17:00:25 <sesivany> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2013-01-14
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17:00:33 <sesivany> #meetingname famsco
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17:00:41 <sesivany> #topic Roll call
17:00:43 <tuanta> .fas tuanta
17:00:43 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
17:00:47 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
17:00:47 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com>
17:00:47 <sesivany> .fas eischmann
17:00:49 <zodbot> sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
17:01:24 <sesivany> aeperezt, bckurera: ping
17:01:26 <cwickert> ping nb nb_ aeperezt bckurera
17:01:30 <cwickert> :)
17:01:36 <tuanta> ping bckurera
17:01:40 <cwickert> hahaha
17:01:48 <aeperezt> .fas aeperezt
17:01:48 <zodbot> aeperezt: aeperezt 'Alejandro Perez' <alejandro.perez.torres@gmail.com>
17:01:48 <cwickert> enough pinging I guess
17:01:55 <tuanta> :)
17:01:57 <herlo> .fas herlo
17:01:57 <zodbot> herlo: herlo 'Clint Savage' <herlo1@gmail.com>
17:02:26 <cwickert> ah, there he
17:02:39 <sesivany> great, we have a quorum :)
17:02:44 <cwickert> herlo: just pinged you in #fedora-ambassadors
17:02:58 <herlo> see that :)
17:04:02 <cwickert> anybody knows what's up with bckurera and nb recently? haven't seen them attending much meetings
17:04:15 <cwickert> and don't recall any of them sending regrets
17:04:23 <sesivany> #info present: sesivany, cwickert, aeperezt, herlo, tuanta
17:04:48 <sesivany> #chair sesivany cwickert aeperezt herlo tuanta
17:04:48 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeperezt cwickert herlo sesivany tuanta
17:05:11 <herlo> nb was here last week iirc
17:05:16 <sesivany> ok, let's start.
17:05:55 <sesivany> #topic announcements
17:05:55 * tuanta changes to a faster internet connection
17:06:07 <sesivany> any announcements?
17:06:09 <cwickert> !
17:06:14 <sesivany> cwickert: go ahead
17:06:27 <cwickert> Fedora 18 will be released tomorrow! woo-ho!
17:06:36 <cwickert> eof
17:06:37 <sesivany> cwickert: finally :)
17:06:52 <aeperezt> yeah :-)
17:07:15 <sesivany> btw we received the results of community survey (read ambassadors list).
17:07:23 <cwickert> huh?
17:07:25 <sesivany> but I think it's worth a separate topic
17:07:49 <herlo> FUDCon starts on Friday, because of which I will not be at next week's FAmSCo meeting.
17:07:57 <bckurera> i m here :)
17:07:59 <sesivany> cwickert: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2013-January/020736.html
17:08:01 <bckurera> sorry for getting later
17:08:35 <sesivany> herlo: I won't be here either, will be on the plane back home.
17:08:37 * herlo also highlights his FAmA improvement session for those who might want to share the word.
17:09:00 <herlo> sesivany: yes, my reason exactly.
17:09:12 <cwickert> hold on
17:09:22 <cwickert> what improvement session?
17:09:50 <sesivany> herlo: I will surely attend. I'd like to do something similar, but for FAm worldwide.
17:09:56 <herlo> sesivany: yes, that is my plan
17:09:59 <herlo> cwickert: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Lawrence_2013#Technical_sessions_.28Friday.29
17:10:14 <herlo> bottom line in that table: Improving the FAmA (Fedora Ambassador Administration) Mentoring Process
17:10:21 <cwickert> ah
17:10:28 <bckurera> cwickert : I was busy with Google Code In : and I missed a meeting that is all :) . From today I m free since it ends today :)
17:10:44 <cwickert> so, can we please do one thing at a time?
17:10:53 <herlo> cwickert: we're doing announcements, nothing more
17:11:16 <cwickert> sure, but I think we have no real announcements
17:11:28 <sesivany> cwickert: do you want to discuss Kital's mail?
17:11:33 <herlo> I think my fudcon announcement is nice.
17:11:38 <cwickert> hold on please
17:12:05 <cwickert> herlo: thanks for the session. unfortunately I cannot attend, but I'd like you to do me a favor
17:12:29 <cwickert> can we change the mentoring process to not start with applying for group membership?
17:12:41 <cwickert> do we want to quickly discuss this?
17:12:56 <herlo> cwickert: no, we can't change that
17:13:09 <cwickert> #topic Mentoring process
17:13:38 <cwickert> herlo: why not? We changed it for the packagers, too
17:13:38 <herlo> cwickert: why do you want to change that? It works well and I'm actually developing software around the process as it stands.
17:13:56 <cwickert> ok, I see several problems with it:
17:14:00 <herlo> cwickert: yes, but having a fas account and applying for membership is natural.
17:14:16 <herlo> cwickert: let's not hijack the meeting over this.
17:14:33 <herlo> we can discuss offline or at FUDCon/mailing list/etc
17:14:34 <cwickert> your wish is my command
17:14:41 <cwickert> I am not at FUDCON
17:14:44 <cwickert> I just told you so
17:14:51 <herlo> I know, I also gave other options.
17:15:04 <cwickert> it was brought up on the mailing list already
17:15:07 <cwickert> nothing happened
17:15:25 <herlo> I responded with my reasons there, if it's the same thread you mention
17:15:50 <herlo> cwickert: or we can make it a meeting agenda item. I'm happy to discuss in open floor today too
17:15:59 <herlo> just don't want it to get in the way of other items already on the agenda
17:16:18 <cwickert> ok
17:16:18 <sesivany> herlo: let's make a ticket for it, so that we can track it.
17:16:32 <bckurera> sesivany agree with you
17:16:36 <herlo> sesivany: sure. sounds good to me
17:17:10 <sesivany> cwickert: can you create the ticket?
17:17:42 <cwickert> yes
17:18:13 <sesivany> #action cwickert to create a ticket abouth mentoring process changes
17:18:35 <sesivany> anything else to this?
17:19:01 <cwickert> ?
17:19:14 <cwickert> in famsco trac of fama trac?
17:19:14 <sesivany> IMHO the main topic today are the regional budgets for FY14. I'd like to get to that.
17:19:51 <sesivany> cwickert: famsco IMO, if we want to track the discussion for our meetings.
17:20:02 <cwickert> ok, thanks
17:20:12 <bckurera_> Almost 0.5 hours gone, can we start the main topic the budget, please
17:20:27 <sesivany> bckurera: yes, let's do it.
17:20:39 <sesivany> #topic FY14 regional budgets
17:20:58 <sesivany> today is the deadline for first drafts of regional budgets.
17:21:07 <sesivany> I'll start with EMEA
17:21:26 <sesivany> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EMEA/Budget
17:21:45 <sesivany> cwickert: I added swag and shipping cost.
17:22:12 <sesivany> we got up to $29900 and there is no reserve yet.
17:23:03 <tuanta> ?
17:23:12 <sesivany> tuanta: shoot
17:23:25 <tuanta> is there any limit?
17:23:53 <sesivany> cwickert: what was the limit per region for regional support?
17:23:54 <tuanta> actually, I see we got about $80k-$100k per year
17:24:00 <tuanta> eof
17:24:14 <sesivany> tuanta: well, that's not certainly possible :)
17:24:19 <cwickert> sesivany: I 100 k
17:24:27 <herlo> I would say that the limit is based upon need. We ask for what we think we need and we are granted based upon that.
17:24:29 <sesivany> cwickert: for all regions, right?
17:24:33 <cwickert> yes :)
17:24:40 <cwickert> only for EMEA would be nice ;)
17:24:58 <cwickert> and in fact I think there is a reserve
17:25:07 <cwickert> have a look at the Austrian Events
17:25:21 <sesivany> herlo: yes, if the limit is about $25k, you can ask for 30 if you need it, but you can't certainly get 100k.
17:25:24 <cwickert> we said we are going to do all of them and each will be at least 300 EUR
17:25:30 <bckurera_> For budget there would be no limits, it is like saying how much we need, in the other hand we can see how much we are getting, so we need to adjust our plans :)
17:25:42 <herlo> sesivany: well, like I said, budgeting is about determining need, not setting a limit
17:25:55 <herlo> sesivany: but I don't expect anyone will request $100k :D
17:26:08 <cwickert> let's face it, we will not have the manpower to do all events in Austria, we need to focus on the most important ones
17:26:29 <cwickert> so it will be only be 2 or three times 300 EUR and not 5 or 6 times
17:26:44 <sesivany> herlo: sure, but we have to adjust it at least a bit to the reality. Making a budget of 100k if you know you can possibly get, say, 35k is not a very good idea.
17:26:47 <cwickert> I expect the EMEA budget to be less than 30k in the end
17:27:03 <tuanta> cwickert: it makes sense
17:27:04 <herlo> cwickert: probably good to discuss the details of the emea budget elsewhere. We're just doing an overview, no?
17:27:21 <cwickert> I did not want to discuss the details here
17:27:24 <herlo> sesivany: I think we're on the same page here.
17:27:29 <sesivany> herlo: sure, anyone else wants to show a draft?
17:27:34 <cwickert> I just wanted to explain why I think there is a reserve
17:27:50 <cwickert> 30 is the maximum, we will not need more, probably less
17:27:51 <herlo> sesivany: we don't have one yet. FADNA is on Thursday
17:28:03 <herlo> cwickert: understood
17:28:09 <sesivany> herlo: no problem
17:28:20 <sesivany> what about APAC and LATAM?
17:28:23 <cwickert> in fact this is a problem I think
17:28:38 <bckurera_> For APAC we are about to finalize the 1st budget proposal
17:28:46 <bckurera_> it is about SWAG production
17:29:02 * herlo should note that NA *may* have a budget of which he isn't aware, as he wasn't able to attend last week's FAMNA meeting.
17:29:17 <bckurera_> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2013-January/020762.html
17:29:28 <bckurera_> this would be around USD7k
17:29:38 <cwickert> ?
17:29:44 <bckurera_> yes
17:30:03 <bckurera_> cwickert please !
17:30:09 <cwickert> can you give us a rough number for the totals? I see all the countries made their individual budgets
17:30:37 <sesivany> cwickert: tuanta just did: 80-100k :)
17:30:47 <bckurera_> cwickert budget for events is not yet finalized
17:30:55 <tuanta> sesivany: no :)
17:31:06 <bckurera_> we need to work on that
17:31:17 <bckurera_> most of them think of the cost of SWAG too
17:31:21 <sesivany> bckurera_: ok
17:31:34 <bckurera_> but this time will centrally produce SWAG and distribute
17:31:45 <bckurera_> that would be a goal for me as noted in last FAmSCo :)
17:31:59 <tuanta> cwickert: we will have a aggregation, but roughly, total budget for all APAC countries (which proposed) is about 17k
17:32:10 <bckurera_> so budget for SWAG would be 90% completed and it would be 7k
17:32:37 <sesivany> that's a reasonable amount.
17:32:49 <tuanta> I will put all of them into one wiki page like EMEA one
17:32:50 <cwickert> frankly speaking I am very concerned about the APAC budget
17:33:08 <bckurera_> cwickert so do we :)
17:33:13 <nb> hi
17:33:14 <cwickert> there are countries who have not reported a single event in the last year but suddenly request 6-8k
17:33:36 <tuanta> cwickert: so do I. it's the first time we involved to this kind of hard task
17:34:07 <sesivany> cwickert: let's wait for the first draft, then we can judge it.
17:34:14 <cwickert> we are running late
17:34:43 <tuanta> cwickert: yes, I think we will have to discuss more about these requests with the owners
17:34:48 <aeperezt> Latam
17:34:56 <aeperezt> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Budget
17:35:38 <cwickert> aeperezt: well done!
17:35:50 <aeperezt> that budget is based on what we support last year and a few other new events where people commited to be in charge
17:35:55 <aeperezt> so I added owner
17:35:56 <sesivany> aeperezt: the total is 11.8k, are you planning to add more items?
17:36:19 <aeperezt> it still need some
17:36:44 <aeperezt> sorry looking for the right word on english
17:36:53 <tuanta> cwickert: yes, I see. I will take notes to all requests, discuss first on mailing lists then bring to the next APAC meeting.
17:37:16 <aeperezt> I think yes I will include a couple more
17:37:23 <aeperezt> but not big budgets
17:37:37 <sesivany> I think the reasonable amount every region can ask for is $30k, but I don't want to spend it just because we can. We have to spend it wisely.
17:37:40 <bckurera_> tuanta I dont think we have time for that :)
17:38:04 <aeperezt> also I need to add some money for shipping swags around latam, that has never been done so no Idea how much will
17:38:05 <aeperezt> be
17:38:23 <aeperezt> so I think will add around 2500
17:38:24 <aeperezt> more
17:38:25 <sesivany> so I'd rather have a smaller budget than spending money on unnecessary things.
17:38:33 <tuanta> sesivany: +1. that's why we need to make a good plan first
17:38:59 <sesivany> I'd like to set a roadmap for this...
17:39:17 <sesivany> EMEA is pretty much done. LATAM is very close. NA will work on it this week.
17:39:28 <sesivany> I need some date from APAC.
17:39:54 <tuanta> bckurera: we are late, I see. But having a good plan is more important.
17:40:09 <sesivany> I think Jan 28th should be a hard deadline because it's already close to the beginning of FY14.
17:40:35 <tuanta> sesivany: we will have a final draft to discuss in the next FAmSCo meeting
17:40:35 <bckurera> sesivany : agree with 28th +1
17:40:51 <sesivany> tuanta: ok, great.
17:41:07 <tuanta> so the next deadline for that final draft should be 21st Jan
17:41:27 <bckurera> yes 50% is already done only the budget on event should be finalized in apac
17:41:37 <sesivany> herlo: will you be able to make it by Jan 21st?
17:41:54 <sesivany> the same questions goes to LATAM, aeperezt.
17:42:11 <aeperezt> sesivany, Think yes
17:42:29 <herlo> sesivany: possibly, I'm not the one in charge, so I can let you know this week at FUDCon for sure. the 21st is the day we all fly back from FUDCon so I won't be at the meeting anyway.
17:43:00 <bckurera> herlo is there any budget wrangler for NA?
17:43:14 <sesivany> I'd keep the Jan 28th, but we will superduper sure that it's done by that date.
17:43:19 <herlo> bckurera: I believe it's jbwilia (aka Southern_Gentlem)
17:43:38 <bckurera> herlo : thanks for info
17:44:12 <sesivany> tuanta, bckurera: but you can work on delivering the final verion by the next Mon and discuss it with others at the meeting.
17:44:16 <Southern_Gentlem> bckurera,  We will be working on our budget over the FADNA and Fudcon
17:44:30 <sesivany> the next week is just a safe zone for last changes.
17:44:45 <tuanta> sesivany: understood
17:45:32 <sesivany> #info Jan 28th is a hard deadline for submitting final drafts of regional budgets
17:45:59 <sesivany> anything else to budgets?
17:46:52 <sesivany> if not, let's discuss the survey results/analysis.
17:47:20 <sesivany> #topic Community programs analysis
17:47:47 <sesivany> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2013-January/020736.html
17:48:01 <sesivany> has anyone read this?
17:48:23 <sesivany> I think there are some valid points.
17:48:52 <aeperezt> sesivany, I read it
17:49:14 * herlo didn't see this...
17:49:43 <sesivany> an interesting thing is that they say we support individuals (ambassadors) and Ubuntu support communities (LoCo).
17:49:58 <Southern_Gentlem> ?
17:50:07 <cwickert> this is something different than the survey
17:50:21 <sesivany> cwickert: what do you mean?
17:50:28 <herlo> interesting
17:50:47 <cwickert> rbergeron and the board want to make a community survey
17:51:11 <cwickert> so at the beginning of the meeting, when you said the results of the survey were available, I was surprised
17:51:27 <cwickert> because the survey hasn't even started and this is something different
17:51:30 <sesivany> cwickert: this was the survey for newcomers (done with Ubuntu, GNOME, Mozilla,..., and Fedora).
17:51:45 <cwickert> was this really a *survey*?
17:51:54 <sesivany> cwickert: it wasn't organized by us.
17:52:03 <cwickert> yes, somebody did it for GNOME
17:52:20 <cwickert> to improve their newcomers experience
17:52:31 <Southern_Gentlem> well ambassadors should be supporting there communites b) has anyone asked a loco group how much support they get from ubuntu?
17:52:37 <sesivany> cwickert: https://limesurvey.sim.vuw.ac.nz/index.php?sid=89971&lang=en
17:53:10 <cwickert> sesivany: ?
17:53:34 <Southern_Gentlem> ubuntu loco groups get NO support from Ubuntu from the groups i see at linuxfest
17:53:37 <sesivany> the thing is that IMHO LoCo produces separate local communities which don't really cooperate with anyone else. I think we're doing much better with FAm.
17:53:44 <cwickert> Southern_Gentlem: right, I think this person just looked at the websites and the wiki pages
17:54:00 <sesivany> because ambassadors cooperate within regions much more than their LoCos.
17:54:18 <cwickert> If they had really done a survey among loco people, I think they would be very unhappy
17:54:32 <Southern_Gentlem> sesivany,  ilookat thier loco group as another local lug
17:54:47 <sesivany> cwickert: yeah, but still it's a perspective of an outsider. It's always worth reading.
17:54:50 <tuanta> Southern_Gentlem: big +1
17:55:34 <cwickert> sesivany: sure, but lets not mix things ;) this was not a survey and the survey you linked is not Fedora's survey either
17:55:43 <sesivany> btw this mail is being discussed internally in OSAS. I told them they're welcome to discuss it with FAmSCo.
17:55:52 <cwickert> this analysis is purely based on the websites
17:55:54 <aeperezt> Southern_Gentlem, you right, but seems like our program and how we support our communities is lose and cant be found in the web
17:56:16 <cwickert> like, there was no analysis how much people Fedora and Ubuntu send to events
17:56:20 <sesivany> cwickert: well, this version is for Perl, but there was a version for Fedora too.
17:56:24 <Southern_Gentlem> aeperezt, that actually should be the event and event reports
17:56:27 <sesivany> cwickert: mizmo was involved.
17:56:41 <cwickert> sesivany: in this analysis?
17:57:21 <sesivany> cwickert: this is what she sent to the ambassadors mailing list: https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/666038-survey-how-important-is-newcomer-experience-in-free-open-source-software-projects
17:57:22 <aeperezt> Southern_Gentlem, yes but outsider did not match it up with amassadors program
17:57:57 <sesivany> cwickert: "Fedora wasn't initially included in the list of projects for the survey, but Kevin very kindly offered to add Fedora to the list."
17:58:22 * cwickert is getting more and more confused
17:58:33 <cwickert> sesivany: is this yet another survey?!
17:58:43 <Southern_Gentlem> aeperezt, so as always we need to advertise and work closer with the marketing people and generate good pamplets showing what we do
17:59:21 * rbergeron looks at her name up above
17:59:30 <aeperezt> Southern_Gentlem, +1
17:59:37 <sesivany> cwickert: it's still the same survey. Done by some university guy for several open source projects.
17:59:39 <cwickert> sesivany: yes, it is something different, see https://limesurvey.sim.vuw.ac.nz/index.php?sid=65151&lang=en vs. https://limesurvey.sim.vuw.ac.nz/index.php?sid=89971&lang=en
17:59:57 <cwickert> ok, can we please not mix things again?!
18:00:13 <cwickert> can we just talk about the *analysis* done for the GNOME project?
18:01:08 <sesivany> cwickert: yes, but it was all one survey, with just different entering sites for every project. I just looked up the Perl one, that's it.
18:01:21 <cwickert> hold on
18:01:26 <cwickert> I don't get it
18:01:36 <cwickert> you mentioned the mail that was sent to ambassadors list
18:01:46 <cwickert> it does not say anything about a survey
18:02:16 <sesivany> cwickert: ok, let's focus on the analysis.
18:02:25 <cwickert> and I don't think for that one a survey was done, that is just comparing websites, wiki, structure and governance
18:02:52 <cwickert> in order to improve the experience for new GNOME contributors
18:03:03 <sesivany> cwickert: you may be right
18:03:12 <cwickert> I think there are some important bits in there, but for others he misses the point completely
18:03:23 <sesivany> cwickert: I'm mixing two things together probably.
18:03:31 <cwickert> first of all the ambassadors are not meant to be a beginners group
18:03:59 <cwickert> I'm not sure they can be compared to Ubuntu's loco teams
18:04:10 <cwickert> in fact, we don't have something like the loco teams
18:04:57 <cwickert> ok, do we agree to the findings of this analysis?
18:05:01 <sesivany> cwickert: we don't, but they have some similar tasks as our ambassadors (local support, promotion, event presence,...).
18:05:47 <cwickert> sure, but this was not evaluated. while there are more loco people than ambassadors (I guess), we rock events better than Ubuntu
18:05:51 <sesivany> cwickert: well, I don't agree completely, not at all. But there are some valid bits.
18:05:56 <cwickert> ack
18:06:40 <sesivany> but I don't think we can do much about the valid points.
18:07:05 <sesivany> such as having a nice cool website for newcomers etc.
18:07:33 <cwickert> this is something I don't agree to
18:07:39 <cwickert> he writes: "The wiki is a bit boring, to be honest. It lacks the colorfulness of mozilla.org and the 1-2-3 steps of ubuntu.com"
18:07:46 <sesivany> I understand wiki is not the most friendly presentation tool, but it's the best tool we can handle as a community.
18:08:05 <cwickert> I agree we don't have fancy graphics, but we have a click trough wizard to join the ambassadors
18:08:15 <cwickert> and I am not sure if we can improve it
18:09:16 <cwickert> do you guys think we need better graphics?
18:09:21 <tuanta> +1 cwickert. that's a good/easy-to-understand process
18:09:44 <sesivany> "Has an structure around regions and a central committee. Much like LoCo teams, but feels a bit more "RedHat-ish". Specially considering those stock market names:  Asia Pacific (APAC), Europe, Middle East, and Africa (EMEA), Latin America (LATAM), and North America (NA)." This is kinda interesting point of view. I've never thought of it like this.
18:10:07 <sesivany> does it feel too corporate-ish to you? :)
18:10:40 <sesivany> and is it bad or good? I think it's completely irrelevant, neutral.
18:10:43 <cwickert> not at all. it's just the regions, but that doesn't make it salesman'ish
18:10:56 <tuanta> this is not "RedHat-ish". it's American-style :)
18:11:06 <aeperezt> tuanta, +1
18:12:04 <sesivany> anyway, I just wanted to bring it up as another look at our program. That's it.
18:12:21 <sesivany> cwickert: btw kital forwarded it to our mailing list.
18:12:51 <tuanta> personally, I don't think the "survey" owner tried to "live" in the real community before making that report
18:12:58 <bckurera> we are running too late, can we end up the meeting
18:13:19 <cwickert> lets open a ticket for this one
18:13:33 <cwickert> or better on the mailing list?
18:13:33 <bckurera> we should be with in time limit of 1 hours I think
18:13:49 <tuanta> just something got from websites, wikis, etc
18:13:55 * cwickert things mailing list is best
18:14:11 <sesivany> ok, I'll forward it to our mailing list.
18:14:27 <cwickert> I think it is on the list already
18:14:39 <cwickert> I mean, we can just continue on the ambassadors list
18:14:45 <sesivany> cwickert: ok then
18:14:59 <cwickert> ok, but please everybody, reply
18:15:10 <sesivany> anything else to discuss tonight?
18:15:18 <tuanta> sesivany: you meant forwarding to famsco mailing list? it's not necessary, I think
18:15:34 <sesivany> #topic openfloor
18:15:58 <nb> FADNA is coming up in 2 days
18:16:03 <nb> or 3 i mean
18:16:30 <tuanta> hello nb :)
18:16:39 <nb> hi
18:16:39 <sesivany> nb: yes, herlo told us. Too bad I'll arrive too late to join.
18:17:01 <sesivany> if there is anything else to discuss, I'll end the meeting.
18:17:15 <herlo> cwickert: did you want to discuss the fama joining process?
18:17:31 <herlo> or would you prefer to do it elsewhere? I know it's getting late for you.
18:18:47 <cwickert> I will just bring it up in the ticket
18:18:57 <tuanta> it's over 1 am here, too late for me. it's really better if we can complete the meeting within an hour.
18:18:57 <cwickert> In fact I already have started creating one
18:19:39 <sesivany> ok, let's end the meeting. Thank you, everyone, for coming.
18:20:09 <sesivany> cwickert: will you be able to chair the meeting next week since I and herlo will be flying home?
18:20:14 <cwickert> sure
18:20:20 <herlo> cwickert: sounds good
18:20:22 <nb> and i will be also
18:20:26 <cwickert> I doubt there will be a meeting
18:20:36 <cwickert> should we just officially cancel it?
18:20:52 <nb> #proposal cancel next week's meeting since many of us will be traveling home from FUDCon Lawrence
18:20:56 <cwickert> +1
18:21:01 <sesivany> +1
18:21:04 <nb> +1
18:21:08 <tuanta> +1
18:21:10 <herlo> +1
18:21:14 <aeperezt> +|
18:21:17 <aeperezt> +1
18:21:20 <cwickert> there is not much we can do as long as not all regions have finished their budgets
18:21:45 <cwickert> #action all regions to finish their budgets pleeeease
18:21:59 <tuanta> lets discuss the regional budget on mailing list
18:22:04 <nb> can someone #agreed cancel next week's meeting since many of us will be traveling home from FUDCon Lawrence
18:22:10 * nb doesn't htink he has a chair or he would do it
18:22:25 <herlo> #chair nb
18:22:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeperezt cwickert herlo nb sesivany tuanta
18:22:36 <nb> #agreed cancel next week's meeting since many of us will be traveling home from FUDCon Lawrence
18:22:45 <nb> thanks herlo
18:22:48 <herlo> np
18:23:10 * bckurera not having #chair but it is ok :)
18:23:19 <nb> cwickert, sesivany what is emea doing for media?
18:23:38 <nb> right now the multidesktop script doesn't do secureboot
18:23:43 <nb> although dgilmore was saying they are working on it
18:23:43 <tuanta> #chair bckurera
18:23:43 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeperezt bckurera cwickert herlo nb sesivany tuanta
18:23:45 <sesivany> nb: emea is waiting and hoping spot will fix the uefi issue soon.
18:23:57 <nb> sesivany, ok, i think that is what we are doing too in NA
18:24:04 * bckurera thanks tuan
18:24:20 <nb> robyn is checking on the status of the PO so i'm not actually sure if iti s ready yet anyway
18:24:29 <sesivany> nb: but I can hold it just for several days, it's already partly in production.
18:25:18 <nb> oh
18:26:00 <sesivany> nb: spot says he'll fix it before going to FUDCon. Fingers crossed.
18:26:16 <spot> sesivany: peter and i are working hard on it
18:26:48 <nb> sesivany, spot great
18:28:42 * sesivany is ending the meeting. Thank you for coming.
18:28:48 <sesivany> #endmeeting