17:01:27 #startmeeting FAmSCo 2013-02-25 17:01:27 Meeting started Mon Feb 25 17:01:27 2013 UTC. The chair is cwickert. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:01:27 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:01:33 #meetingname famsco 17:01:33 The meeting name has been set to 'famsco' 17:01:41 #topic Roll call 17:01:47 .fas cwickert 17:01:47 cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' 17:02:04 .fas tuanta 17:02:04 tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' 17:02:08 fas .aeperezt 17:02:16 .fas aeperezt 17:02:16 aeperezt: aeperezt 'Alejandro Perez' 17:02:36 .fas williamjmorenor 17:02:36 viperboy001: williamjmorenor 'William Moreno' 17:02:43 .fas wporta 17:02:43 wporta: wporta 'Wilfredo Porta' 17:02:45 .fas alexove 17:02:46 alexove: alexove 'Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis' 17:02:52 is the timing right or is the meeting suppposed to be in an hour? 17:02:55 I am ambassador at nicaragua 17:03:16 cwickert, it is on time 17:03:18 ok 17:03:24 * cwickert is confused 17:04:02 nb nb_ ping 17:04:22 * cwickert counts only 3 FAmSCo members 17:04:27 cwickert, think all people that is here for the Fudcon Latam review is here so 17:04:30 right 17:04:42 ping bckurera 17:04:43 Herlo send appologies on the famsco list 17:05:14 hi folks 17:05:56 #info Clint sent regrets and cannot attend, Jiri is probably not coming either. He worked hard for the Red Hat Developer Conference and took a day of today 17:06:20 #info present: aeperezt bckurera cwickert tuanta 17:06:29 #topic Announcements 17:06:33 any announcements? 17:07:00 * tuanta got nothing 17:07:19 cwickert, nothing here 17:07:22 info: Red Hat developer conference took place last weekend, it was a very good event with ~600 developers and tons of talks 17:07:37 * cwickert quickly looks at the agenda 17:07:51 and cwickert: you was there? 17:07:51 #link https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/report/9 17:08:01 tuanta: yes 17:08:08 cool :) 17:08:34 ok, I see nothing urgent on the agenda 17:08:49 but tuanta brought up the question of the APAC credit card again 17:09:03 I think we first should discuss the LATAM FUDCon 17:09:10 +1 17:09:31 it's higher priority 17:10:02 viperboy001, wporta, alexove thanks for coming. I guess you are responsible for one or the other FUDCon bid, right? 17:10:21 yes 17:10:26 we are from Nicaragua 17:10:30 yes 17:10:32 viperboy001 and me 17:10:35 all from Nicaragua? 17:10:37 yes 17:10:42 I'm from Cusco 17:10:56 * cwickert looks for the mail with the bids... 17:11:19 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Cusco_2013 17:11:25 here is the Nicaragua ´s proposal 17:11:26 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Managua_2013 17:11:26 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Managua_2013 17:11:48 ok, thanks for the links 17:12:20 ok, everybody, please have a look at the wiki pages if you haven't yett 17:12:22 yet* 17:13:09 really interesting and attractive bids, good work guys :) 17:13:15 indeed 17:13:25 thanks 17:13:33 there is a lot of effort in these pages, thanks a lot everybody 17:14:22 one minor thing: when you copy maps, please don't use Google Maps. We cannot upload content from Google to the wiki. Better use Open Streetmap 17:15:28 cwickert: because of licensing issues? 17:15:51 yes 17:15:58 Ok taken 17:18:11 both bids are really impressive 17:18:17 we should take a look at the summary here: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2013-February/001261.html 17:18:23 thanks aeperezt 17:18:29 I think Neville will not be able to join this meeting 17:19:19 thanks for the link, tuanta 17:19:24 IIRC, FUDCon held in Nicaragua once? 17:19:57 tuanta, no 17:20:06 aeperezt: can you tell us a little more about the travel costs? I am having a hard time comparing them when they are based on a different number of attendees 17:20:25 cwickert, yes 17:20:50 cwickert, Nicaragua has expensive travel cost for people from south of latam 17:21:05 countries like Chile, Argentina 17:21:18 and brasil 17:21:42 the advantange is on the countries near by that can travel by bus 17:22:05 for those countries travel cost can be around 100 dls 17:22:24 that is not the same in Peru? 17:22:40 so Honduras, Guatemala, Costa Rica, Belize and El Salvador are close by 17:23:00 tuanta, Peru is located more on the souht 17:23:30 and has advantages on air fair for countries like Chile Argentina, Paraguay 17:23:35 yes, I just have found it on the map :) 17:23:41 Bolivia to :-) 17:23:46 Brasil 17:23:57 hi 17:24:02 sorry i am late 17:24:09 np nb :) 17:24:14 but for countries on the North like Panama, Mexico, Nicaragua it will be expensive 17:24:29 so it is hard to put it all in the balance 17:24:38 cwickert: you forgot to changed the meeting topic? 17:24:43 Previus Fudcons 17:24:46 on Latam 17:24:56 #topic FUDCon LATAM bids 17:25:06 #chair nb tuanta aeperezt bckurera 17:25:06 Current chairs: aeperezt bckurera cwickert nb tuanta 17:25:18 has manage to bring people from Argentina, Brazil, Nicaragua 17:25:24 and Peru 17:25:52 yes, I see. We have got a big community there 17:26:02 so we manage to bring at least one person from all south and North of latam 17:26:28 yes Nicaragua is alocted at Central America 17:26:38 we think in a local event 17:27:17 so, I am having a hard time making a decision 17:27:23 sory I mean in a event with atendance of central america and mexico colaborators 17:27:42 I mean, we are not here to make a decision anyway, instead we make a recommendation 17:27:52 the ultimate decision is up to the FPL 17:27:58 +1 17:28:12 I think both places work 17:28:18 and both have good teams 17:28:29 * yn1v was having internet issues 17:28:36 and so on... the thing that makes it difficult to decide is: 17:28:38 cwickert, it is dificult with two excelent bids and the locations has chalanges that cannot be approched as easy 17:28:39 1. Costs 17:28:42 2. Travel 17:28:46 withing a budget 17:28:58 aeperezt: +1 17:29:08 don't worry about the budget for now 17:29:18 we should have around USD 15k 17:29:32 cwickert, the only thing I worried about Nicaragua is that it has the disavantage of paying for the location 17:29:46 that is and advantage for Cusco 17:29:49 it's not about having the lowest price, it's about making the best of it 17:30:37 what we pay for location is a latam member that will not be able to be sponsor 17:30:51 viperboy001, the university will help with that? 17:30:52 as for the costs, I would like to ask the event owners to change their budgets that it is based on the same number of attendees, at least for lodging 17:31:05 yes 17:31:15 but we can not include it in the bid 17:31:18 because 17:31:34 there is going to be a especial sponsoring 17:31:54 :( 17:32:05 seems they all have internet issues 17:32:14 yes.. but I'm still in. 17:32:15 yes, both propose 15 double rooms 17:32:26 if that is so it balance a little the bid 17:32:49 Cusco page reads "Lodging (double rooms for 10 people for 4 days)" 17:33:02 that makes me wonder if it is only 5 rooms 17:33:28 sorry, it's different in aeperezt's summary 17:33:29 Managua on the other hand have 15 17:34:04 that's right 17:34:08 cwickert, on the sumary email I did it with 15 doble room 17:34:15 so we have almost same numbers 17:34:43 that makes it even harder then ;) 17:34:49 if the 15 rooms are booked we can have a free saloon during night hours in the hotel 17:35:11 one of our most important goal is to sponsor to bring as many people as possible, right? 17:35:14 ok, lets say the costs are not that much different, then the other important issue is travel 17:35:21 tuanta: big +1 17:35:29 we should bring as many people together 17:36:10 where was the last FUDCon? was it more in the south or in central america? 17:36:11 so, first, we should equalize attendees in both bids, e.g. 20 (or 30) people 17:36:33 I think it was in Venezuela.. south 17:37:01 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Valencia_2012 17:37:21 Venezuela is in the middle of Nicaragua and Peru, more difficult :) 17:37:39 Venezuela is in South America, Nicaragua is in Central America. 17:37:51 Venezuela is closer to Peru than Nicaragua 17:38:13 aeperezt: did the LATAM community already discuss this? 17:38:44 right 17:38:57 I have something to say 17:39:07 yn1v_neville: go ahead 17:39:15 sorry I had some problems witj network 17:39:23 But I am on my phone. So be patient 17:39:29 wporta, Venezuela bring balance between the people that go from central and south 17:40:01 Saturday tjere was a meetig named fedora school 17:40:35 there were 4 from Central America and 4 from south latam there where more as they pay for their tickets 17:40:36 We are sharing knowledge to prepare conyrobutors 17:41:03 sponsors by fedora was balance 17:41:17 Lot of people want fudcon. But not every one is commited to work 17:41:47 I would like to switch from fudcom to fad 17:41:50 yes yn1v_neville is right 17:42:13 And make a new bid for fudcom 2014 17:42:40 I see life is much easier now 17:42:59 our comunity like the idea of Fedore event but when we asked about colaborate with something big we had a poor feedback 17:43:02 :( 17:43:14 yn1v_neville, if that is the case then Fudcon Cusco 17:43:15 yn1v_neville: thanks 17:43:37 if you retract the bid 17:43:48 thanks for the information 17:43:57 but there is very interest in collaborate with Fedora 17:44:21 Well I am a bit disapointed because I felt tbere was more comitmemt 17:44:39 yn1v_neville: I can feel your disappointment 17:45:00 but I think it's better to go for Cusco then 17:45:07 I hope fedora school change that 17:45:11 cwickert, right 17:45:19 they already have sponsors, this should make things easier 17:45:26 yn1v_neville, sorry the community did not commit to it 17:45:30 yn1v_neville: some of you should be invited to Cusco, at least for better preparation next year 17:45:52 Yes I want to take the oportunity to go ci c 17:45:52 tuanta, that will be my recomendation 17:45:53 ok, is everybody fine with FAmSCo recommending Cusco then? 17:46:03 yes 17:46:04 +1 17:46:07 +1 17:46:12 +1 17:46:14 Cuzco and then machupichu 17:46:17 nb, bckurera? 17:46:24 ;-) 17:46:29 ;) 17:46:29 :) 17:46:34 I also agree with that if the situation is like that on contribution 17:46:35 +1 17:46:44 * cwickert counts +4 17:46:59 we are going to try to prepare a good proposal for next year 17:47:28 viperboy001: +1. Thanks for all your efforts 17:47:31 yes, we will start working harder in making our local comunity stronger and find more contributors. 17:47:34 #info FAmSCo recommends Cusco for hosting the FUDCon LATAM 2012 17:47:45 maybe next year we can have even more sponsors. 17:47:49 2012? 17:47:50 at this year we are goin to be focused on a FAD 17:47:53 cwickert: 2013 17:47:55 #undo 17:47:55 Removing item from minutes: 17:47:58 #info FAmSCo recommends Cusco for hosting the FUDCon LATAM 2013 17:48:13 tuanta: yn1v_neville was working hard to on the proposal 17:48:25 viperboy001 : The proposal is almost great but we need people to work on, that is the hardest but the best part :) 17:48:38 viperboy001: yes, I meant all of you 17:48:38 #info FAmSCo dedicates to supporting the efforts of yn1v_neville for a FAD 17:48:49 yes, Nicaragua cominity want to thanks yn1v_neville for his hard work on the bid 17:49:00 +1 17:49:06 yes thank yn1v_neville 17:49:10 yn1v_neville: if you need anything for your event or for Fedora School, just let us know. we will support you whenever we can 17:49:25 viperboy001, wporta, yn1v_neville: thanks a lot for everything 17:49:29 +1 17:49:32 :) 17:49:33 William also helped a lot 17:49:36 I know how important active people are 17:49:48 so if you need anything to improve your community, let us know 17:50:00 well i like to share the Fedora Nicaragua wiki page 17:50:00 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraNi 17:50:21 you will find links to the fedora school event 17:50:23 and when you submit a bid next year, you surely have an advantage over other bids 17:50:35 we sure hope so 17:50:37 :p 17:50:45 Ok I will let you all if something is needed 17:50:45 viperboy001: really cool 17:50:46 yes it is :) 17:50:59 #info support the Fedora School events of the Fedora Nicaragua community. More info at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraNi 17:51:05 ok, I think that's all 17:51:15 the final decision will be made by the FPL 17:51:40 but usually she agrees and will only speak up if she feels something went wrong 17:51:52 alexove: this means you can start working NOW :) 17:52:00 if you need anything, just let us know 17:52:22 pleae subscribe to the fudcn-planning mailing list if you haven't already 17:52:29 s/pleae/please 17:52:32 alexove: we all support you 17:52:35 anything else on this? 17:52:45 +1 cusco 17:52:53 * tuanta has nothing 17:53:02 Congrats to cuzco-peru team 17:53:05 nothing form me 17:53:12 congrast to Peru. 17:53:15 yes congrats 17:53:18 :) 17:53:23 thank you very much friends, people eager to work here 17:53:46 * nb wonders if there has been any update on superfudcon? 17:53:49 or on budget status? 17:54:02 oh, we are not on open floor yet, sorry 17:54:30 yn1v_neville: wporta can join #fedorani channle? 17:55:11 #topic RH Community Credit Card holder for APAC 17:55:21 .famsco https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/333 17:55:21 https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/333 17:55:25 viperboy001: sure 17:55:33 .famsco 333 17:55:33 https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/333 17:55:37 that's better 17:56:11 cwickert: bckurera just sent a notice to the Ambassadors list and got response from jsimon 17:56:31 I know 17:56:31 wp 17:56:31 meeting keyword just removed 17:56:40 why? 17:57:12 I do not see any urgent things to discuss 17:57:13 regards to all, leving this channel 17:57:25 maybe, bckurera have something? 17:57:43 Nothing much still the request is with RH fianace 17:57:43 in long term we need a credit card in APAC 17:58:00 ok, lets back up for a moment 17:58:09 who made this request? 17:58:11 yes, but you know, the current status is stuck at RH finance 17:58:28 Robyn is managing it 17:58:45 cwickert : Robyn 17:58:49 that was not my question 17:58:56 and you should wait (and sometimes ping Robyn), I think 17:58:57 who made this decision? 17:59:33 refer to FAmSCo #333 17:59:47 AFAIK, Red Hat reserved the right to make this kind of decisions 18:00:09 since those credit cards are belong to them 18:00:47 tuanta : Yes it is, but we need a RH CC holder for APAC and we are waiting 18:00:53 so, I am having a problem with this request 18:01:14 usually, it does not work this way that you just file a ticket and ask for a credit card 18:01:34 instead we ask people we trust if they are willing to do this 18:01:44 cwickert, +1 18:01:50 it's more like the mentors, you don't apply, but you get asked 18:02:16 bckurera: I know you had the best intentions when you filed that ticket 18:02:20 cwickert: bckurera would like to take this responsibility 18:02:22 #proposal ask bckurera to be cc holder :) 18:02:30 -1 18:02:48 please don't take this personally bckurera 18:02:52 ? 18:03:18 cwickert: ok, please explain all. waiting to hear from you all 18:03:35 A credit card holder needs to be 100% reliable, and I don't think bckurera is 18:04:06 we had this thing with the event he said he organized and that did not take place 18:04:25 so, do you think of anyone in APAC? 18:04:28 yes 18:04:31 Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail 18:04:34 I just need some one from APAC to have CC 18:04:45 cool idea 18:04:46 That is why I made the ticket and seek for th eapproval 18:05:20 I have no objection, feel free 18:05:21 you can even remember his full name :) 18:05:28 bckurera: I know, I think you have good intentions 18:05:45 bckurera: I think you are sometimes too ambitious and promise too much 18:06:00 and when you cannot keep a promise, it is very hard to admit it 18:06:08 you are doing a great job 18:06:25 just continue with it and people will appreciate it 18:06:29 if so, I got some others in my mind: David, Ankur and Heherson 18:06:39 just for backup for KageSenshi 18:06:48 the reason why I want to propose KageSenshi is that he already managed a FUDCon budget 18:07:00 and it was a pretty damn good FUDCon 18:07:08 +1 18:07:22 he does a lot of stuff, but only rarely asks for money 18:07:27 because he has sonsors 18:07:40 just like this weekend, they had an OpenShift FAD 18:07:49 all paid by sponsors 18:07:55 ok, I wil ask him 18:08:21 It is good if some one is willing to take that responsibility I have no objection 18:08:30 #action cwickert to ask KageSenshi if he is willing to manage a credit card 18:08:35 But after all we need to have a CC holder for APAC that matter. 18:08:41 cwickert, +1 18:08:55 cwickert: yes, you should send an email to ask him (I can also do that if needed) 18:09:01 bckurera: yes, but I think you and Kagesenshi can work together just fine 18:09:22 tuanta: will do that. please add your nominations to the ticket, too 18:09:35 cwickert : yes will see it with Izar 18:10:02 #action cwickert to send an email to KageSenshi to ask him to hold the community card for APAC 18:10:17 cwickert: I will do 18:10:29 the same ticket #333, right? 18:10:50 * nb thinks this is bikeshedding. i think either bckurera or kagesenshi would be fine 18:10:59 and i thought famsco already approved bckurera 18:11:24 according to ticket 333 we did on 2012-11-12 18:11:58 Oh, I missed that 18:12:32 but we can change that if we see a better choice 18:12:40 Yes but i would like if anyone can get the responsibility 18:12:58 I m fine with that :) 18:13:44 * nb does not really care if it is bckurera or KageSenshi but I don't see a need to revoke our approval of bckurera and have to go back to rh finance and change what we already requested 18:14:00 AFAIK nothing has really happened yet 18:14:28 bckurera: yes, I just want to have a trusted community card holder for APAC asap like you 18:14:32 bckurera: did they already ask you for personal details or sent you paperwork to sign? 18:14:59 No I dont 18:15:24 ok, I will try to check the status with rbergeron 18:15:40 the ball is in Robyn now 18:16:06 First will finalize the person, and then let the Robyn know about it 18:16:26 I ll write Robyn regarding this and to hold the process for now 18:16:33 that would be good 18:16:35 bckurera, we need to know what step it is in. 18:17:03 ok, and I will ask Izhar asap 18:17:07 And I think if the process is already on the way we don't want to delay this any more 18:17:14 aeperezt: ack 18:17:25 aeperezt: but I don't think anything is on the way 18:17:37 Jiri is waiting for his card for over a year now 18:17:41 aeperezt : Will see I dont think it has gone far 18:17:45 and he even is a RH employee 18:17:46 ok, lets check with rbergeron 18:17:49 ack 18:17:56 I'll take care of this 18:18:03 anything eles about this? 18:18:07 cwickert, if he is RH employee I think approval will be faster 18:18:11 nothing 18:18:16 aeperezt: you wish :) 18:18:16 so that is a good poit 18:18:41 cwickert ; Since I start the process I think I need to discuss with Robyn 18:18:42 cwickert, may be I'm naibe about RH 18:18:42 do we have anybody from RH? 18:19:00 if the person works for RH, things are way easier 18:19:05 Harish :) 18:19:08 :( 18:19:11 :( 18:19:31 we first of all need somebody who is responsive, and Harish is not 18:19:58 so does anybody know somebody who is active in the ambassadors, from APAC and does work for RH? 18:20:00 we may have someone in India, right? 18:20:10 I think Rahul is no longer in India 18:20:18 :( 18:20:24 maybe Ankur? does he work for RH? 18:20:33 actually, no 18:20:59 he is a student right now 18:21:20 ok, then I have no idea 18:21:29 lets go with the candidates we had 18:21:36 +1 18:22:26 I'll ask Izhar and if that doesn't work out, we should think of the people that tuanta listed 18:22:35 tuanta: add them to the wiki please 18:22:42 anything else? 18:23:02 cwickert: which wiki page are you talking about? 18:23:02 doesn't seem so 18:23:10 sorry, ticket 18:23:15 ok, I see 18:23:21 #topic Open Floor 18:23:29 I think nb had some questions 18:23:41 one was about the SuperFUDCon 18:23:54 yes, I think it will take happen 18:24:13 at least that's what spot said earlier today when we had bearkfast 18:24:24 great! 18:24:32 it will probably be in summer, whatever that means 18:24:44 that means we are running out of time basically 18:25:01 but there is no decision and no budget for it yet 18:25:09 and that brings us to the next question 18:25:16 nothing new about the budget 18:25:24 at least not that I am aware off 18:25:53 IIRC Jiri said that RH is not yet done with their financial planning 18:26:00 I suggest we just spend money as planned 18:26:11 because the new fiscal year starts in 4 days 18:26:22 +1 18:26:28 +1 18:26:36 I'd rather spend too much than too little ;) 18:26:40 +1 18:26:47 ;) 18:27:05 * nb buys over 9,000 ponies 18:27:25 nb: APPROVED :D 18:27:28 :) 18:27:44 ok, I think that's it for today 18:27:53 +1 18:28:05 I just came home from Devconf and need to go for shopping now 18:28:13 * cwickert will close the meeting in 5 18:28:14 we should end the meeting now 18:28:15 4 18:28:16 3 18:28:18 2 18:28:19 1 18:28:22 #endmeeting