17:00:04 <sesivany> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2013-01-28
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17:00:10 <sesivany> #meetingname famsco
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17:00:12 <nb> hi
17:00:16 <sesivany> #topic Roll call
17:00:17 <aeperezt> helo
17:00:18 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
17:00:18 <tuanta> .fas tuanta
17:00:18 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com>
17:00:21 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
17:00:22 <aeperezt> .fas aeperezt
17:00:22 <sesivany> .fas eischmann
17:00:24 <zodbot> aeperezt: aeperezt 'Alejandro Perez' <alejandro.perez.torres@gmail.com>
17:00:27 <zodbot> sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
17:00:55 <sesivany> great, we reached the quorum in a few sec :)
17:01:05 <sesivany> let's wait a few more minutes for others.
17:01:37 <sesivany> #chair sesivany cwickert aeperezt tuanta nb
17:01:37 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeperezt cwickert nb sesivany tuanta
17:01:38 <nb> .fas nick@bebout
17:01:39 <zodbot> nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' <nick@bebout.net>
17:02:53 <sesivany> did anyone send regrets? I haven't seen any, but I didn't check email much today.
17:03:55 <tuanta> no one sent regret today
17:04:26 <sesivany> ok, let's start. Others can join us during the meeting.
17:04:34 <sesivany> #info present: sesivany, tuanta, cwickert, nb, aeperezt
17:04:47 <sesivany> #topic Announcements
17:04:57 <sesivany> any announcements, anyone?
17:05:23 <cwickert> nope
17:05:45 <sesivany> FUDCon took place last weekend.
17:06:11 <sesivany> too bad I arrived too late because my journey was totally fucked up :-(
17:06:30 <sesivany> but I did have a meeting with rbergeron.
17:07:22 <sesivany> first of all, she agreed with our FAD process proposal.
17:07:35 <sesivany> the budget owner for FADs will be rsuehle
17:07:38 * cwickert had already sorted that out with her
17:08:14 <sesivany> cwickert: yeah, but the budget owner wasnt still clear, but Ruth in person agreed with that.
17:08:17 <tuanta> great, finally, we got one
17:08:35 * cwickert is not too optimistic
17:08:47 <sesivany> cwickert: we'll see...
17:08:53 <tuanta> lets see
17:09:04 <sesivany> if there are no other announcements, let's move to topics...
17:09:15 <sesivany> #topic Regional budgets for FY14
17:09:36 <sesivany> today is the deadline for regional budget we set two weeks ago.
17:09:48 <aeperezt> !
17:09:48 <sesivany> tuanta: did you finish yours?
17:09:52 <nb> NA's is done
17:10:04 <aeperezt> Latam is done
17:10:15 <tuanta> APAC's is done
17:10:21 <cwickert> .famsco 279
17:10:21 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/279
17:10:21 <sesivany> nb: I saw yours. Since you did it with rbergeron, I guess it's pretty much approved :)
17:10:37 <tuanta> :)
17:11:05 <cwickert> ?
17:11:17 <sesivany> cwickert: shoot
17:11:19 <cwickert> where is the NA budget?
17:11:57 <sesivany> cwickert: I saw just a spreadsheet
17:12:10 <sesivany> cwickert: they should make it publicly available though
17:12:10 <cwickert> nb: can you share some insight?
17:12:20 <nb> https://docs.google.com/a/bebout.net/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApBrbq5j6NbOdG0zQzVvR3VqQ05NaE5xaDdLOWh3a0E&pli=1#gid=0
17:12:37 <nb> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApBrbq5j6NbOdG0zQzVvR3VqQ05NaE5xaDdLOWh3a0E&pli=1#gid=0 i mean
17:12:49 <tuanta> the totalis $54.5k, right?
17:13:43 <tuanta> a huge amount
17:13:47 <sesivany> nb: if you want to keep it in Google Docs, no problem. But there should be some budget wiki page that will point to it.
17:14:14 <nb> ok
17:14:41 <sesivany> and everyone please add links to your budgets to the ticket #279.
17:14:55 <cwickert> ok, lets face it: This has become kind of a "I want a pink pony" thing and we ave waaaayyyyy over the limit
17:15:20 <herlo> cwickert: keep in mind that budgets are *not* what we will get, but rather what we are asking for
17:15:25 <cwickert> I mean, seriously, we have a budget of 80 k, and NA wants 55 of it?
17:15:46 <herlo> cwickert: a budget is a projection of what we would like to spend for the FY
17:15:55 <herlo> the 'approved' budget is a completely different thing
17:15:59 <nb> cwickert, we can ask for a budget of more than 80k
17:16:09 <nb> doesn't mean we will get it, but we can ask
17:16:10 <herlo> we can ask for whatever we want, including pink ponies
17:16:18 <sesivany> cwickert: let rbergeron deal with it
17:16:18 <cwickert> sure, if we can make sure to spend the money wisely
17:16:32 <herlo> cwickert: and everything in the NA budget is a reasonable request actually
17:16:52 <cwickert> however, I think that if some regions now want 2 or 3 times of what the had last year, I doubt these are reasonable figures
17:16:55 <herlo> we went through it at FADNA, spent most of a day working on the details, hashing it out. In fact, i think some of it was streamed ....
17:17:07 <herlo> cwickert: sure, but how do you get them to give you more money if you don't ask?
17:17:53 <cwickert> herlo: you can ask for +20% or maybe +30%, but not for +200%-300%
17:18:17 <herlo> cwickert: I don't think that's applicable really.
17:18:21 <cwickert> if the growth isn't realistic, the budget is questionable
17:18:26 <herlo> cwickert: for one, we got less last year because we didn't ask
17:18:41 <herlo> additionally, the budget is realistic and possible
17:18:43 <cwickert> ok, take the year before last year then
17:18:45 <herlo> at least for NA
17:19:23 <herlo> cwickert: the point here is that you are trying to restrict what we are asking for, why not let those who grant budget decide whether it's too much and how much to give each region?
17:19:51 <herlo> I don't expect NA will get more than 10-15% more than last year, but we can ask. I also think we spent around $35k last year iirc
17:20:07 <cwickert> in FY11, that was before the big chaos, NA spent $36,855
17:20:10 <herlo> $55k is not quite even an 100% increase
17:20:17 <herlo> exactly
17:20:27 <sesivany> I kinda agree with herlo. If rbergeron is able to to find money for that, good for them.
17:20:39 <cwickert> ok, should we just collect what we have then?
17:20:41 <herlo> i also think all the other regions shoulddo the same
17:20:54 <herlo> get as much as you can for your region as long as it's reasonable
17:21:00 <herlo> show you can use it
17:21:17 <herlo> give a budget with the value you can add for the events and other things you plan to do in 2013 :)
17:21:32 <herlo> that is, if you haven't already.
17:21:34 <sesivany> herlo: well, that's the case, I don't want to raise the amount just because we can.
17:21:37 <tuanta> as far as we can spend them wisely, I think it's possible
17:21:45 <herlo> sesivany: reasonable, and justified.
17:21:45 <sesivany> there needs to be some fundamentals behind it, a plan.
17:21:57 <herlo> sesivany: agreed. I'm saying exactly that
17:23:10 <sesivany> #action every region to add a link to their budget draft to #279
17:23:32 <cwickert> I'm afraid the "get as much as you can" mentality has reached a limit that is no longer reasonable. I mean, we have countries that suddenly request 5 times as much as they spent last year
17:23:44 <cwickert> anyway, what do we have?
17:23:51 <cwickert> 55k from NA
17:23:56 <aeperezt> If you planned right and are going to cover all events where most of the money is, and swags it seems good.
17:24:12 <sesivany> cwickert: EMEA is 30k
17:24:36 <sesivany> but there is no reserve. rbergeron says she'll deal with that.
17:24:40 <tuanta> cwickert: APAC 24k
17:25:08 <cwickert> aeperezt: LATAM?
17:25:12 <aeperezt> latam 17K
17:25:24 <tuanta> no reserve, too
17:25:41 <cwickert> ok, and how realistic are your budgets?
17:25:54 <herlo> that's only 126k, :)
17:25:57 <tuanta> total: 126k
17:26:01 <cwickert> I mean, in EMEA we will probably be under the 30k we requested
17:26:14 <cwickert> the 30 is only if we make all events we would like to do
17:26:23 <cwickert> and it we send as many people there as we would like
17:26:42 <sesivany> cwickert: on the other hand, there could be events we didn't plan. It happens, so I think 30k is pretty realistic.
17:26:49 <herlo> cwickert: in NA, we have new events we want to sponsor/attend, plus a bit more swag we want to create.
17:26:57 <herlo> if we don't get the funds, we'll cut that down some...
17:27:10 <cwickert> ok, lets collect that and fire it over at rbergeron
17:27:48 <sesivany> as I said, please add links to the ticket and I'll contact rbergeron to ask her to go through it.
17:28:43 <cwickert> ok, thanks
17:28:48 <sesivany> anything else to the budget topic?
17:29:05 <cwickert> not that I am aware off
17:29:26 <sesivany> ok, let's move on then...
17:29:58 <tuanta> ok
17:30:06 <cwickert> ?
17:30:11 <sesivany> #topic FUDCons
17:30:21 <sesivany> I'd like to discuss fudcons a bit.
17:30:37 * bckurera hi guys i m 30 mins late, will read logs
17:30:43 <sesivany> tuanta: you should really start working on that.
17:30:53 <sesivany> your fudcon is just a few months away.
17:31:05 <sesivany> and there hasnt even been a call for bids.
17:31:17 <nb> sesivany, i thought newfudcon was starting in june?
17:31:28 <nb> or has that not been announced yet?
17:31:29 * herlo heard something about this as well
17:31:45 <sesivany> nb: still not sure, but FUDCon APAC won't be affected by that anyway.
17:31:47 <tuanta> a good news: The Philippines team is currently preparing to submit their bid
17:31:57 <herlo> spot mentioned it to me in passing at the end of FUDCon Lawrence
17:31:58 <aeperezt> sesivany, Latam is waiting for rbergeron decision about the location Peru or Nicaragua, we need that so the winner team can start working on it
17:32:30 <sesivany> herlo: tell us the secret ;)
17:33:27 <herlo> sesivany: spot just asked if we were all ready to do this (FUDCon) all over again in 6 months. I don't know what the details are other than that, I think I missed a session or two that day :/
17:33:33 <nb> sesivany, basically the "one mega-fudcon per year"
17:33:33 <nb> afaik
17:33:45 <bckurera> sesivany we can discuss the timeline which suites for Ph, that is best
17:34:11 <tuanta> That is only one team up to now. However, PH team submitted their bid twice in last two years so I believe that they can do
17:34:15 <herlo> it's true, I don't think it affects current bids
17:34:34 <sesivany> herlo, nb: the idea rbergeron told me is that there would be one big fudcon to replace NA and EMEA ones, APAC and LATAM will keep theirs.
17:34:35 <tuanta> we will discuss more about this in APAC meeting this weekend
17:34:41 <nb> sesivany, oh ok
17:34:45 <bckurera> tuanta, will try best but there are lot to overcome
17:34:55 <herlo> sesivany: that's a great way to go....
17:35:15 <sesivany> so APAC and LATAM should plan their fudcons anyway since they won't be affected (most likely).
17:35:36 <tuanta> understood, sesivany
17:35:45 <bckurera> AFAIK mega fudcon will be around mid of this year, but donno much details of planning, should we look into this
17:35:47 <sesivany> that's why rbergeron asked me to hold the call for bids in EMEA for a few more weeks.
17:36:37 <sesivany> one of the problem with megafudcon is that it should be right after the release, but because our releases slip even by 2 months. It's difficult to plan it.
17:36:58 <tuanta> :)
17:37:07 <herlo> sesivany: there's talk of moving releases, too. At least from me... :)
17:37:57 <herlo> January/July were my suggestions, having FUDCon in late February/late August makes the weather so much easier to deal with in cold places.
17:38:04 <sesivany> anyway, the conclusion is that the superfudcon idea is still being discussed, so we have to hold preparations for EMEA fudcon, but APAC and LATAM should plan and work on their because those won't most likely be affected.
17:38:11 <herlo> whee
17:38:39 <sesivany> herlo: tell me about that my total delay was 55 hours because of snowing...
17:39:10 <tuanta> :(
17:39:19 <bckurera> sesivany,  i was planning APAC fducon from last term, but still no green light, it is not easy as it sees, but we wont give up, try n try :-)
17:39:30 <sesivany> which is the reason I didn't have an opportunity to meet you, herlo :-(
17:40:06 <herlo> sesivany: I was sad to have missed you
17:40:15 <tuanta> bckurera: we support PH team. I believe that they can do
17:40:16 <herlo> sesivany: did you actually make it to Lawrence?
17:40:27 <nb> i think sesivany did
17:40:33 <nb> but the hats were in his luggage that got lost
17:40:57 <sesivany> herlo: yeah, I arrived just before the fudpub and was there for Sun.
17:41:10 <bckurera> tuanta i hope for the best, we support
17:41:14 * herlo was there through Monday, I didn't hear you were around until it was time to leave. I thought I heard your name as I was packing up
17:41:29 <sesivany> nb: fortunately, I didn't take the hats, just a few samples. Kinda luck because otherwise they would be lost.
17:41:41 <aeperezt> sesivany, any way we can help rbergeron deside the location of fudcon latam
17:41:41 <nb> sesivany, oh good
17:41:48 * herlo gets back on topic
17:41:53 <sesivany> nb: I'll bring them to FOSDEM and rbergeron and rsuehle will take them to the US.
17:42:01 <nb> sesivany, ok great
17:42:09 <nb> sesivany, i saw some at fudcon and they looked great
17:42:15 <sesivany> aeperezt: please contact her in this matter
17:42:49 <sesivany> ok, I think we're clear in this.
17:43:05 <sesivany> anything else to this topic?
17:43:39 <cwickert> what about EMEA?
17:44:04 <cwickert> I mean, do we need a bit or not? is this Mega-FUDCon thin set in stone?
17:44:13 <sesivany> cwickert: as I said, rbergeron asked me to hold it for a few more weeks until they have a clear plan for the superfudcon.
17:44:42 <cwickert> ok, I guess our FUDCon would be in September/October again, so we still have time
17:44:55 <sesivany> cwickert: so APAC and LATAM are now GO, EMEA and NA are on hold.
17:45:29 <cwickert> ok
17:45:37 <sesivany> cwickert: but I'd like to know the plan by the end of Feb. We still need at least 6 months to plan.
17:45:45 <cwickert> agreed
17:46:19 <cwickert> #info submit your bids for FUDCon LATAM and APAC asap
17:46:39 <sesivany> cwickert: LATAm has bids, rbergeron just needs to decide.
17:46:46 * herlo prefers MEGA MEGA FUDCooooooooon!
17:46:53 <herlo> :)
17:46:57 <sesivany> cwickert: APAC needs to come up with bids, that's for sure.
17:47:03 * tuanta too :)
17:47:04 <cwickert> aeperezt: does the LATAM community have a preference?
17:47:27 <aeperezt> cwickert, no.
17:47:35 <cwickert> aeperezt: usually, you should discuss this in the regional meetings and then make a recommendation
17:47:39 <aeperezt> both locations are good for us
17:47:54 <cwickert> I mean, it's not that that rbergeron just throws a coin
17:47:57 <aeperezt> cwickert, we have go over them already
17:48:19 <sesivany> cwickert: we discussed it here some time ago
17:48:39 <sesivany> I personally liked the Peruvian bids a bit more.
17:48:43 <cwickert> ok, I don't want to further delay this meeting then
17:49:18 <cwickert> aeperezt: you might want to ask tatica for the matrix they used in earlier years
17:50:00 <sesivany> ok, another topic I'd like to discuss are Fedora media because we had some problems with them recently.
17:50:03 <aeperezt> cwickert, we follow that matrix
17:50:43 <cwickert> ok
17:50:49 <cwickert> lets move on
17:50:51 <sesivany> #topic Fedora media
17:51:31 <sesivany> I don't know if you're aware of that. But we had a problem with F18 media production because the ISO wasn't EFI/SecureBoot ready.
17:51:58 <sesivany> multidesktop live DVDs got fixed, but the installation DVD did not.
17:52:27 <sesivany> the question is if we still should produce the install DVDs and push for the fix, or just give it up.
17:52:52 <sesivany> what's your experience in other regions? do you still produce install DVDs?
17:52:54 <cwickert> can we increase the number of the live media instead?
17:53:12 <aeperezt> sesivany, latam does, specific Brasil
17:53:22 <cwickert> hold on
17:53:31 <cwickert> this only affects the multiboot images
17:53:41 <cwickert> this means dual arch dual layer DVDs
17:53:47 <sesivany> cwickert: in EMEA, we can't, it's too late, they should deliver it in two days.
17:53:49 <cwickert> the normal DVDs work fine
17:54:05 <cwickert> sesivany: so, what did you do?
17:54:22 <cwickert> did you cancel the DVDs or not?
17:54:34 <sesivany> cwickert: 4000 multidesktop live DVD for EMEA and 1000 for our office.
17:54:45 <cwickert> so only live this time?
17:54:46 <sesivany> cwickert: I cancelled the install dual arch ones.
17:54:50 <cwickert> ok, great
17:54:52 <sesivany> cwickert: yes
17:54:58 <cwickert> that's what I would have done, too
17:55:22 <sesivany> the question is if we want to go for them in the future
17:55:34 <sesivany> or just stick with live DVDs
17:55:53 <sesivany> in EMEA, only Africa asks for install DVDs.
17:55:53 <cwickert> nb: what about NA? you are doing dual arch install media, right?
17:56:59 <tuanta> we did some single layer DVDs (each per arch). they worked well.
17:57:26 <tuanta> I meant multi-desktop DVDs
17:57:48 <sesivany> tuanta: was it for F17 or F18?
17:57:56 <tuanta> F18
17:57:58 <bckurera> tuanta,  agree with you, we need multi-desktop most of the time 64 bits
17:58:24 <sesivany> tuanta: and was it UEFI-compatible?
17:58:30 <tuanta> bckurera: yes, we did 80% 64-bit and 20% 32bit
17:58:39 <tuanta> sesivany: we did not test that
17:59:04 <tuanta> we will see tomorrow
17:59:40 <sesivany> tuanta: the problem is that all those kinda custom glued ISOs are not UEFI-compatible which is one of the F18 feature we promote.
18:00:08 <sesivany> we had to wait for like two weeks to get our ISO fixed by spot.
18:00:13 <tuanta> yes, I remember
18:01:14 <sesivany> herlo, nb: are you with us?
18:01:20 <sesivany> nb_
18:02:19 <sesivany> cwickert: what's your opinion on that? I'm more for completely giving up the install DVDs. We didn't have them for F17 and we survived, we won't have now, too.
18:02:43 <cwickert> hold on
18:02:52 <herlo> sesivany: sorry, I am here. A bit slow...
18:03:00 <tuanta> sesivany: +1. multi-desktop LiveDVDs are much better
18:03:01 <cwickert> sesivany: you mean *completely* give them up or only dual arch?
18:03:32 <sesivany> cwickert: I'd produce just multidesktop live DVDs.
18:03:47 <sesivany> cwickert: no install DVDs
18:03:57 <cwickert> and we didn't have any installation DVDs with F17?
18:04:01 <cwickert> in EMEA I mean
18:04:29 <sesivany> cwickert: we did, but the bootloader was screwed, so we pull them off.
18:04:48 <cwickert> ah, right, I remember
18:05:03 <cwickert> anyway, I think this is something we should discuss with our community
18:05:24 <sesivany> cwickert: and moreover live ISOs are bigger now, so they accommodate more software such as Libreoffice for example.
18:05:34 <cwickert> well
18:05:41 <cwickert> this is going to become a problem
18:05:59 <cwickert> because we not only have bigger media
18:06:03 <cwickert> but also two new desktops
18:06:04 <sesivany> cwickert: ok, let's leave it for our meeting. I was just curious what experience they have in other regions.
18:07:03 <cwickert> I guess that if MATE and Cinnammn come up with spins, then they probably also demand being on the multi desktop live
18:07:08 <cwickert> and then we are oversized
18:07:23 <sesivany> cwickert: yeah, that's right.
18:07:52 <cwickert> but that's a different question
18:07:58 <cwickert> we need a smarter live installer
18:08:00 <cwickert> anyway
18:08:05 <sesivany> cwickert: what's on the ISO this time? still GNOME, KDE, Xfce, LXDE, Sugar?
18:08:10 <cwickert> ack
18:08:22 <cwickert> maybe it will work if we kick sugar
18:08:35 <tuanta> now it's fine. We did one for 32-bit and the other for 64-bit arch
18:09:08 <tuanta> each ò them contains GNOME, KDE, Xfce and LXDE
18:09:17 <tuanta> for choice
18:09:40 <sesivany> yeah, but we should deal with this problem when it's on the table. So maybe somewhen around F19.
18:10:30 <sesivany> ok, we've spent enough time on this. Let's move on?
18:10:51 <tuanta> ok
18:10:56 <sesivany> I've got one more topic to discuss
18:11:42 <sesivany> #topic Methods of reimbursement
18:11:57 <sesivany> I also spoke with rbergeron about reimbursement.
18:12:18 <sesivany> the good news is that we'll have wire transfers!
18:12:29 * cwickert does the lucky dance
18:12:29 <sesivany> at least for bigger amounts
18:12:40 <cwickert> what about corporate PayPal accounts?
18:12:49 <aeperezt> sesivany, nice
18:13:05 <sesivany> cwickert: corporate account is still in the works.
18:13:14 <sesivany> don't have much information about that.
18:14:01 <sesivany> the main problem with Paypal is that sender should be able to pay the fee.
18:14:16 <sesivany> that's what kital in EMEA doesn't or can't do.
18:14:29 <bckurera> There is a fee for wire transfer right?
18:15:06 <sesivany> bckurera: yes, but it should be covered by RHT, receivers won't pay any fee unless their bank change them for incoming payments.
18:15:51 <bckurera> sesivany,  so why the paypal fee annot be added to RH
18:16:02 <tuanta> banks in Vietnam often charge more about $25 for incoming :)
18:16:09 <tuanta> so I prefer PayPal
18:16:58 <sesivany> bckurera: I honestly don't know. In some accounts, we can't check that you want to pay the fee as a sender.
18:17:20 <bckurera> Really, will see
18:17:31 <sesivany> it always worked for me with private Paypal payments, but kital apparently has a problem with that.
18:17:43 <sesivany> cwickert: can you clarify that? do you know any details?
18:17:52 <bckurera> Innthat case will calculate the fee and add it to the amount sonthat receiver can pay it
18:17:58 <bckurera> :-)
18:18:35 <bckurera> I donot know we need to check this out and decide
18:18:50 <sesivany> bckurera: yeah, but the amount on the receipt has to fit, if you charge a different amount than it's on the receipt, it's a problem.
18:18:52 <bckurera> Gut i think wire is good for large amiunt rather than paypal
18:19:16 <bckurera> sesivany,  I dont think it is a big problem
18:19:29 <sesivany> and I'm not sure if PayPal gives you any receipt to the fee.
18:19:45 <bckurera> We can fix it since it is a standard charge/fee
18:20:26 <sesivany> bckurera: how?
18:20:26 <cwickert> sorry, telephone
18:21:15 <cwickert> sesivany: the problem we have with PayPal is that the receipient has to pay the fees
18:21:21 <cwickert> and you always loose a little
18:21:23 <tuanta> we can refer https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/paypal-fees for PayPal fees
18:21:37 <cwickert> while this isn't a problem for smaller sums, for lager amounts it is
18:21:48 <cwickert> If you loose like 30 EUR it just sucks
18:21:54 <bckurera> sesivany,  it is a flat charge, can be calculated n added as a standard fee, if we need a receipt we can use the email we are getting
18:22:03 <tuanta> I see this information: Debit/Credit card fee:
18:22:04 <tuanta> 2.9% of total amount sent plus $0.30 per transaction (the sender decides who pays this fee).
18:22:04 <sesivany> cwickert: then the wire transfers may help.
18:22:08 <cwickert> and with a corporate account this is not a problem.
18:22:37 <cwickert> sesivany: I know they were looking into corporate accounts, finance is ok with it but legal is not, as the CC holders are no employees of RH
18:23:01 <sesivany> so the plan is to go to wire transfers and corporate accounts, that would solve most of our problems with reimbursements.
18:23:19 <cwickert> corporate accounts are not set in stone
18:23:25 <sesivany> cwickert: we can discuss this with rbergeron at FOSDEM.
18:23:29 <sesivany> cwickert: I know
18:23:31 <cwickert> ok
18:23:49 <bckurera> sesivany,  that is good, keep us updated
18:23:54 <sesivany> cwickert: but at least we know we want it and we'll demand it :)
18:24:00 <aeperezt> right
18:24:48 <tuanta> should mark this as a new action?
18:25:55 <sesivany> #action sesivany and cwickert to talk to rbergeron about methods of reimbursement
18:26:15 <sesivany> #topic openfloor
18:26:50 * cwickert has nothing on his mind
18:27:17 <sesivany> I just want to say that I'll be on plane about this time next week.
18:27:37 <sesivany> so if someone else can take the chairing I'll be very happy :)
18:27:45 <tuanta> just notice that APAC FY2014 budget draft has been merged into the original one at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Budget#Fiscal_Year_2014
18:27:49 <sesivany> probably herlo should
18:28:18 <tuanta> +1 herlo. he's vice chair
18:28:20 * herlo can likely do so, but will need help getting the meeting started
18:28:43 <tuanta> ok, I can do this
18:28:56 <sesivany> ok, are we done for today?
18:29:10 <aeperezt> think so
18:29:57 * tuanta will start the next meeting on time if herlo is late
18:30:07 <sesivany> ok, thank you, everyone, for coming! And have a good meeting next Mon! I'll read the log.
18:30:15 <sesivany> #endmeeting