17:00:01 <sesivany> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2013-09-02
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17:00:03 <sesivany> #meetingname famsco
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17:00:13 <sesivany> #topic Roll call
17:00:20 <sesivany> .fas eischmann
17:00:20 <zodbot> sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
17:00:59 <robyduck> .fas robyduck
17:00:59 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
17:01:25 <sesivany> aeperezt: ping
17:01:34 <aeperezt> sesivany, pong
17:01:41 <aeperezt> .fas aeperezt
17:01:42 <zodbot> aeperezt: aeperezt 'Alejandro Perez' <alejandro.perez.torres@gmail.com>
17:02:52 <sesivany> Thank you, guys, for keeping the meetings happening when I was away.
17:03:04 <sesivany> just three of us today?
17:03:20 <robyduck> LoKoMurdoK: ping
17:04:04 <robyduck> sesivany: seems so
17:04:44 * sesivany is trying to catch up, read the logs of the last meetings briefly.
17:04:50 <aeperezt> sesivany, np
17:05:16 <sesivany> any important issues discussed while I wasn't here?
17:06:12 <aeperezt> no that I can recall
17:06:58 <sesivany> ok, let's start with this one...
17:07:08 <sesivany> #topic FUDCon LATAM 2013
17:07:17 <sesivany> aeperezt: is everything on trac?
17:07:27 <aeperezt> right
17:07:43 * LoKoMurdoK here
17:07:46 * LoKoMurdoK late sorry
17:07:49 <LoKoMurdoK> .fas lbazan
17:07:50 <zodbot> LoKoMurdoK: lbazan 'Luis Enrique Bazán De León' <bazanluis20@gmail.com>
17:08:31 <sesivany> aeperezt: did sponsored people get their flight tickets?
17:09:03 <aeperezt> sesivany, well I see that they started to work on the flight tickets this weekend
17:09:29 <aeperezt> and see that LoKoMurdoK has his so assuming the rest will be today or tomorrow
17:09:53 <sesivany> aeperezt: ok, late, but better than never.
17:10:32 <LoKoMurdoK> sesivany: +1
17:10:37 <sesivany> aeperezt: and what about the organization?
17:10:42 <aeperezt> sesivany, yeah
17:11:03 <aeperezt> sesivany, well that is all done as far as I know
17:11:11 <aeperezt> there is an issue about money on the site
17:11:29 <aeperezt> that I don't have any idea how it is going to be overcome
17:11:45 <sesivany> aeperezt: you mean money for the venue?
17:12:10 <aeperezt> sesivany, not to pay expenses that they have on the site
17:12:25 <aeperezt> it is complicated because cannot be pay with credit card
17:12:42 <aeperezt> and there is no way to send them money so they can pay them in advance
17:12:48 <aeperezt> or refund them
17:13:14 <aeperezt> it is not posible to transfer money via paypal to Peru
17:13:19 <LoKoMurdoK> Peru not accept paypal :(
17:13:24 <aeperezt> so the only way is wire transfer
17:13:27 <sesivany> hmm... that's a problem...
17:13:44 <aeperezt> so I think robyn will have to sort that one out
17:13:54 <aeperezt> I can help in that case
17:14:04 <sesivany> what about Western Union?
17:14:40 <sesivany> it's expensive, but if it can get the job done...
17:14:50 <LoKoMurdoK> sesivany: is possible to use Western?
17:15:26 <LoKoMurdoK> https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/450
17:16:16 <aeperezt> sesivany, that could be but as far as I understand the way they used before was that some one puts the money and ask the refund to RH
17:16:21 <sesivany> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/450
17:16:23 <aeperezt> so I think that is a no go
17:16:47 <sesivany> aeperezt: Western Union?
17:16:59 <aeperezt> sesivany, yes
17:17:16 <sesivany> aeperezt: and there is no Red Hat office in Peru, right?
17:17:23 <aeperezt> sesivany, righ
17:17:39 <sesivany> aeperezt: how much money are we talking about?
17:18:51 <LoKoMurdoK> sesivany: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Cusco_2013_budget
17:18:56 <LoKoMurdoK> 3161,48
17:19:02 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: right?
17:19:06 <aeperezt> sesivany, LoKoMurdoK has answer
17:19:23 <sesivany> and it all needs to be paid in advance?
17:19:54 <aeperezt> sesivany, right they need to buy them or have them to be produce
17:20:03 <aeperezt> that is why it needs to be done in advance
17:21:32 <sesivany> right now the only possible solution I see now is that someone physically brings the money to Peru. Like Robyn flying there. But 3 grand is a lot of money to bring with you.
17:21:53 <aeperezt> sesivany, right
17:22:38 <sesivany> here we don't usually pay in advance. They invoice us and we have to pay in 2 weeks. But it's Red Hat here. A large company which is trustworth.
17:22:51 <sesivany> it's complicated for individuals.
17:23:21 <aeperezt> sesivany, right
17:23:36 <aeperezt> sesivany, as individuals is more complicated
17:23:55 <sesivany> have you tried to ask someone from LATAM offices of Red Hat if they could help? I think the closest ones are in Colombia and Brazil.
17:23:57 <aeperezt> to me the way to do it is to do wire tranfer
17:24:12 <aeperezt> sesivany, closes one is on Chile but
17:24:12 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: +1
17:24:28 <aeperezt> LoKoMurdoK,
17:24:33 <aeperezt> now that I think on that
17:24:52 <aeperezt> LoKoMurdoK, can you check if they can pay that on monday
17:25:31 <aeperezt> so maybe we can ask roby to do a wire transfer to you and you and the peoplo that travel the 22 can take the money with you
17:25:34 <sesivany> I can't think of any easy solution. I'm not sure if the wiretransfer is possible.
17:25:40 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: ok
17:26:12 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: give me few seconds to confirm.
17:26:15 <aeperezt> LoKoMurdoK, unless there is a way to get the money to a Peruvian
17:26:21 * LoKoMurdoK brb
17:27:25 <sesivany> #info FUDCon LATAM: sponsored people are getting their tickets, organization is on track, but we need to figure out how to transfer money to organizers to pay necessary expenses.
17:28:59 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: I can pay the hotel
17:29:02 <LoKoMurdoK> 22nd
17:29:17 <LoKoMurdoK> tshirts and others nope.
17:29:51 <sesivany> aeperezt: will you ask Robyn about possibilities?
17:30:25 <aeperezt> there is a peruvian ambassador that is not going to fudcon
17:30:39 <aeperezt> but he is has a bank account
17:30:48 <aeperezt> maybe we can work that out with him
17:31:04 <aeperezt> He is willing to help
17:31:20 <aeperezt> but there are small details to work around as he is on Lima not Cusco
17:31:31 <aeperezt> so let me see we can work out
17:31:38 <aeperezt> but wire transfer can work
17:31:44 <aeperezt> trought him
17:32:23 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: alex have bank account (remember other conversation)...
17:32:39 <sesivany> #action aeperezt to look into the wire transfer option
17:33:43 <sesivany> ok, I don't think can solve it right now.
17:33:53 <sesivany> let's move on, shall we?
17:34:22 <robyduck> yes
17:34:41 <LoKoMurdoK> yes!
17:35:10 <sesivany> ok...
17:35:23 <sesivany> #topic Fedora events in Fedoracal
17:35:33 <sesivany> I don't know if you discussed this before.
17:35:49 <sesivany> I read a proposal to put all Fedora-related events to Fedoracal.
17:35:52 <robyduck> last meeting
17:36:04 <sesivany> robyduck: ah, ok then.
17:36:10 <robyduck> cwickert has already updated the wiki guidelines
17:36:28 <sesivany> robyduck: great, there is nothing to discuss then :)
17:37:04 <sesivany> robyduck: have you made any progress with the community&events page with cmpahar?
17:37:45 <robyduck> sesivany: not yet, I didn't had the time to get it running on Openshift
17:38:17 <robyduck> but files are there, just need to check them out the right way
17:38:55 <sesivany> robyduck: ok, I'm really looking forward to it. It's something we desperately need.
17:39:23 <robyduck> yes sesivany I agree
17:41:12 <sesivany> #info the Fedora events in Fedoracal has already been discussed.
17:41:21 <sesivany> let's move on.
17:41:34 <sesivany> #topic FAmA issues
17:41:57 <robyduck> That's a nice topic
17:42:11 <sesivany> I saw it just briefly, but I registered there were some problems with the FA administration.
17:42:31 <sesivany> tuanta apparently didn't receive the credentials to do his new role.
17:43:16 <robyduck> sad that he isn't here today
17:43:31 <sesivany> I did receive them, but I had a problem with my PGP subkey and had to revoke it and couldn't open the encrypted mail then.
17:44:12 <sesivany> I was quite busy and let it go because I thought that tuanta was the primary receiver of these credentials.
17:44:18 <sesivany> that I was just a backup.
17:44:43 <robyduck> there is also no upcleaning of people under mentoring who pass the deadline or 4 weeks
17:45:25 <sesivany> we have to go through this with Tuanta.
17:45:26 <robyduck> it's just more work for him, so I think we should really talk about having mentors sponsoring their mentorees and also cleaning them if they don't hear anything from them
17:45:36 <robyduck> yep sesivany
17:45:37 <sesivany> there is apparently something that doesn't work.
17:46:21 <sesivany> I haven't had a single candidate for last 3 months. Before that, there was at least one every month.
17:47:31 <robyduck> I think it's because herlo managed it all alone and was aware about all the changes he introduced
17:47:51 <robyduck> it's not so easy pass all this informations to another person
17:48:20 <sesivany> yeah, but as I said, it's difficult to discuss it without the most important person - tuanta.
17:48:39 <sesivany> let's leave it for the next meeting or for the mailing list.
17:48:44 <robyduck> ok
17:48:57 <sesivany> I'm all for streamlining the process as much as possible.
17:49:27 <sesivany> because the core of the mentoring is not in formalities, but in working with and talking to the candidate.
17:50:51 <robyduck> we can get some ideas of how to improve this also on the mentors ML
17:51:29 <sesivany> #info tuanta is not here today, let's leave the discussion for the next meeting or famsco/fama mailing list.
17:52:02 <sesivany> ok, do you have anything else to discuss today?
17:52:13 * sesivany is checking the famsco trac for new tickets...
17:52:52 * sesivany doesn't see any new ticket.
17:53:08 <sesivany> #topic Openfloor
17:53:43 <sesivany> don't forget that we should hold another budget meeting because another quarter is over.
17:54:07 <aeperezt> sesivany, we Latam is ready with that
17:54:53 <sesivany> #action sesivany to contact rsuehle and FAmNA treasurer when they can attend the meeting.
17:55:15 <sesivany> we should also slowly start thinking about budget planning for the next year.
17:55:25 <sesivany> December is the ideal time for that.
17:55:40 <robyduck1> +1
17:55:59 <aeperezt> sesivany, we start addression that on Latam on last meeting
17:56:05 <sesivany> in EMEA, we're going to have a FAD at the beginning of Dec.
17:56:15 <robyduck1> leaders of the countries who attend the FAD should prepare a plan for 2014, IMHO
17:57:55 <sesivany> ok, is that all for today?
17:58:06 <aeperezt> sesivany, think yes
17:58:09 <sesivany> if there is nothing else, I'll end the meeting.
17:58:11 <LoKoMurdoK> yes!
17:59:03 <sesivany> ok, thank you for attending today and meet you next week!
17:59:10 <sesivany> #endmeeting