't a new regression
16:11:49 <jreznik> sgallagh: we have a good workaround to be documented and usb works
16:12:02 <tflink> the summary of that one is that USB media works fine on mactel but none of the optical media boots without a workaround from the grub prompt
16:12:41 <sgallagh> not loving it, but with a documented workaround I can live with it
16:12:58 <jreznik> sgallagh: marked as commonbugs
16:13:09 * sgallagh nods
16:13:18 <tflink> it could be a blocker but the general feeling is that it isn't enough to block release
16:13:29 <tflink> could be seen as a blocker, I mean
16:13:59 <jreznik> not at current state, me is ok with workaround and documentation
16:14:43 <Viking-Ice> yeah I dont think it warrants a blocker
16:14:55 <Martix> -1
16:14:55 <tflink> jreznik: strictly speaking, it _is_ a violation of release criterion but yeah, we're OK with documentation of workaround
16:15:10 <rbergeron> it's just mac, yes? not "all hardware"
16:15:13 <nirik> tflink: I thought we specifically excepted apple EFI hw...
16:15:25 <jreznik> tflink: well, we are behind standard blocker review time...
16:15:45 <tflink> either way, it's an academic discussion - I don't think that anyone is seriously considering it a blocker
16:15:47 <jreznik> rbergeron: macs and only optical media
16:15:48 * nirik is for commonbugs and workarounds. Is anyone not?
16:15:59 <jreznik> rbergeron: usb media works
16:16:11 * jreznik is not
16:16:20 <sgallagh> Considering there are very few macs with optical drives left, I think we're fine
16:16:29 <rbergeron> sgallagh: yeah, i was just going to say
16:16:44 <tflink> yeah, I think that is the major thing - the lack of optical drives on many apple machines
16:16:44 * jreznik means he's ok with the current state, not not with what nirik proposed :)
16:17:01 * rbergeron has a mac somewhere with an optical drive but it also has a toy stuck in it and it's like 4 years old
16:17:11 <sgallagh> jreznik: One more not and you may tie your tongue into a knot :)
16:17:25 <jreznik> sgallagh: nice one! :)
16:17:30 <tflink> we can go through the process of rejecting it as a blocker if anyone wants to do it
16:17:48 <sgallagh> tflink: It hasn't actually been proposed as one, has it?
16:17:50 * jreznik does not think it's neccessary at this point
16:17:55 <tflink> sgallagh: nope
16:18:09 <sgallagh> Then let's move on. I'm not hearing any dissent.
16:18:45 <tflink> So, short summary from a QA perspective: we're not -1 on shipping RC4 but it _is_ more risky than shipping RC3. Just because a day's worth of testing hasn't found anything doesn't mean that nothing is there
16:19:16 <jreznik> #info Fedora QA is not -1 on shipping RC4 but it _is_ more risky than shipping RC3
16:19:24 <tflink> jreznik: you beat me to it :)
16:19:26 <Viking-Ice> technically rc3 did not get the testing either strictly speaking
16:19:45 <jreznik> Viking-Ice: that's why I'm happy we did more testing for RC4, more RC3 testing has been done
16:19:57 <tflink> Viking-Ice: yeah, but there was no real functional difference between RC2 and RC3 and RC2 did get quite a bit more testing
16:19:58 <jreznik> so even RC3 is now much more better covered
16:20:55 <tflink> I think that's it from QA
16:20:59 <sgallagh> tflink: Saying QA is not -1 isn't the same as saying it's +1. Are you abstaining?
16:21:01 <jreznik> as we agreed on RC3 yesterday, the call is simple today - to ship or not ship RC4, we have quite a good info from QA now
16:22:03 <nirik> +1 for RC4 and lets just ship it. ;)
16:22:10 <jreznik> #info proposal: ship RC4 as a final release
16:22:32 <Martix> +1
16:22:38 <tflink> sgallagh: true, the statement of not -1 was intentional. From a QA perspective, I don't think that there is a strong preference either way. RC3 is better tested, RC4 fixes the fprintd bug and has properly sized XFCE spin
16:22:55 <tflink> neither of which is a release blocking bug
16:22:55 <Viking-Ice> yeah +1 to RC4
16:23:08 <tflink> personally, I'd say ship RC4
16:23:20 <sgallagh> Yeah, I'm going to say +1 to RC4 as well.
16:24:09 <jreznik> +1 RC4 as it seems solid (trying to avoid s-word)
16:24:14 <tflink> from an email, adamw sounds mostly +/- 0 as well, slightly on the +1 side
16:24:53 <jreznik> rbergeron: ?
16:25:25 <rbergeron> sorry, trying to wrangle a damn logo, but i am +1 on rc4 mostly
16:25:28 <rbergeron> :)
16:25:34 <jreznik> tflink: so can I count you as +1 or do you want to state it openly?
16:26:00 * tflink is slightly +1 on shipping RC4 but would be OK with RC3 as well
16:26:47 <Viking-Ice> so QA is +1
16:26:48 <jreznik> for me oversized xfce was that last thing to move towards RC4 but would be ok with RC3
16:27:35 <sgallagh> Yeah, the oversized XFCE media tipped me beyond +0 and into +1
16:27:49 <tflink> Viking-Ice: I think QA is more +/- 0 since none of the issues are release blocking but I'm splitting hairs more than anything
16:28:22 <tflink> as a group, anyways - there is no reason not to take RC4 but there are no criterion violations it fixes either
16:28:22 <Viking-Ice> tflink, really you guys are netrual sliding to +1 and I'm +1
16:28:44 <jreznik> based on voting, seems we are pretty clear on shipping RC4
16:29:02 <tflink> Viking-Ice: I don't care enough to argue the point, though. +1 is fine
16:29:55 <jreznik> #info proposal #agreed to ship RC4 as final release (with no votes against)
16:30:03 <Viking-Ice> ack
16:30:12 <sgallagh> ack
16:30:14 <tflink> jreznik: are you looking for ack/nak/patch?
16:30:29 <tflink> ack if you are
16:30:37 <rbergeron> ack
16:30:46 <jreznik> tflink: yep, trying to copy the QA process (or sorry, not QA anymore but "Awesome testers" team
16:30:59 <nirik> ack
16:31:04 <tflink> jreznik: ok, wasn't sure due to the #info
16:31:20 <Martix> ack
16:31:35 <jreznik> have I messed it up? poor me :)
16:31:44 <jreznik> #agreed to ship RC4 as final release (with no votes against)
16:32:19 <jreznik> #action jreznik to announce the decision on lists
16:32:25 * Martix celebrates
16:32:45 <jreznik> dgilmore, nirik: as adamw told me - one note, fprintd should be pushed to stable as we decided to go with RC4
16:32:45 * sgallagh opens the champagne
16:32:47 * rbergeron runs for the bottle of champagne
16:32:49 <nirik> make it so. ;)
16:32:56 <jreznik> hats down!
16:33:01 <nirik> jreznik: ok.
16:33:04 * jreznik has a nice picture for you
16:33:27 <dgilmore> jreznik: ok
16:33:59 <jreznik> anything else needed from rel-eng/infra side now to release on Tuesday?
16:34:15 * nirik doesn't think so.
16:34:32 <dgilmore> jreznik: nope, just the finishing touches need doing
16:35:23 <jreznik> ok, thanks
16:35:40 <jreznik> time to poke marketing and rbergeron for release announcement
16:36:07 <rbergeron> hey. i'm poked
16:37:08 <jreznik> hope you will be able to see it - but anaconda has a new friend! https://www.dropbox.com/s/zlp6whwxpjmlz3v/13010009.jpg
16:38:07 <nirik> nice
16:38:08 <Martix> :-D
16:38:31 * jreznik visited the anaconda team cubicle today with spherical cow :)
16:38:32 <nonamedotc> that's pretty nice! :)
16:38:53 <jreznik> I hope to get better pictures tmrw :)
16:39:05 <jreznik> anything else for now?
16:39:09 <Martix> jreznik: for announcements?
16:39:43 <jreznik> #open floor
16:40:05 * rbergeron hands jreznik a topic
16:40:20 <jreznik> again :D
16:40:28 <jreznik> better to set fuse
16:40:41 <rbergeron> jreznik: is that a balloon? or stuffed animal cow
16:41:19 <jreznik> rbergeron: stuffed cow
16:41:28 <jreznik> actually antistress one :)
16:42:16 <jreznik> so the last call - anything to add except the drink?
16:42:21 <jreznik> 3
16:43:00 <jreznik> 2
16:43:42 <jreznik> 1
16:44:19 <jreznik> thanks for coming everyone, for great job on F18, even dirty one sometimes and so on, on, on!
16:45:07 <jreznik> #endmeeting